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A Bro's Life (AGG-ish Anime Bro Quest)

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LinkOnScepter said:
Combining Mundane Martial Arts with Supernatural Martial Arts against Mortal Opponents will work. They have no way of completely negating either.

Against Supernatural Opponents though, only the Supernatural Martial Art would have any effect. The Mundane's addition would simply be canceled out. This is because most Supernaturals can't be hurt through normal Mortal Martial Arts. Either their too strong for it, have ways to negate it's effect, or are smart enough to stop it from even mattering in a fight.

However, that's at lower (>80) levels. Bring Mortal Martial Arts above 90 or so, and they can start affecting Supernaturals...but at that point they stop being Mortal Martial Arts and require actual training and focus to use. Plus everyone will be able to tell your fighting style is anything but normal.
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As a sidenote just remembered this! I maybe misunderstanding but if I am right then Hayato is about wallop this Oni as he can bring both of his supernatural and previously mundane martial arts skills to the forefront.

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Sir Plusse said:
I believe our bro would just tell us to cut the damn arm off already, on the logic that this topic has likely already been researched quite exhaustively and removing the possessed body part really is the only way available to us.
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You mean the same bro that silly enough to somehow believe Hayato would want the fame from saving the school because that's logical? The same bro thats goofy enough to somehow think he'll have to be the dark shadow to support his heroic light of a bro? Yamato is the protagonist sure, but he's not automatically perfect or even right. He's still got some character development, especially emotionally, to work through.
Sir Plusse said:
Lemme put this in more realistic terms: Some guy has severe, contagious necrosis in one limb. The doctor recommends amputation, both to prevent its spread in the guy's body and so the infected limb can be cremated to contain the spread. Do you A: shounen-logic and hope that you find a cure, or B: amputate the arm as the doctor recommends?
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Bad example! This is not real! This is literally a shonen setting with magic and martial arts up to Baki level (if I'm remembering the initial chosen power levels)! You remember the wacky logic breaking of Baki? Now add literal mythology and magic! Hopes, dreams, and determination have literally caused swordsmen to cut birds from the sky or turned mundane items into legendary weapons or humble young men, women, and monsters into great figures of legend!
Sir Plusse said:
Define "no trap options" for those of us who've forgotten.
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It means that this is a shonen setting! No option is necessarily a mistake to chose that is not explicitly labeled as such! Take that kinda grimness to a seinen :p!
 
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A question that just occurred to me: If we manage to steal the oni's cleaver, can we use our Kendo perks with it? I mean, something like that has gotta be more than a mortal weapon.
 
Lifeandlice said:
You mean the same bro that silly enough to somehow believe Hayato would want the fame from saving the school because that's logical? The same bro thats goofy enough to somehow think he'll have to be the dark shadow to support his heroic light of a bro? Yamato is the protagonist sure, but he's not automatically perfect. He's still got some character development, especially emotionally, to work through.

This is literally a shonen setting with magic and martial arts up to Baki level (if I'm remembering the initial chosen power levels)! You remember the wacky logic breaking of Baki? Now add literal mythology and magic! Hopes, dreams, and determination have literally caused swordsmen to cut birds from the sky or turned mundane items into legendary weapons or humble young men, women, and monsters into great figures of legend!
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Well, Yamato is still learning this "emotions" thing, and relies mostly on logic in interactions, so... yes, I can totally see him just going "cut the damn arm off already."

I have no familiarity with Baki (as in, I never read it in the first place, and do not have the patience, time, or desire to look it up), so that part of your argument means less than nothing to me. But anyway, as to the general spirit... Do you really think we're the first shounen-protagonist-or-associate-thereof to run into this exact situation? If anything, I feel like the "just remove the possessed body part" solution is the miraculous answer our hotblooded predecessor found while desperately trying to avoid killing the poor innocent being used as a tool by unscrupulous demons.
 
Sir Plusse said:
If anything, I feel like the "just remove the possessed body part" solution is the miraculous answer our hotblooded predecessor found while desperately trying to avoid killing the poor innocent being used as a tool by unscrupulous demons.
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Somehow I get the feeling that during that age it was the most efficient way to help the possessed during their battle against demons and while us removing his arm might be easier there may be another solution that our bro can think of.

After all he is the one more knowledgeable about these things and just like how in ancient times medicine was pretty brutal and in modern times its less painful and more easier to cure afflictions, our bro may find a better solution with all the knowledge he has.
 
Sir Plusse said:
Again: The problem with this is that we have no idea what we're doing.

Lemme put this in more realistic terms: Some guy has severe, contagious necrosis in one limb. The doctor recommends amputation, both to prevent its spread in the guy's body and so the infected limb can be cremated to contain the spread. Do you A: shounen-logic and hope that you find a cure, or B: amputate the arm as the doctor recommends?


Define "no trap options" for those of us who've forgotten. Like, is it "every option has a minimum chance of success, if properly prepared for" or is it more "it is theoretically possible for anything to happen, in the same way that any given child could be the next Great Inventor who will completely revolutionize society as we know it and progress our technology more in a single decade than we otherwise would over an entire century?"

Because in one, a "trap option" is defined as "anything in which success is not a plausible result" while in the other it's defined as "anything in which success is literally impossible."

Also, "don't do trap options" doesn't preclude "someone else takes matters into their own hands and cuts his arm off while we're fighting the oni and hoping someone finds a miraculous third option that leaves him intact and un-possessed."


I believe our bro would just tell us to cut the damn arm off already, on the logic that this topic has likely already been researched quite exhaustively and removing the possessed body part really is the only way available to us.
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What I mean is that I will never put forth an option that is a guaranteed 100% chance of failure if picked.

That's unfun and stupid "Gotcha, ya didn't read my mind!" bullshit.

Sir Plusse said:
A question that just occurred to me: If we manage to steal the oni's cleaver, can we use our Kendo perks with it? I mean, something like that has gotta be more than a mortal weapon.
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Yes you could.
 
Sir Plusse said:
Well, Yamato is still learning this "emotions" thing, and relies mostly on logic in interactions, so... yes, I can totally see him just going "cut the damn arm off already."
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Yes, and I cannot name a shonen off the top of my head that don't laugh at logic in a myriad of ways. It's practically a staple of the genre otherwise "The Power Of Friendship" wouldn't be a thing, because logically thinking about others doesn't somehow make you 2-38 times stronger than you were somehow.
Sir Plusse said:
I have no familiarity with Baki (as in, I never read it in the first place, and do not have the patience, time, or desire to look it up), so that part of your argument means less than nothing to me.
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Baki, despite having airs of being "grounded" and being almost entirely non-magical (exception being a single ghost as far as I remember) has it's fighters pull off some absolutely wack-tastic things with very loose explanations. Reattaching torn off body parts because they put them in ice and knew a doctor, pulling off someone's face with finger tips, being stronger than mutated elephants, faster than bullets, a caveman that somehow fought dinosaurs getting frozen and somehow surviving to the modern day. And that's just the tip of the wacky, exceptionally stupid iceberg.
Sir Plusse said:
But anyway, as to the general spirit... Do you really think we're the first shounen-protagonist-or-associate-thereof to run into this exact situation? If anything, I feel like the "just remove the possessed body part" solution is the miraculous answer our hotblooded predecessor found while desperately trying to avoid killing the poor innocent being used as a tool by unscrupulous demons.
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Did you miss the part about "well trod path to disappointment"? I do not care to emulate the hollow victories of those who came before! Hayato, as a true shonen bro, should aim beyond that!
 
Lifeandlice said:
Yes, and I cannot name a shonen off the top of my head that don't laugh at logic in a myriad of ways. It's practically a staple of the genre otherwise "The Power Of Friendship" wouldn't be a thing, because logically thinking about others doesn't somehow make you 2-38 times stronger than you were somehow.
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Can you name a shonen that doesn't pull "the good guys fail because DRAMA" or "good guy underestimates First Serious Villain Of The Arc and gets his ass handed to him" though? Because we are literally setting ourselves up for the second right now, and the first is basically impossible to predict.

And anyway, we aren't actually the protagonist here; we're just the Bro. That, in itself, kind of limits our success rate on Shounen-ing this bitch out of a guy who could be a new friend.

edit: Also, while I know the comparison isn't entirely apt (mostly because this is our first real villain being compared to what was intended to be the last boss of an entire franchise), you know one shounen villain that shounen-ing very nearly doesn't work on? Freeza. Everything the good guys pull out to fight him just gets him to pull out a new form, and at 100% he's able to fight on-par with a Super Saiyan except for his stamina issues.
 
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Sir Plusse said:
Unrelated: It just occurred to me that it's probably a good thing we put so much work into our Physical Resistance; if we hadn't put so much work into it we probably would've lost an arm saving that judge.
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I doubt it would have that bad, that big of a wound from one attack right from the start, but we would have gone to this fight wounded.
Lifeandlice said:
As a sidenote just remembered this! I maybe misunderstanding but if I am right then Hayato is about wallop this Oni as he can bring both of his supernatural and previously mundane martial arts skills to the forefront.
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Not quite. The raising our mortal arts to that level gave us the chance to make them supernatural. And unlike mortal arts, supernatural arts cannot be combined together. Except in the case of Unmoving Mountain, which we can use together with one other supernatural art. When our SL is high enough.
LinkOnScepter said:
Much like Partner Arts, you need to get a Partner's SL to at least 8 to be able to use a Super Art alongside their Partner Art.
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Sir Plusse said:
Can you name a shonen that doesn't pull "the good guys fail because DRAMA" or "good guy underestimates First Serious Villain Of The Arc and gets his ass handed to him" though? Because we are literally setting ourselves up for the second right now, and the first is basically impossible to predict.

And anyway, we aren't actually the protagonist here; we're just the Bro. That, in itself, kind of limits our success rate on Shounen-ing this bitch out of a guy who could be a new friend.

edit: Also, while I know the comparison isn't entirely apt (mostly because this is our first real villain being compared to what was intended to be the last boss of an entire franchise), you know one shounen villain that shounen-ing very nearly doesn't work on? Freeza. Everything the good guys pull out to fight him just gets him to pull out a new form, and at 100% he's able to fight on-par with a Super Saiyan except for his stamina issues.
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Lifeandlice said:
Yes, and I cannot name a shonen off the top of my head that don't laugh at logic in a myriad of ways. It's practically a staple of the genre otherwise "The Power Of Friendship" wouldn't be a thing, because logically thinking about others doesn't somehow make you 2-38 times stronger than you were somehow.

Baki, despite having airs of being "grounded" and being almost entirely non-magical (exception being a single ghost as far as I remember) has it's fighters pull off some absolutely wack-tastic things with very loose explanations. Reattaching torn off body parts because they put them in ice and knew a doctor, pulling off someone's face with finger tips, being stronger than mutated elephants, faster than bullets, a caveman that somehow fought dinosaurs getting frozen and somehow surviving to the modern day. And that's just the tip of the wacky, exceptionally stupid iceberg.

Did you miss the part about "well trod path to disappointment"? I do not care to emulate the hollow victories of those who came before! Hayato, as a true shonen bro, should aim beyond that!
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Just want to say that both of your points are valid in the current circumstance.

Though, I'm not like Sage.

The first real fight you get into, wouldn't be something you couldn't handle. Unless you somehow EXTREMELY fucked up. And you haven't.
 
[X] ...to grab Yato. You'll take this thing on together. Your first real fight. Let's do this. (Will fight the oni using UMT with Yato; ???)
[X] ...to stall Kuziwa. You can't bring yourself to cut his arm off. But you can't get the oni out of him as you are. All you can do is stall and hope for the best.

Maybe Lil bro has some exorcisms in his big beautiful brain or at least maybe fox in law might know some
 
[X] ...to grab Yato. You'll take this thing on together. Your first real fight. Let's do this. (Will fight the oni using UMT with Yato; ???)
[X] ...to save Kuziwa. You won't let this thing have him. And if you need to remove his arm for that...so be it.

Hey @LinkOnScepter, do our three 100+ Supernatural Martial Arts still contribute when we're using Yato, or is it only UMD?

Because if so, it appears our strength DECREASES when using Yato…
 
Icipall said:
I doubt it would have that bad, that big of a wound from one attack right from the start, but we would have gone to this fight wounded.

Not quite. The raising our mortal arts to that level gave us the chance to make them supernatural. And unlike mortal arts, supernatural arts cannot be combined together. Except in the case of Unmoving Mountain, which we can use together with one other supernatural art. When our SL is high enough.
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Maybe not "lost" as in "completely severed," but "lost" as in "disabled, at least for the duration of the current fight" probably wasn't off the table if our defenses were any weaker.

As for the martial arts... the perk Flow Like Water (gained from hitting 100 in 3 different "transcended" martial arts) explicitly states that our super art perks apply regardless of what we're actually using. Not sure if UMT counts for its purposes, though, but there is a non-zero probability at least.
 
Sir Plusse said:
As for the martial arts... the perk Flow Like Water (gained from hitting 100 in 3 different "transcended" martial arts) explicitly states that our super art perks apply regardless of what we're actually using. Not sure if UMT counts for its purposes, though, but there is a non-zero probability at least.
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Perks, yes, but I was talking about skill scores.
 
Sir Plusse said:
Which still depends on whether "martial arts that you're supernaturally good at" are distinct from "martial arts that are innately supernatural" in that formula.
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...No, the perk specifically talks about perks, not skill scores:
LinkOnScepter said:
[Gained Perk: Flow Like Water: Martial Arts are all the same when you really get down to it. Well...they to you anyway. Whenever you use a Super Art, Perks of other Super Arts will still be considered active when appropriate. So, even if you're using Karate, you can't be disarmed by any mortal means if you have a weapon in your hands.]
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Edit.
Sorry if that response came off as douchy, I'm very, very tired.
 
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ReaderOfFate said:
[X] ...to grab Yato. You'll take this thing on together. Your first real fight. Let's do this. (Will fight the oni using UMT with Yato; ???)
[X] ...to save Kuziwa. You won't let this thing have him. And if you need to remove his arm for that...so be it.

Hey @LinkOnScepter, do our three 100+ Supernatural Martial Arts still contribute when we're using Yato, or is it only UMD?

Because if so, it appears our strength DECREASES when using Yato…
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No, but due to current story stuff, Yato has a way to make up for that.
 
Icipall said:
...No, the perk specifically talks about perks, not skill scores:
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I know. I was referring to the question of "do mortal martial arts we have supernatural skill with stack innately, on account of originally being mortal martial arts?" Like, does the "no stacking" statement refer to "any martial art with supernatural effects" or just stuff like UMT?
 
Sir Plusse said:
I know. I was referring to the question of "do mortal martial arts we have supernatural skill with stack innately, on account of originally being mortal martial arts?" Like, does the "no stacking" statement refer to "any martial art with supernatural effects" or just stuff like UMT?
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Considering that one of the few advantages that mortal arts have over supernatural ones is that they can all be combined, and that LoS has said in the past that only way to use use multiple super arts together is to having high enough SL with out partner, thus being able to combine partner art with another supernatural art (whether evolved from mortal or partner art), I'd say that they cannot stack when used as supernatural arts.
 
[X] ...to grab Yato. You'll take this thing on together. Your first real fight. Let's do this. (Will fight the oni using UMT with Yato; ???)
[X] ...to take Kuziwa down. You can't bring yourself to cut his arm off. But you can't get the oni out of him as you are. You'll just...try to knock him out and hope for the best.
 
LinkOnScepter said:
You-You said-you wouldn't-dot this.
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[x] ...to grab Yato and run. You won't fight this thing here. You've gotta get to a better spot. Hopefully, it'll try to chase you down. (Grab Yato, but try to lead the oni somewhere else; Note that the auditorium is empty now; ???)

Our bro wouldn't give us bad advice. Maybe he'll have a plan, too.

[x] ...to save Kuziwa. You won't let this thing have him. And if you need to remove his arm for that...so be it.

The arm is not his, and he made a decent showing without it. So be it indeed.
 
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[X] ...to grab Yato. You'll take this thing on together. Your first real fight. Let's do this. (Will fight the oni using UMT with Yato; ???)

[X] ...to take Kuziwa down. You can't bring yourself to cut his arm off. But you can't get the oni out of him as you are. You'll just...try to knock him out and hope for the best.

That's what he gets for making dumb deals with oni. Take this thing down.
 
[X] ...to grab Yato. You'll take this thing on together. Your first real fight. Let's do this. (Will fight the oni using UMT with Yato; ???)
[X] ...to save Kuziwa. You won't let this thing have him. And if you need to remove his arm for that...so be it.
 
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