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A Bro's Life (AGG-ish Anime Bro Quest)

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CanYouMeme said:
On paper, she is the best manager. And I'd absolutely vote to give her control over the management, affairs, and general command of this team.

But is she the best available at preventing people from falling apart, barreling off into the mists of fuckuppery, and preventing people from succumbing to the temptations of Evil under pressure?

(Or EEEEVVVIIIIILLLL I suppose since this is an over-the-top harem anime)

Is she the best Leader available?

'Cause no offense to her, but her injuries, the fact she needs an apparently omnipresent bodyguard, and what little we know of her history suggests she wasn't at some point in the recent past, and she's very good at keeping the rest of us away from learning whether she's improved.

Meanwhile, Hayato's never yet failed to find a Better Way for whatever situation he's stuck his nose into, has averted one of the most common and hard-to-correct tropes in anime, and is generally a Kind Dude, which is far rarer, more valuable, and more useful than the Nice Dudette Estella is presenting to the world.

So he'll Form The Head as the GLORIOUS LEADER!, and Estella can be his collar, whip and leash teacher and manager to keep him away from the fuck ups and issues that left Estella mostly alone and in a wheelchair.
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She is. Leading, inspiring and handling conflict people are among the things she is best at, like we've seen, especially during her arrival to the school. Heck, she is our Speech (diplomacy and such) teacher.

Her injuries have done nothing to curb her mental skills, but cannot say anything about the rest without going into spoilers.

Hayato is a smaller case leader, not someone who organizes, things on long term (like we saw with Ritsuko) or holds all the strings and manages them.

To put it into military terms, Both Estella and Yamato are generals, where as Hayato is a squad leader.
 
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.

It's too soon for our heroic sacrifice that takes us away from all we know and love until we heroically return in the end game to help our bro cross the finish line!
 
Icipall said:
She is. Leading, inspiring and handling conflict people are among the things she is best at, like we've seen, especially during her arrival to the school. Heck, she is our Speech (diplomacy and such) teacher.

Her injuries have done nothing to curb her mental skills, but cannot say anything about the rest without going into spoilers.

Hayato is a smaller case leader, not someone who organizes, things on long term (like we saw with Ritsuko) or holds all the strings and manages them.

To put it into military terms, Both Estella and Yamato are generals, where as Hayato is a squad leader.
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You have totally missed the point of my objections.

All that stuff you're suggesting is good for controlling people.

I do not give a single anime-damned flying one how good she is at controlling people. We can do that well enough without her on this currently small scale, and have what we need to scale up as necessary. Many of the worst politicians and demagogues in history demonstrated all of what you're touting as a "mark in favor" - your ability to manage people is not required to be linked in any meaningful fashion to your ability to not be an ass.

What I care about are her morals and commitment to not being an asshole, and whether she'll enforce "don't be an asshole" even if it goes against the seemingly pragmatic/logical thing to do.

And that is a question for which we have no answer, because her very nice and persuasive mask is just that. So I am voting for the guy I KNOW for a fact is a moral and upstanding individual and will enforce it even to his own detriment, since all the other requirements for being a good leader are something he already has or can offload to those better suited until he trains up.

And no offense, but what is that "spoilers" nonsense? If you have information that might convince me otherwise but refuse to present it, then that information does not exist, is not relevant, and you're just being coy for the sake of being coy.
 
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[X]...You. You are...completely fucking shocked. Really? You? You're not the best choice for this but...okay! You'll do it!

We are literally the Kazuma of our group, we must lead by glorious example of man democracy. Bro is to logical to currently lead emotionally or inspirational wise. He must continue developing and bonding with others first.

He's our sasuke to our naruto.
 
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.

All options are sound... but I feel like Yamato doesn't have too much of an impact thus far, with this making him feel more important. But that's just me.
 
CanYouMeme said:
You have totally missed the point of my objections.

All that stuff you're suggesting is good for controlling people.

I do not give a single anime-damned flying one how good she is at controlling people. We can do that well enough without her on this currently small scale, and have what we need to scale up as necessary. Many of the worst politicians and demagogues in history demonstrated all of what you're touting as a "mark in favor" - your ability to manage people is not required to be linked in any meaningful fashion to your ability to not be an ass.

What I care about are her morals and commitment to not being an asshole, and whether she'll enforce "don't be an asshole" even if it goes against the seemingly pragmatic/logical thing to do.

And that is a question for which we have no answer, because her very nice and persuasive mask is just that. So I am voting for the guy I KNOW for a fact is a moral and upstanding individual and will enforce it even to his own detriment, since all the other requirements for being a good leader are something he already has or can offload to those better suited until he trains up.

And no offense, but what is that "spoilers" nonsense? If you have information that might convince me otherwise but refuse to present it, then that information does not exist, is not relevant, and you're just being coy for the sake of being coy.
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Leading people is always in some form of controlling people, and to be a good leader is to be able to convince others what is the proper course of action. And also being able to determine what is that action while taking into account the people you're leading, knowing that you cannot please everyone.

You're the one who brought up speculations and asked questions about her past and morals, using those as speculations as justification for your decision, and since I'm the one who created her I thought it would be prompt to bring up that those who have those answers cannot say, since it is not knowledge known IC and I try to decide my votes on what Hayato would do, based on what he knows. You seem to be rather intent on this negative view of Estella, but you should also take into account that it might not be true, or only partially true, and even Hayato said that he was expecting Estella to just be the leader.
 
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.

He is the brotagonist of this show. He has the tactical acumen and charisma to get good orders out. We are the heavy and the heart, which makes our job bridging gaps and punching gaps in teeth.

Let Hayato fly out of our shadow.
 
Part of me wants to do a She-Ra and the Princesses of Power reference and vote the team name to be "Friendship Squad", because that is the type of name Hayato would come up with, but on the other I'd want something more original.
 
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.

Because I don't want to lead, and we have enough influence over Bro to keep our group from going He Who Fights Monsters. Best of both worlds!
 
[X]...You. You are...completely fucking shocked. Really? You? You're not the best choice for this but...okay! You'll do it!

I feel like Yamato taking over the organization will have to wait until Hayato loses the ability to fill that role at some point (most likely due to injury). I agree that Yamato should strive to recover enough to open up to people, but he's not quite there yet.
 
Hmmm, maybe I should make an Omake...

My vote:
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.
 
[X]...You. You are...completely fucking shocked. Really? You? You're not the best choice for this but...okay! You'll do it!

The protagonist doesn't necessarily need to be the leader, quite a few anime have protagonists that are members of a team while someone else is the leader.

Plus, bro is still a bit too cold, he needs more chances to be in the field and meet new people to develop emotionally.
 
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.

I think this will be a good step for our bro to start growing into a leadership position. Also guys, don't forget to also vote/write in a team name. I'm awful at names but even so I'll throw in a random one.

[X] The Secret Paranormal Association, S.P.A.

Yes, I backronym'd it, no I don't care. Let our brother become the first leader of SPA - maybe he'll start picking up massage skills /s.
 
[X]...Yamato. You just knew your brother had the potential to do it. And, judging by everyone else's votes, they did as well.

[X] Organization for Human-Monster Unions: OHMU

This feels like something Hayato would come up with, and includes an anime monster (that is docile unless threatened) reference, since both brothers love anime. Also something you can say out in the open without sounding suspicious, like an anime club name.
 
[X]...You. You are...completely fucking shocked. Really? You? You're not the best choice for this but...okay! You'll do it!
 
A consideration that seems to be currently overlooked: We would, at most, be a figurehead if we get chosen as the leader. We know how to soothe wounded egos, we know how to convince people to work together, but we have no idea how to actually go about our goals in any way less subtle than "punch the problem in the face until it stops being a problem" (and we know damn well that's not an option here).

Thus, if we become the "leader," Yamato would probably be the one actually calling the shots, because he knows how to do that crap better than us and would thus take an advisory position (which would, in turn, make him the real leader because we know we're kind of a meathead and would thus generally go along with what he advises us to do). Making him the leader cuts out the middle man while still leaving us open to advise him on the moral front so we don't become just as evil as the Organisation.
 
Sir Plusse said:
A consideration that seems to be currently overlooked: We would, at most, be a figurehead if we get chosen as the leader. We know how to soothe wounded egos, we know how to convince people to work together, but we have no idea how to actually go about our goals in any way less subtle than "punch the problem in the face until it stops being a problem" (and we know damn well that's not an option here).

Thus, if we become the "leader," Yamato would probably be the one actually calling the shots, because he knows how to do that crap better than us and would thus take an advisory position (which would, in turn, make him the real leader because we know we're kind of a meathead and would thus generally go along with what he advises us to do). Making him the leader cuts out the middle man while still leaving us open to advise him on the moral front so we don't become just as evil as the Organisation.
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The problem is one of authority, and where it's invested. Which is critically important.

If Yamato is invested with overall authority, that puts Hayato on an inferior plane when conflicts over pragmatism-vs-morality come up and invites claims of nepotism whenever we try to push not being an asshole. And that forcibly strains the brotherhood bond when Yamato has to balance egos and actions, which we've already established is not his strong suit.

If Hayato has leadership, then that forces any malicious actors or overly passionate divergences to contend with an ultimate authority that is an utterly rock solid Kind Man. And since a leader that generously rewards subordinates is the best kind of leader from an outside perspective, that placates the power seekers and costs us nothing since those "rewards" are things we were going to give out anyway.
 
CanYouMeme said:
If Hayato has leadership, then that forces any malicious actors or overly passionate divergences to contend with an ultimate authority that is an utterly rock solid Kind Man. And since a leader that generously rewards subordinates is the best kind of leader from an outside perspective, that placates the power seekers and costs us nothing since those "rewards" are things we were going to give out anyway.
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Except when we are obviously doing what our bro tells us to, that undermines our authority, and draws those accusations of nepotism you're so scared of. Like, it's not just that we would be a figurehead, the problem is that we would be an obvious figurehead and everyone would know it.

We would be charismatic, yes, but we would be indecisive- something we cannot afford to be; eventually people would just start ignoring us entirely because they'd learn not to consult the charismatic guy who knows nothing. At least as a moral advisor everyone would know who's calling the shots and why, exactly, he runs every decision past us.

And throwing your own "things we were going to give out anyway" argument back at you: If we're just going to give Yamato so much authority because we have no idea what to do with it, why not just make him the official leader in the first place? Especially when we know that he'll never do anything without at least consulting us.
 
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