A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII)
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[x] Vairë to celebrate the birth of a new unlooked thing
This feels optimistic. The orcs need that.
This feels optimistic. The orcs need that.
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I thought Vana was the embodiment of youth and all things new, and so she is basically the only Vala who does not lessen in any way with time or toil? Meaning that of all Ainur in Arda, she alone will be still fully into her own ere the remaking of the world?
That would potentially pass onto us some form of spiritual endurance and renewal aura, and possibly something else I can't rightly come up with words for right now? She IS called the Ever-Young.
[X] Vana to make your pain the seed of new thing
Personally it sounds a bit odd to see it put this way when Yavanna was the one who created plants and laid seeds in the ground during the early age and dark time under the stars. But then Vana is her sister, and while she might not have made the first seeds, she can make them bloom just by passing by.
Maybe we'll gain the ability to heal this marring just with our proximity to orcs fom here onwards? It IS how we changed them to start with.
Manwe's option also has a draw, since it sounds like we might regain flight, but I don't know if the Gm will hand that over to us so early, despite us just schooling the Aratar in the noble art of cleaning up the mess caused by their own neglect.
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Incidentally, sadface.jpg. We would have had Numenorcs
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That would potentially pass onto us some form of spiritual endurance and renewal aura, and possibly something else I can't rightly come up with words for right now? She IS called the Ever-Young.
[X] Vana to make your pain the seed of new thing
Personally it sounds a bit odd to see it put this way when Yavanna was the one who created plants and laid seeds in the ground during the early age and dark time under the stars. But then Vana is her sister, and while she might not have made the first seeds, she can make them bloom just by passing by.
Maybe we'll gain the ability to heal this marring just with our proximity to orcs fom here onwards? It IS how we changed them to start with.
Manwe's option also has a draw, since it sounds like we might regain flight, but I don't know if the Gm will hand that over to us so early, despite us just schooling the Aratar in the noble art of cleaning up the mess caused by their own neglect.
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Incidentally, sadface.jpg. We would have had Numenorcs
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ganonso
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Yavanna is she who have created plants and trees, who set the Ents to watch over the forests
Vana is she who introduced the idea of love, of giving birth, of germinating. She is Aphrodite to Yavanna's Demeter.
Vana was the most difficult to pinpoint with the strange exception of Oromë. While the Hunter is a good archetype, all the Valar are meant to have created something. I took the fact he is the first horseman and the first to have a pack of hounds as making it the inventor of taming and domestication. It goes well with his other role as "Corrector of the Mistakes in the Design"
Vana is she who introduced the idea of love, of giving birth, of germinating. She is Aphrodite to Yavanna's Demeter.
Vana was the most difficult to pinpoint with the strange exception of Oromë. While the Hunter is a good archetype, all the Valar are meant to have created something. I took the fact he is the first horseman and the first to have a pack of hounds as making it the inventor of taming and domestication. It goes well with his other role as "Corrector of the Mistakes in the Design"
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[X] Vairë to celebrate the birth of a new unlooked thing
All aboard the bandwagon! But no really, it was either Vaire or Vana. Decided to go with Vaire since getting a 'boon' from someone with a 'Fate' domain (portfolio?) sounds interesting.
All aboard the bandwagon! But no really, it was either Vaire or Vana. Decided to go with Vaire since getting a 'boon' from someone with a 'Fate' domain (portfolio?) sounds interesting.
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Personally, I feel Arda could do with less Fate, but maybe that's just me.
And if Vana is Aphrodite... maybe it's exactly what we need! Orcs don't know true, pure feelings from experience at all! If Vana gets involved though... No more rapine!
Or rape for that matter.
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[X] Vana to make your pain the seed of new thing
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Not many Vana fans it seems. Oh well, on to another matter.
@ganonso, I forgot to ask before, but why is the healing happening now instead of at the end of the council? Or at least after we've actually, well, discussed our plans for the orcs? Seems kind of short-sighted to do this in the middle of things and risk being incapacitated or whatever else for the rest of however many days or weeks this takes.
@ganonso, I forgot to ask before, but why is the healing happening now instead of at the end of the council? Or at least after we've actually, well, discussed our plans for the orcs? Seems kind of short-sighted to do this in the middle of things and risk being incapacitated or whatever else for the rest of however many days or weeks this takes.
ganonso
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Elrond and Galadriel wanted to try. They thought they would only manage to cure the mundane ills of the Orc and notably wanted to ascertain if the corruption was of the body or the soul. It just happens that for Elrond diagnosis and healing happen at the same time.
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I imagine my next question would be answered in the next update, but I can't help myself! XD
Now that it's succeeded, how will it be applied/spread/conveyed/done on the rest of the orcs? Or are the Valar going to be doing that now that we've sufficiently shocked them out of their "But This Can't Be Done Because It Never Ocurred to Us!" state of mind?
ganonso
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It won't.
Prekk is a proof the concept can work. Still to do it demanded the union of you, Elrond and Galadriel and the Elessar. Such a council could be conveyed for exceptional individuals but Prekk will remain the only healed for quite some time.
What it will do is unlock a long ressearch line on how to mass-produce your prototype. I'm open to suggestions on that front but things like creating an order of your own healers, investing in magic, or spread the healing process through years and decades and thus be less traumatic would be possibilities.
As the massive christ-like thing of growing powerful enough to shoulder all the corruption by yourself.
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Methinks you ate the rest of this sentence.
I don't suppose we could still try for Numenorcs later?
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ganonso
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troublesome if got erased.
Ressearch options like everything else.
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Sometimes I forget we're still only mid-turn 2!
Liking our rolls so far, though. A strong start is always welcomed.
Liking our rolls so far, though. A strong start is always welcomed.
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Hmm...
What are the odds that getting healed (Este) or raised above suffering (Manwe) will make it harder to build on this success? Unlike turning the pain to some purpose or other if we go with Yavanna, Vaire or Vana? Aule's help meanwhile sounds like we wouldn't actually learn much at all that we could use to help others, not in any short time frame. Kind of like a trade between personal power/endurance versus more far-reaching and easily disseminating benefits?
Ironically, Manwe's help will probably help us LEAST seeing as he's notoriously incapable of understanding Melkor and, well, "evil."
Maybe that's why no one's choosing him.
What are the odds that getting healed (Este) or raised above suffering (Manwe) will make it harder to build on this success? Unlike turning the pain to some purpose or other if we go with Yavanna, Vaire or Vana? Aule's help meanwhile sounds like we wouldn't actually learn much at all that we could use to help others, not in any short time frame. Kind of like a trade between personal power/endurance versus more far-reaching and easily disseminating benefits?
Ironically, Manwe's help will probably help us LEAST seeing as he's notoriously incapable of understanding Melkor and, well, "evil."
Maybe that's why no one's choosing him.
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ganonso
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Well Vaïre wins
And Morianor was then called Evynyatar that is to say the Renewer in the high tongue. And to the first of the Healed was given the name of Palantir for he was foresighted and afterwards, even those he was sent to who hated him feared him for a seer true. Yet this foresight brought him few joys and he said:
"I beheld the weavings of the history of the world and some of its future too. Hope was replaced by certainty, fear by knowledge. And yet a seal has been placed on my mind for freedom is one of the gifts of the One and I won't take it lightly."
And Morianor was then called Evynyatar that is to say the Renewer in the high tongue. And to the first of the Healed was given the name of Palantir for he was foresighted and afterwards, even those he was sent to who hated him feared him for a seer true. Yet this foresight brought him few joys and he said:
"I beheld the weavings of the history of the world and some of its future too. Hope was replaced by certainty, fear by knowledge. And yet a seal has been placed on my mind for freedom is one of the gifts of the One and I won't take it lightly."
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Well shit.
ganonso
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Well shit.
You will have cryptic prophecies and you will love them!
More to the point Palantir will be more powerful than Aragorn who could make some spot-on predictions (remember that thing with "We'll meet again" with Eomer). But not so much as to have "And the weather next month will be..."