A Light from the Shadow (Tolkien CKII)

Gil-Galad ruled Lindon whose borders shifted along the Second Age.

The Sorcers Adunaphael has are people from the old secret cult of Sauron who already dabbled in the dark arts. They were then posessed by Unhoused or very weak Umaïar to give them a boost. Before that they were like Mellisandre of ASOIF, a bit of power and much knowledge of parlor tricks.

Needless to say she doesn't have many of them and not that many Unhoused to jack into prospective apprentices.
Would cleansing Enedwaith and wherever else cause Unhoused umaiar to flee south and basically give Adunaphael more to work with? Or would they just fade like Sauron and Saruman did?

Unrelatedly, why is Dain Ironfoot here? He's only 34 years old and didn't get to behead Azog this time, or even lose his father I think? I'd have expected Nain to be here instead, since he even parlayed with us at the gate.
 
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Depends on your rolls.

Yes you're right I must correct it, Nain makes more sense, I thought Dain much older.
 
Well... my verbosity strikes again?

[X] Plan Sesquipedalian Loquaciousness

[X] Arnor
-[X] Offer to go to the Barrow Downs and take care of the Wights there, personally and permanently. Confer with Miriel as to how widespread the wights are and choose backup from among the Elves, Men and Dwarves as available. Preferably some Lothlorien Elves, plus some Dunedain to act as guides and trackers, given that it's their region and they know it best. With proper manpower, you should still be able to spend a fair bit of time in Moria seeing to your people.
-[X] Meanwhile, Imladris should work with Miriel to scout the northern lands and see how much of the area can be immediately secured and if a front can or should be preemptively established North of the Angle. Whatever happens in the Barrow Downs will either reveal Nazgul presence or, if absent, indicate that it's actually in the North where the Witch King (or whoever else) are working from at present. One of the Istari or Glorfindel may need to be involved in this.
-[X] Meanwhile, steps could be taken to make Arnor properly habitable again, starting with Enedwaith. Whatever stasis is on the land, whether because of the Rule of Ringbearers in ancient times or the Witch King's last act of spite, or both, should be lifted and the land made ready to resettle. As it is now, it's all just going to waste. Any two Istari and perhaps Glorfindel should take lead on this. They can take a time to weigh odds and what effort would be required to achieve this, as well as provide a time frame for what will clearly be a long-term, concerted effort. It should be possible to do in stages (Enedwaith and Minhiriath should get priority).
-[X] By next year, you should have finished dealing with the Barrow Wights and the situation North will be sufficiently scouted. At that point, the decision can be taken to either wage war in the North, or start a concerted effort between Dunedain and Rivendell, or the Grey Havens by the West, to see the ethereal threats dealt with and gloom banished.
-[X] Long-term, once Enedwaith, at the very least, is cleansed and made ready, the area would make a good place to establish anyone if they agree to abide by the law and custom of Arnor. Perhaps thoughts should be given to the idea of letting the Dunlendings settle there, under Dunedain supervision and guidance. Pacts can be drafted to ensure the claim of the Dunedain on Arnor is maintained, while also removing the Dunlendings from being a threat to Rohan, who are dealing with enough problems due to the Orcs assailing them right now.
--[X] Perhaps some of the less reclusive elves could take over from Radagast and teach Dunlendings how to make better tools and use their land to the fullest? Then Radagast could help with the cleansing of the gloom upon Arnor, even as the Dunlendings would learn better living and how to better use their existing lands no matter what happens later. Contingent on them stopping the feud with Rohan of course.
-[X] In any case, immediate action should be taken regarding the Harad situation as well. Perhaps start by sending spies and establishing an underground movement to rescue people and support rebellion? It would probably be difficult if the skin tone and bearing is so very different between the North people and theirs though. Deliver weapons? The lack of means to fight back historically makes the difference between a snuffed rebellion and a successful revolution. All that remains is to figure out who can make and deliver the weapons, and who to deliver them to.
--[X] Long-term, Umbar will probably have to be dealt with and its power broken before Harad can act freely. A rebellion in Harad might have to be staged while a Fellowship of Heroes ventures into Umbar to hunt down and eradicate the Sauron cult.
-[X] You yourself would be best positioned to debunk Sauron's claims of divinity, being the closest thing to a peer currently walking the world, but it is too soon to forsake your responsibilities to the newest Children of Eru. Additionally, you are not blind to the possibility of Adunaphael's open activities being a blatant attempt to draw you and the other powers out. The possibility of Unhoused umaiar fleeing south in the wake of Arnor's cleansing is also worth considering: it would do the most good, perhaps, if you were in Harad or Umbar at the same time as the Unhoused flee in that direction, if they do, so that you can deal with them and any sorcerers they bind themselves to if it comes down to it.

The last two subpoints could probably be taken out and used in a subsequent update, but this is more or less what I'm thinking of.

What to do with the rings is still up for debate, though getting Thrain's off his finger should probably be done fast given prior observations of him.

I'm assuming the Haradrim don't have the means to fight back right now, and that all the weapons, equipment and attack beasts in LOTR were recent developments. Because if the Haradrim WERE as well equipped as depicted there, I don't see why they wouldn't have long ago revolted against slavery by what is, by all means, a very small section of population in comparison.

@ganonso, how fast can we travel in Maia form? Because if we can travel at the speed of the wind, we might be able to cleanse the Barrow Downs AND help scout North, leaving Gandalf and/or Radagast and/or Glorfindel free to start preparations for the cleanup in Southern Eriador. I assume we're still landbound so this is probably a pipedream, but who knows with these things. Figure I may as well ask.
 
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@Karmic Acumen Where exactly do you propose the Haradrim pass to reach Enedwaith? Gondor lies between it and Harad?



Haradrim are equiped like in the movies ie Standard Desert Warrior with cloth armor, spear and some nobles like Hassan having steel swords.

Mumakils are exceedingly rare as they are found in Far Harad. Umbar considers itself very lucky if they have a parc of ten Mumakil at their disposal.

Umbari are equipped like the Gondorian Army and they rule the Haradrim by divide and conquer tactics, sheer brutality and assassination of the dissident chieftain. Such murders were actually the purview of the Sauronic cult.

Ganonso, if I may ask. Where exactly is the one ring right now? I know this is OOC knowledge, but so much activity on Sauron's side has me worried about the ring. The Nazgul are surely great enemies, Smaug may be treating with Sauron, but nothing worries me more than Gollym, the Ring, and the fact that it literally is right below Goblin-Town if I'm not wrong

Gollum holds the Ring and wanders with it from cave to cave near the roots of the Mountains. Neither you, nor Sauron could ever find them if they don't want to be found or you stumble by chance just like Bilbo did.
 
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@Karmic Acumen Where exactly do you propose the Haradrim pass to reach Enedwaith? Gondor lies between it and Harad?



Haradrim are equiped like in the movies ie Standard Desert Warrior with cloth armor, spear and some nobles like Hassan having steel swords.

Mumakils are exceedingly rare as they are found in Far Harad. Umbar considers itself very lucky if they have a parc of ten Mumakil at their disposal.

Umbari are equipped like the Gondorian Army and they rule the Haradrim by divide and conquer tactics, sheer brutality and assassination of the dissident chieftain. Such murders were actually the purview of the Sauronic cult.
How much of this do we know in-character?

And I was only thinking "by sea" which, on second though, would never work, so I'll be removing that bit.
 
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How much of this do we know in-character?

All information I give you except stated otherwise is known to your character. Between Hassan who is a native, Gandalf who has travelled to Umbar several times to try to make them forget their grudges, and Lothiriel who fights them, you have a pretty good picture.
 
All information I give you except stated otherwise is known to your character. Between Hassan who is a native, Gandalf who has travelled to Umbar several times to try to make them forget their grudges, and Lothiriel who fights them, you have a pretty good picture.
Ok, so changed tracks to encouraging a rebellion and possibly using it as a lure/distraction while a Fellowship ventures into Umbar to eradicate the power base of the Sauron cult, and any members that aren't deployed to snuff down the revolt. Kind of like the Battle of the Black Gates to give the Ringbearers Opportunity, only not as much of a longshot and without the certainty of doom upon all the world this time if things on either side fail.

Most direct support from our forces to the rebels themselves will have to come late and in secret, due to the vastly different looks, bearing and speech.

I'm not sure if Aragorn ever went to Harad while under the alias of Thorongil, and even if he did go there, he didn't accomplish much, so presumably anyone of obvious Northern and especially Dunedain descent wouldn't have many options. Unless they pose as Umbarian nobles, but then they'd be avoided and mistrusted because of that very reason in this quest.
 
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Aragorn travelled to Harad. We don't know when but he says it I think to Eomer.

And to answer your question, yes you are landbound.
 
I do hope other players, and hopefully the other people in the council, will come up with better ideas for this mess of events. Harad especially. I don't really have much faith in the rebellion/infiltration plan I came up with, due to the inevitable reliance on passage through Gondor, and whatever complications that causes. Not to mention that the Nazgul queen doesn't sound like someone given to patience, so it's not like she'll give us any sort of grace period. I just don't have any better ideas than this. :-/

I wonder if Cirdan foresees anything. His foresight is supposed to be the best.

If only we had more information on the whole Corsair of Umbar issue and whatever Thorongil did about it under Ecthelion... You're obviously using the concept as inspiration here.
 
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Coming soon: Saruman has gifts for everyone, behold the Istarengili (Istar-Swords)

Saruman: Minyengil: Sword of the First
Gandalf : Rilestel: Flame of Hope
Radagast: Vercatùrë: Strength of the Wild
Morianor: Oravengil: Sword of Mercy
 
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Coming soon: Saruman has gifts for everyone, behold the Istarengili (Istar-Swords)

Saruman: Minyengil: Sword of the First
Gandalf : Rilestel: Flame of Hope
Radagast: Vercatùrë: Strength of the Wild
Morianor: Oravengil: Sword of Mercy
Are they better than Glamdring?

Also: if we recover some of the Barrow Blades, could Saruman reverse-engineer the magic on them and give us more Anti-Witch-King weapons? If men could make them, a wizard ought to manage, right?
 
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The Lord of the Nazgul, First of the Nine
Are they better than Glamdring?

Also: if we recover some of the Barrow Blades, could Saruman reverse-engineer the magic on them and give us more Anti-Witch-King weapons? If men could make them, a wizard ought to manage, right?

They are at the same level of Glamdring (who was after all the sword of either Echtelion of the Fountain or Turgon himself). Even in Istar-form Saruman is the equal of Noldorin smith.

He could do that yes.

The Lord of the Nazgul, First of the Nine
The Wise don't know all ends and all beginnings and the Nine Ringwraiths are a difficult subject to pursue. Wraiths they are and even in their first appearance as captains of the hosts of Mordor and eternal kings of men, they wore masks of steel and closed helmets, the void of their unseen bodies concealed by armor or thick clothing and enchantments. Three of them are women by instance but you wouldn't know it by looking at their visible forms and only one who is able to see the Unseen would know it at first glance. Their names are forgotten, spoken not upon the earth, swallowed by the darkness who has given birth to them, buried under time who has drowned many chronicles. Yet here what is known on the Lord of the Nazgul, First of the Nine and Most Fell Captain of the Dark Tower.

He was born Lomion "son of twilight" to king Tar-Minastir and his wife in the fair city of Armenelos. Most chronicles would say it was ere the Shadow fell under the great isle but Tar-Minastir had succeded his aunt and her own father had taken the Scepter since his two elder sisters refused it. Such strange happenings were the bitter fruits of the discontentment between Aldarion and Erendis where night first tainted Numenor's delight. He had no chance to ascend to the throne and perhaps in the beginning he had no desire to it, wishing only to leave the island and go to Middle-Earth, a wish his father granted. There he explored and as the descendant of Luthien he learned the arts of the Elves as well as he could until not permitted knowledge could fill the hunger of his mind. He sent comforting messages to his kin but he passed into the East and met with Sauron who was still under a fair guise. He learned from him all a Man could and so great was his thirst for evil knowledge he was granted the first of the Nine Rings of Power.

He came back at last to Numenor and there affected great love and fidelity to his brother the future Tar-Ciryatan. And indeed, not all of it was false for Lomion thought to use the arts of the Shadow against it or at least for the betterment of his people. He had but few use for the Ring's power of invisibility even if it granted him knowledge of secrets unknown to mortal men. He was keen of sight and of hearing, seeing much of the thoughts of lesser men and mighty had grown the power of his voice. So subtly he courted his brother they conspired together to make Tar-Minastir forsake the Scepter ere he was ready and yield it to Ciryatan. There he remained in his brother's court pouring poison into all ears, poison brewed in his heart and stirred by the Ring.

Late in the days of Tar-Atanamir when the Numenorean first talked openly against the Ban and the will of the Valar, Lomion who had taken the name Murazor "Black Prince" and involved himself with what would become the King's Men was forced to flee the isle. He had taken the Ring in his youth and was of line of Elros but he had been born ere the 1700th year of the Second Age and it was now the years 2200. He had lived more than five hundred years, more than the time allotted to even the line of kings. Yet the Ring did not gave him youth and more and more he yielded his body to the Unseen. At the end, he knew what he had become and knew his kinsmen would not tolerate him. He fled and passed into shadows where he fell under the eye of Sauron. His will spent at last he knelt before the Lord of the Rings and joined the other Nazgul, the first to have received a Great Ring and the last to forsake his mortal flesh.

He took the command of the hosts of Barad-Dur and while his lord was working his wiles in Numenor itself, after the Shadow he had sown freely the seeds of had given his last bitter fruit in Ar-Pharazon the golden. When Numenor was foundered under the sea he opposed those Faithful Kingdoms who had rose in Middle-Earth. His efforts, as well as the rest of the Nine's were in vain for the Ulaïri were defeated on the plains of Dagorlad and then on the slopes of Mount Doom where they formed Sauron's personal guard. It is said that he, who had been the first of the King's Men, was struck down by Elendil the Tall moments before the Ring was cut from Sauron's finger. For more than a thousand years none heard of the Lord of the Nazgul.

The Wise are not of the same mind on the Nine's relationship with Sauron. It seems that when the Dark Lord took visible form anew, he forced the Nazgul to yield their Rings to him, keeping them in thrall despite lacking the One. Yet those who think the power of the Enemy is needed to let his most powerful servants go freely are at a loss to explain how in the 1300th year of the Third Age the Lord of the Nazgul appeared in the northern wastes of Angmar accompanied by at least three of the Nine (probably the other two Numenorean Nazgul and Hommurath of Dir) while his master resided many leagues to the South-East in Dol Guldur. There the Black Captain raised the walls of Carn Dûm and united the Orcs of the mountains and the evil men that dwelt in the wastes, not only hill-men like it is told in the chronicles but many of Arnor's own Dunedains who became Black Numenoreans in all but name. Those renegades rose high in the Witch-King's ,as he titled himself, esteem for in his lifeless heart burned still contempt for those not of Edain's blood and lineage. This perverse loyalty was demonstrated later when the post of Lieutenant of Minas Morgul was always given to Men and not Orcs and so until the last of them who had taken the name Gothmog died in the battle of Pelennor Fields.

For six hundred years the Witch-King and the wraiths with him ruled Angmar and strove, first in secret and then openly against the kingdoms born of Arnor's division. In the end he was victorious, but his triumph tasted hollow for he found neither the Ring his lord believed to have been carried by Isildur's heirs and hidden somewhere in their realm, nor the Palantirii of the North who were either drowned with Arthedain's last king or hidden by the elves. His vengeance was then spent on the land as he knew he could not hold against the coming counter-offensive of the elves of Rivendell and the hosts of Gondor. Fell spirits, the least of the Umaïa but still formidable to any mortal being were summoned and the land filled with horrors as the demons were invited to possess beasts and trees and warp the countryside at their liking. Wolves came down from the mountains and hunted Arnor's refugees with near-human zeal. Even Arnor's past was not safe for the corpses of her kings became hosts for wights and wraiths who drove all who thought to find shelter among the graves of the Barrow-downs to fearful death.

The Lord of the Nazgul managed to rule only a year in ravaged Fornost but it mattered little to him. He returned to Mordor where Orcs had long bred in the caves of the mountains or the plains of Gorgoroth. He emerged at the head of the Nine and with an impressive army and laid siege to Minas Ithil, taking it after a siege of two years. In the 2002nd year of the Third Age, the Witch King was enthroned in the newly-christened Minas Morgul and killed in single combat Earnur of Gondor.

Since then he had bedeviled the folks of Gondor and led the wars from there. Some of the Wise thought the Nine were also ruling Dol Guldur but recent revelations will show that Sauron was more probably residing in the citadel until recently.
 
Ok let's take that point by point

You and Gandalf and possibly Glorfindel or Radagast will go to the Barrow-downs to purge them (I don't know if I will impose you Tom Bombadil however). Such an action will remove much of the gloom of Arnor, especially if the lesser Umaïar decide to make a stand.

The forces of Imladris and the Dunedain will investigate the Angmar situation and decide what to do but a military campaign by Imladris and the Dwarves at least will surely be decided to try and nip any rebuilding of Carn Dûm in the bud. You will surely be asked if you can participate to ensure the suspected Nazgul is driven off

Saruman is mobilizing Dunland to ride at the rescue of the Rohirrim at Helm's Deep but he gladly takes notes of introducing the Dunlendings to Enedwaith and uniting the clans of wild men there. They won't be that friendly to the Arnorians however as they are the descendants of the native population who saw the forests of Enedwaith cut down by the Numenoreans. Saruman can promise they can abide in peace however.

As for Umbar Elrond will offer a fellowship of Rivendell-raised rangers who can pass for Black Numenoreans to disturb what they can waiting for an occasion to do more. Saruman will grumble about Alatar was the envoy of the Valar to the South. Lothiriel will urge her kin in Dol Amroth to remain vigilant while providing refuge to Hassan's followers.

On unrelated matters, Celeborn will profit of the fact he has no longer enemies on his western border to attack Dol Guldur with Thranduil

Saruman will reveal Sauron was surely in Dol Guldur since he saw the Gladden Fields with the Palantir and there were Orcs searching the River.

tl:dr: If things happens according to plan you can have an inhabitable Arnor, a peace between Dunland and Rohan and Greenwood again.
 
This is going to be epic. Literally, there probably is going to be great many poems and song written about such a coordinated attack against the forces of darkness.
 
Let's hope no one critfails then. Like Arador did in canon when he somehow got caprured and eaten by hill trolls. Or like Arathorn did and got one-shot with an arrow through the eye by orcs he was hunting with Elrond's sons.

Or like the dwarves of Belegost and Elu Thingol critfailed at diplomacy simultaneously during the Nauglamir fiasco. That would really suck.
 
Let's hope no one critfails then. Like Arador did in canon when he somehow got caprured and eaten by hill trolls. Or like Arathorn did and got one-shot with an arrow through the eye by orcs he was hunting with Elrond's sons.

Or like the dwarves of Belegost and Elu Thingol critfailed at diplomacy simultaneously during the Nauglamir fiasco. That would really suck.

TBF Elu Thingol was an idiot. I mean he single-handedly caused the Fall of Doriath by speaking aloud he wanted a Silmaril. The gems were cursed and he knew it. Also his Diplomacy probably sucked. Remember how he greeted Beren who came with the Ring of Felagund, Finrod that Thingol actually liked!
 
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