The second would mean nuclear fission explosion ... although that would make it a really good Nuclear reactor material.
... no it... wouldn't? Fission does not work like that. Firstly, if you cut an oxygen atom in half... well, actually, if you cut an oxygen or nitrogen atom in half you actually lose energy and are more likely to cause freezing than explosions, because it's below iron in the periodic table and thus the exothermic reaction is fusion, not fission. Or to put it in simpler terminology: for atoms lighter than iron, it takes energy to split it and you get energy by fusing it. For atoms heavier than iron; vice versa. This is why stars fuse hydrogen into heavier elements, but can't create anything heavier than iron.

Secondly, even if you cut one uranium atom in half... nothing happens. Yes, atomic energy is denser than any other form, but atoms are very small. You need to split a great many of them to spark runaway fission or produce any noticeable amount of energy. Cutting air wouldn't do it - you'd have to cut a rod of uranium in half. And frankly, if you have that much uranium in one place, it's close to critical mass anyway.

And thirdly, fission does not, on its own, explode. The reactors are what explode. Fission itself doesn't give off "explodium energy", it gives off heat, and since fissionable material does not hold similar properties to petrol or nitroglycerine; there is nothing to explode. A critical fission meltdown is exactly what it says on the tin - the uranium fuel rods melt down because they're giving off so much heat the metal melts, and then proceed to melt through the bottom of the chamber, flash-convert the coolant into steam (that is what makes the reactor explode, and the steam cloud scatters radioactive fallout all over the region from bits of irradiated material carried along with it) and then keeps going. The slag heap in Chernobyl, somewhere in the basement? It's still semi-molten, because even thirty years later; enough heat is being produced inside from fission to keep it from solidifying (it's also giving off such high levels of radiation that standing near it for ten minutes will make you very ill, and when it was still hot, five minutes was fatal).
 
... no it... wouldn't? Fission does not work like that. Firstly, if you cut an oxygen atom in half... well, actually, if you cut an oxygen or nitrogen atom in half you actually lose energy and are more likely to cause freezing than explosions, because it's below iron in the periodic table and thus the exothermic reaction is fusion, not fission. Or to put it in simpler terminology: for atoms lighter than iron, it takes energy to split it and you get energy by fusing it. For atoms heavier than iron; vice versa. This is why stars fuse hydrogen into heavier elements, but can't create anything heavier than iron.
A cryosword that freezes itself by splitting atoms in the air actually sounds kind of neat. Well, if not for the fact that cooling iron (and probably several other metals) makes it more brittle. For that matter, splitting oxygen and nitrogen molecules probably consumes energy as well, although perhaps not as much as splitting atoms would.

On a side note, I seem to recall that iron consumes energy when participating in both fusion and fission (which is part of why there's so much of it).
 
... no it... wouldn't? Fission does not work like that. Firstly, if you cut an oxygen atom in half... well, actually, if you cut an oxygen or nitrogen atom in half you actually lose energy and are more likely to cause freezing than explosions, because it's below iron in the periodic table and thus the exothermic reaction is fusion, not fission. Or to put it in simpler terminology: for atoms lighter than iron, it takes energy to split it and you get energy by fusing it. For atoms heavier than iron; vice versa. This is why stars fuse hydrogen into heavier elements, but can't create anything heavier than iron.

Secondly, even if you cut one uranium atom in half... nothing happens. Yes, atomic energy is denser than any other form, but atoms are very small. You need to split a great many of them to spark runaway fission or produce any noticeable amount of energy. Cutting air wouldn't do it - you'd have to cut a rod of uranium in half. And frankly, if you have that much uranium in one place, it's close to critical mass anyway.

And thirdly, fission does not, on its own, explode. The reactors are what explode. Fission itself doesn't give off "explodium energy", it gives off heat, and since fissionable material does not hold similar properties to petrol or nitroglycerine; there is nothing to explode. A critical fission meltdown is exactly what it says on the tin - the uranium fuel rods melt down because they're giving off so much heat the metal melts, and then proceed to melt through the bottom of the chamber, flash-convert the coolant into steam (that is what makes the reactor explode, and the steam cloud scatters radioactive fallout all over the region from bits of irradiated material carried along with it) and then keeps going. The slag heap in Chernobyl, somewhere in the basement? It's still semi-molten, because even thirty years later; enough heat is being produced inside from fission to keep it from solidifying (it's also giving off such high levels of radiation that standing near it for ten minutes will make you very ill, and when it was still hot, five minutes was fatal).

Err good luck finding a sword that only cuts atoms one at a time?

But yes it would be much less energetic than a fission bomb.

And I meant cutting atoms of the things it cut, not air per se. I recognize that I was not thinking about the air when I wrote that. Maybe it gets really cold, and then turns really hot ( plus radiation ) while cutting other swords and armor?

And I'm really discussing an hypothetical atom splitting sword semi-seriously?

Sorry for the delay, dropping the theme.
 
Sorry for the delay, dropping the theme.

Look I am no angel. I have felt and even given in to the temptation to get the last word by placing a message like this at the end of my statement. However I have ever tried to avoid it and have often gone back and edited such out. Why? because SELF moderation is the best form of moderation. you have realized you are part of a derail. Good! now rather than continuing it, and placing the onus on anyone tempted to respond to you, why not simply end the derail right then and there?
 
... no it... wouldn't? Fission does not work like that. Firstly, if you cut an oxygen atom in half... well, actually, if you cut an oxygen or nitrogen atom in half you actually lose energy and are more likely to cause freezing than explosions, because it's below iron in the periodic table and thus the exothermic reaction is fusion, not fission. Or to put it in simpler terminology: for atoms lighter than iron, it takes energy to split it and you get energy by fusing it. For atoms heavier than iron; vice versa. This is why stars fuse hydrogen into heavier elements, but can't create anything heavier than iron.

This is incorrect. Well, maybe, who actually knows, because a magic sword that somehow cuts atoms is probably doing precisely whatever the fuck it feels like. However, we'll just asume the whole process is vaguely wrapped up in normal physics for the sake of actually being able to have a discussion.

The energy to perform fusion would not be retroactively extracted from the thermal state of the environment, it would be applied by the sword itself to produce the nuclear separation in the first place. Which means instant high energy particle soup, agitated nuclear shells, and all the good stuff(even if we assume the sword is nigh perfectly efficient, a lot of atoms are still going from 'sphere' to 'hemisphere' and that is going to make them deeply unhappy). I'm not sure how bright this would actually be(How much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?), so I can't say whether it would amount to a microcosm of a nuclear explosion, but there'd probably be a hell of a lot of gamma rays floating about making people miserable.

Gamma rays do many things, but making things colder is generally not one of them.

Secondly, even if you cut one uranium atom in half... nothing happens. Yes, atomic energy is denser than any other form, but atoms are very small. You need to split a great many of them to spark runaway fission or produce any noticeable amount of energy. Cutting air wouldn't do it - you'd have to cut a rod of uranium in half. And frankly, if you have that much uranium in one place, it's close to critical mass anyway.

A sword that swipes through the air and only hits one atom is quite something. Then again, a sword that cuts through nuclear shells is also quite something. Nonsensical hypotheticals get a bit nihilistic if you stare at them too long.

Atoms might be really small, but they are generally so numerous you can rely on them bumping into each other in macroscopically significant quantities. Hence why the word "macroscopic" can even exist in the first place, because atoms actually bump into things quite reliably. Now, the nucleus is a lot smaller than the electrostatic shell, so it'd be hit a lot less often, but there's a hell of a lot of sword, a hell of a lot of air, and there is a hell of a lot of energy in the involved nuclei. So even relatively poor collision conditions are going to produce some pretty staggeringly dangerous results.

And thirdly, fission does not, on its own, explode. The reactors are what explode. Fission itself doesn't give off "explodium energy", it gives off heat, and since fissionable material does not hold similar properties to petrol or nitroglycerine; there is nothing to explode. A critical fission meltdown is exactly what it says on the tin - the uranium fuel rods melt down because they're giving off so much heat the metal melts, and then proceed to melt through the bottom of the chamber, flash-convert the coolant into steam (that is what makes the reactor explode, and the steam cloud scatters radioactive fallout all over the region from bits of irradiated material carried along with it) and then keeps going. The slag heap in Chernobyl, somewhere in the basement? It's still semi-molten, because even thirty years later; enough heat is being produced inside from fission to keep it from solidifying (it's also giving off such high levels of radiation that standing near it for ten minutes will make you very ill, and when it was still hot, five minutes was fatal).

This paragraph is just weird. By that technicality, nothing explodes. An explosion(that is, a pressure differential created by the expansion of a given material in a medium driven by the descent of said to a lower energy metastable state - thus releasing large quantities of work with which to make shit move) is always a secondary effect of a 'more primary' mechanism. Oddly enough though, in nuclear interactions, for once it's not actually temperature. The initial expansion phase of a nuclear event is driven by radiative expansion, in which the hypoethetical thermal flux of the excited medium goes largely unexpressed until the convective stage(which on the timescale of nuclear processes is an age after the actual nuclear reaction). It's still technically there, it's just not relevant, because it can't do anything yet.

More relevantly, in nuclear physics, temperature is more of a byproduct than it is primary energy. Most nuclear energy is derived from shell displacements of various sorts(from outright escapes to nucleons being bumped into unstable orbits), which mostly emit high energy X-rays and stuff when they settle(all sorts of other junk too, but I'm lazy so I'm pretending it's largely absent due to the lack of any sort of conventional instability). Which then go on to get absorbed by something and make it hot(because it's newfound energy isn't tied up in a peculiar nuclear state that cannot be expressed as thermal flux). Which is where the radiative expansion phase of a nuclear event comes from, the opacity of the air to gamma rays diminishes as it ionises, so as the initial gamma pulse moves through the air, it is absorbed, and makes it hot enough to itself emit gamma rays(which it is now transparent to) and a new layer of gamma ray excited air is produced. This process continues until the energy is dispersed enough the air becomes naturally transparent to the resulting light, you get your initial nuclear flash, eventually(entire milliseconds later IIRC) sonic separation occurs, the fireball's expansion drops below the speed of sound and it is momentarily dimmed by the highly opaque wall of air that just freed itself, the shockfront spreads and turns transparent and the fireball - briefly and counterintuitively reheated by the radiation trapped behind the momentarily opaque shockfront - flashes a second time(albeit vastly less impressively).

What this all essentially means is that you're pretty much right in your conclusion. A magic sword cutting atoms isn't going to look like a nuclear explosion, because nuclear explosions are incredibly bizarre and finicky things that require extraordinarily specific circumstances to occur. Your reasons why however are way off the mark. The sword cutting atoms would, due to all the rebounding nuclear shells and general upset caused by telling an approximate sphere of nucleons it is now a hemisphere(and it attempting to reconfigure back to being spherical, not to mention the cataclysmic energies involved in overestimating the requisite separation energy a smidge) is going to cause a hell of a lot of spontaneous emission of all sorts of nasty junk. Much of which is liable to be photons hard enough to be a vacuum frequency, causing gross incandescence of the blade(plausibly heating the air enough to be actively dangerous to the surroundings, albeit it'd still look nothing like an actual nuclear event, just a really odd fire).


In summary, a nuclear slicing blade is by any even remotely realistic(and boy do I take issues with that qualifier) description of it's behaviours, going to make a lot of things very hot and very bright. So much so it may well end up setting everybody in the vicinity on fire. It would, however, not be a kaboom. It'd be a perpetually fizzling mega-torch of oh-god-my-face-why. Which probably would make it a great power source. Assuming you could find something that could survive swinging it for long enough to make the process viable.

P.S. A nuclear explosion is rather distinct from something you'd want in a reactor. Just so we're clear here. A nuclear explosion uses supercriticality to induce a runaway nuclear reaction. Nuclear reactors are a long way from supercriticality, because supercriticality versus normal nuclear excitation is rather like the difference between normal combustion and attempting to run your car on C4.


EDIT: Actually, thinking about it. I had so much trouble internalising the hypothetical that it's possible our assumptions about the arbitrary cutting mechanism of the hypothetical blade fundamentally differ. I mean, is it some kind of sub nuclear taper('cutting' doesn't exist at this scale, but hey-ho magic)? Or some kind of arbitrary cutting edge separation mechanism of arbitrary area(because magic)? What is the defined viable collision dimensions at work here considering we're essentially talking about effectively carving apples by hitting them with a mountain range? So all the stuff about heat and light may not be even slightly valid, because there's so many different arbitrations about how it's achieving the separation.

I stand by the "it's not going to make things cold" though.
 
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The energy to perform fusion would not be retroactively extracted from the thermal state of the environment, it would be applied by the sword itself to produce the nuclear separation in the first place.
... fair point. Missed that. Though the point I was refuting stands; "cut atom with sword" ≠ "explosions".
A sword that swipes through the air and only hits one atom is quite something.
This, though, was bad phrasing on my part. My point was that air is not very dense. You aren't going to hit just one atom, no, but you aren't going to hit many, either. And the energy release from individual atoms is pathetic. The critical mass of uranium is about 5 kilograms of dense, unstable, tightly-packed metal. You are not going to cut that many atoms by swinging a sword through the atmosphere. Not even close.

Hmm. Actually, okay, instead of eyeballing it, let's do the maths. Since atmospheric density is about 2.7x1025​ molecules per m3​, if we assume that the sword - as something capable of cutting atoms - is a metre long and has a sweep length of... oh, say a metre and a half, generously, and that the cutting edge is effectively 2-dimensional and thus cuts any atom it encounters; we have a 1.0x1.5x10-8​m3​ cutting volume. The number of atoms in that volume will therefore be about 1.5x1017​. Which certainly seems like a lot! Since we're working on the atomic scale rather than the nuclear, we can basically ignore the 1/10000 chance that the blade will slice a nucleus in favour of looking at the electron binding energies. Total electron binding energy of a nitrogen atom is... oof, it's been a while since I did this, but I think 2534eV? Or 4.06x10-16​ joules.

Multiply by our number of molecules, and our terrible atom-cutting sword is generating a terrifying 61 joules of heat with every sweep. Why, it might even glow as brightly as the average household lightbulb.

There would be weird particle-level effects, admittedly, and I'm neglecting molecular binding energies (since it's slicing molecular oxygen, etc) and the 1 in 10000 atoms where it cuts the nucleus as well - though it's impossible to say how much energy those will give off since, again, splitting them is endothermic and so that sword has to provide the power, and fuck knows where that comes from or if it's enough to produce exotic radiation. At a guess, it would probably hew them into... I dunno, highly ionised beryllium and lithium on average, I guess, which would spit out a few gamma photons each as they stabilised. That's... what, something like 1011​ gamma photons with each swing, and gamma radiation from radioactive decay is generally around a few hundred keV a pop, so... maybe 80 microsieverts? And that's if you absorb all of it, when in reality it'll be going in all directions.

By comparison, the dose of radiation you get from your average banana is 0.1 microsieverts. So I think we're still pretty safe. Overall, my point stands - air just isn't dense enough to get any serious heat given off by cutting it apart. There aren't enough atoms, and the energy given off by each one is too pathetically minuscule to produce any serious power surges.

Though I will admit this is getting a wee bit off-topic now (and also my maths may be wrong; it's late and I'm tired). If you can see a flaw in my reasoning; PM me with it and we'll carry on there.
 
Given that atoms are, what, 99.9 continuing percent empty space, it seems to me, a sword that could cut atoms is mostly going to end up doing a great deal of ionization, and as such may be a rampantly inappropriate choice for fighting an electromaster.

Basically: Hitting (and thus splitting) atoms isn't the same as hitting (thus splitting) nuclei.
Of course that assumes the cutting edge is subatomic, and anything that doesn't get precisely hit by Heisenbergs razor is going to merely be deflected (and probably loose some electrons).

(EDIT: And, yah, mind works faster than eyes, didn't read Aleph above before writing.)
 
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Well, given that she considers everything boring and bemoans the fact that the dragons are all dead and is picking a fight with Mikoto because it sounds fun, that suggests she either a) is powerful enough that she finds it hard to track down a challenge and/or b) has a grossly inflated idea of her own capacities.

Unless you're goddamn Superman, picking fights with people who turn pocket change into artillery is not a sign of good decision making, yeah? But hey, maybe she can tank serious hits.
Truthfully, I'd be a bit suspect of anyone who defines their life solely by how much ass they can kick or how many fights they get in.
That isn't the person you send to retrieve high value individuals safely.
 
I wonder if certain classmate of 11111 have seen her being "kidnapped" by Touma.

She must thought the worse by now. Unless she followed them and can only think "WTF?" at the moment ...
 
Truthfully, I'd be a bit suspect of anyone who defines their life solely by how much ass they can kick or how many fights they get in.
That isn't the person you send to retrieve high value individuals safely.
She probably would have made a better distraction than escort, now that you mention it. If she had picked a fight somewhere else instead of next to her target, people would be drawn away.

But poor decision making on the part of teenagers handed super-powers makes sense to me.
 
She probably would have made a better distraction than escort, now that you mention it. If she had picked a fight somewhere else instead of next to her target, people would be drawn away.

Maybe qualified personnel are hard to come by? I have no idea what the magical hiring situation is in this 'verse.

But poor decision making on the part of teenagers handed super-powers makes sense to me.

No doubt. Which is why there must be a shortage of qualified magical labor, otherwise you'd think a seasoned pro would be sent for an mission like this.
 
Casual reminder that Stiyl (that is, Mr Fire Loving Readhead With A Barcode Tattoo) is canonically 14.

Hivemind is deliberately done with a lot of the inherent ridiculousness of the original series' set up fully played straight. That is why Touma is currently the only male in the area, with the others being a tsundere, an emotionless clone of aforementioned tsundere, a gothic lolita and a perky girl who's carrying a longsword and really wants to get into fight with the tsundere.

(If Yui's flatmates were here, you'd also have the moe shy big girl, the very short and pushy angry one, and the delinquent who has a dark past.)

To put it another way, both Science and Magic agree that sending teenagers on black ops missions is the most effective way to get the job done, so you should probably just accept it as an axiom for a broadly Original Flavour fic.
 
To put it another way, both Science and Magic agree that sending teenagers on black ops missions is the most effective way to get the job done, so you should probably just accept it as an axiom for a broadly Original Flavour fic.

All the adult Science and Magic types are using their Science and Magic powers to get wasted while they send kids out to handle business, aren't they? :p

Works for me though, it's also a better paradigm than somethingsomething bad magical hiring pool.
 
Honestly I tend to justify it with being powerful enough normal humans no matter the training and gear are irrelevant, tends to breed weird psyches. Seriously give anyone that power and they will get weird.

Sadly, child soldiers in real life are no laughting matter. But Japan seems to love the theme.

This very special and blatantly obvious message brought to you by a fucking downer.
 
Casual reminder that Stiyl (that is, Mr Fire Loving Readhead With A Barcode Tattoo) is canonically 14.

Clearly there must be some kind of magic in the series that inflicts characters with a Benjamin Button esque condition, given that Komoe looks like she's 12 despite being an adult and Stiyl looks like he's in his twenties despite only being fourteen.

Or maybe it's that idiotic appearance switching magic.
 
Clearly there must be some kind of magic in the series that inflicts characters with a Benjamin Button esque condition, given that Komoe looks like she's 12 despite being an adult and Stiyl looks like he's in his twenties despite only being fourteen. Or maybe it's that idiotic appearance switching magic.
Or Komoe feeds on the lives of others to stay young and she's been overdoing it (Stiyl being one of her victims).
 
Only figuratively, not literally. That's not how Index/Railgun vampires seem to work (though info is limited).

It would be far more likely that she would be some kind of dark magician.
We do know that she isn't an esper, as she was able to use magic on one occasion when Index instructed her. The "dark magician" option doesn't match her personality at all, though.

My money's on genetic manipulation, robot or projection. :)
 
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