She made a pretty good entrance, no-selling a fresh Legend.

By the way, you misunderstood how I meant stringing those thoughts together: please put all of them into one block, so they get counted as one.
better that way?

Also noticed she is Unaligned unlike the Ruin girls. So we can nudge her in a direction if we want to.
 
[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
-[X] [Thoughts] We should wait and see
-[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
--[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...

In Madokami I trust, so hope it is. I'd also like to get a second impression on the girls here so we'll wait and see, for a little while. And I agree violence is not the first answer to the world's problems - but I certainly don't want to fall into the corollary of that saying: "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent." We should find a different last resort.

[X] [Stay] Wait for Iron and Mirror (at least three weeks)

[X] Work on new magic
-[X] Ask someone for help
--[X] Eye of Truth
--[X] She knows our affinities and she has records of others. She might point us to someone interesting at least. Be it here or at Kibo in the future.

[X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
-[X] Soul Queller

Edit: Edited to follow author's formatting request.
Also, as answer @LightLan - Truth is loyal to Knight and insightful enough to know we won't stay. And yet the fact Knight has an accord with Kibo means she shouldn't be opposed to helping us that much. AND she did tell us of Life Link.
 
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Additionally, for those interested in working on new magic: while you can ask anyone for help, some girls are busy and do not have the time to help you... or do not want to. If you choose one of those, you will loose the slot due to the time spent finding them plus talking plus being shot down plus moping.

[X] Work on new magic
-[X] Ask someone for help
--[X] Eye of Truth
--[X] She knows our affinities and she has records of others. She might point us to someone interesting at least. Be it here or at Kibo in the future.
she seemed to be having a bad day, and while generally sympathetic to us, she is loyal to Knight and may refuse on those terms.
 
Now it is correct.

[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
Because Madokami said so.

[X] [Thoughts] We should wait and see
We will look at these girls, and see how they are.

[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
-[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
Agreed.
By the way, you misunderstood how I meant stringing those thoughts together: please put all of them into one block, so they get counted as one.
Like this, please:
[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
-[X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
-[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
--[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
 
The last part was directed at you, but you just shakes your heads.
'shake'
So these guys don't actually have a workable plan, and about the only thing uniting them is the absense of hope. Shame. That's a dud of a faction right there. I guess they are still around because Kibo - which is 'Hope' - believes they can be made to reconsider... or because the Yiggs find new recruits for them who do give some thoughts to the future.

What a waste of potential, though. They could have built up their own meguca country on the principle of might as a guarantor of right, blowing up any incursions by human factions and providing asylum to the awakened who manage to flee human lands. Instead they are choosing a collective suicide/death wish under the guise of 'peace' for ideology. Meh. Makes me kinda disappointed and completely unsympathetic, much more so than their bloodthirsty tendencies.

Might string some thoughts together to that effect, but later...
 
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[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
-[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
-[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...

[X] [Stay] Stay for three weeks

[X] Spend time with someone
-[X] Dragon Maid
Pester her for Ignis favourite food? Moon still hasn't managed to get that answer.

[X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
-[X] Soul Queller

[X] EXP-Plan all is equal
-[X] All is Equal
-[X] 130 EXP left
 
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You think they don't have a plan just because Abyss Knight will not tell you about it? She has plans, and quite a few of them.
I am not sure I can consider an obliteration by Kibo, by UES, by Nightmare Child (I don't know her, but I get the feeling she expects something from the world still), or by their own hand if they succeed by some miracle a proper plan.

It's just below the 'let's destroy the world to erase all suffering' on the scale of lunatic cliched villain plots.

These guys have no future... but I guess that's the point of the faction.
 
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I am not sure I can consider an obliteration by Kibo, by UES, by Nightmare Child (I don't know her, but I get the feeling she expects something from the world still), or by their own hand if they succeed by some miracle a proper plan.

It's just below the 'let's destropy the world to erase all suffering' on the scale of lunatic cliched villain plots.

These guys have no future... but I guess that's the point of the faction.

That is how it seems. Yggdrasil is a group of children (yes 16 years old girls and so on are still childs for me) and they have lost their hope. Like Bianca said, it is like a superpowered tantrum. Therefore they just want to kill everything that hurts them. They would want to make the world a planet without humans than live in a world that hurts them.

If you look at most of the girls with that age today, it is frightening how accurate this is.

EDIT: not every "bad" group has some great and evil goal, besides the point that nearly all is cliche today .... maybe something different will happen or appear and abyss knight is just our mid-game-boss :V
 
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What we've seen of Abyss Knight's philosophy seems to be the natural conclusion of "I just want it to stop"

She really just wants peace, but no longer beleven it can be achieved in a world that still has humans in it. Remember that she said herself that she'd be happy if Kibo were to succeed, and I don't doubt that most, if not all, of her followers feel the same
 
[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
-[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
-[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...

[X] [Stay] Stay for a week

[X] Spend time with someone
-[X] Dragon Maid

[X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
-[X] Soul Queller

[X] EXP-Plan all is equal
-[X] All is Equal
-[X] 130 EXP left
 
[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
-[X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
-[X] [Thoughts] Bad things are sometimes done for good reasons.
-[X] [Thoughts] We are all people, even when some people are scary or strange.

[X] EXP-Plan Connection
-[X] Complete Connection 380 EXP

[X] [Stay] Wait for Iron and Mirror (at least three weeks)

Uhh, I unfortunately did most of my thoughts on discord but I will point out how Knight didn't outright deny another solution existing just that she won't be the one to find it or believe in it, that'll be up to us I figure.

I'm actually sorely tempted to stay and help them, not kill people I mean, I don't know how they'd react to Sun and moon being as hopeful and innocent as they are but it's rather fatalistic here.
Adhoc vote count started by MilitaryAaa on Nov 14, 2017 at 3:07 AM, finished with 1695 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] EXP-Plan all is equal
    -[X] All is Equal
    -[X] 130 EXP left
    [X] [Stay] Stay for a week
    [X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
    -[X] Soul Queller
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    -[X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
    -[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    --[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
    [X] Spend time with someone
    -[X] Dragon Maid
    [X] Explore why Rico gets brighter by day and you at night
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    [X] [Stay] Wait for Iron and Mirror (at least three weeks)
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    -[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    -[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
    [X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    [X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
    -[X] Ruin Red and Ruin Purple
    [X] [Thoughts] We are all people, even when some people are scary or strange.
    [X] [Thoughts] Bad things are sometimes done for good reasons.
    [X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
    [X] [Thoughts] We should wait and see
    [X] Work on new magic
    -[X] Ask someone for help
    --[X] Eye of Truth
    --[X] She knows our affinities and she has records of others. She might point us to someone interesting at least. Be it here or at Kibo in the future.
    [X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    -[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
    [X] Learn more about history
    [X] [Stay] Leave as soon as possible (no time spent)
    [X] Work on new magic
    -[X] By yourself
    [X] EXP-Plan Connection
    -[X] Complete Connection 380 EXP

Adhoc vote count started by MilitaryAaa on Nov 14, 2017 at 12:37 PM, finished with 1716 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] [Stay] Stay for a week
    [X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
    -[X] Soul Queller
    [X] EXP-Plan all is equal
    -[X] All is Equal
    -[X] 130 EXP left
    [X] [Stay] Wait for Iron and Mirror (at least three weeks)
    [X] EXP-Plan Connection
    -[X] Complete Connection 380 EXP
    [X] Explore why Rico gets brighter by day and you at night
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    -[X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
    -[X] [Thoughts] Bad things are sometimes done for good reasons.
    -[X] [Thoughts] We are all people, even when some people are scary or strange.
    [X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
    -[X] Ruin Red and Ruin Purple
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    -[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    -[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    -[X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
    -[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    --[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
    [X] Spend time with someone
    -[X] Dragon Maid
    [X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    [X] Work on new magic
    -[X] Ask someone for help
    --[X] Eye of Truth
    --[X] She knows our affinities and she has records of others. She might point us to someone interesting at least. Be it here or at Kibo in the future.
    [X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
    -[X] [Thoughts] We should wait and see
    -[X] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on
    --[X] [Thoughts] You will defend those you care for. Preferably nonlethal, but if need be...
    [X] [Stay] Leave as soon as possible (no time spent)
    [X] Maybe you can do something with your Affinities? Big Sister does this thing where she sits around for an hour and does nothing... meditating, maybe?
    [X] Learn more about history
 
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Im not entirely sure Knight even wants to find another way to achieve peace. If she did it would mean that she may have murdered countless humans for no reason.
 
Im not entirely sure Knight even wants to find another way to achieve peace. If she did it would mean that she may have murdered countless humans for no reason.
It's not that she wants to find another solution simply because she already has one and is sticking to it, it's just one we don't want, but rather if Kibo manages to do it then she'll be happy as long as it works saving magical girls.
She sighs and massages her temples, then gives you another stern look. "Just let me be clear about this: you want to save them and I want to end them. No matter what happens, we might end up as enemies in the future if you continue with that mindset."

She is not angry or sad or something like that, just... calm. Huh, that is probably how it is, you can see what she means. "Maybe... but you can still change your mind, too."

Rico's words actually make her giggle and the older girl hides her mouth with a hand. "Sorry, but that's not possible. I don't believe in it anymore. Maybe you do find a way... and if you do, I'll be as glad as anyone else. Just don't think I'll help you with something I'm sure won't work.
Whatever happened to her made her believe there is no other option but genocide... which is really bad make no mistake but if there is another way by her own words she shouldn't be against it if it's actually possible in her eyes.
 
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Lets see, this deserves some thought at least.
ring as many statements together as you see fit)

[] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope

True and desirable.

[] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt

Not necessarily true, but a good belief. WILL make things difficult in combat, but considering Sun's beams, this will lead to emotional pain as well...well good thing we have a coping mechanism

[] [Thoughts] We should wait and see

Generally a good idea, but it does mean giving up the initiative.

[] [Thoughts] There are people that violence is okay to use on

Well, this is true enough but I don't think we want to internalize this.

[] [Thoughts] There is no hope left
[] [Thoughts] Innocence is a lie

Too bleak. Pass.

[X] [Thoughts] It is never wrong to have hope
-[X] [Thoughts] No one deserves to be hurt
-[X] [Thoughts] Bad things are sometimes done for good reasons.
-[X] [Thoughts] We are all people, even when some people are scary or strange.
[X] [Stay] Wait for Iron and Mirror (at least three weeks)
[X] Explore why Rico gets brighter by day and you at night
[X] Maybe someone here wants to train with you?
-[X] Ruin Red and Ruin Purple
[X] EXP-Plan Connection
-[X] Complete Connection 380 EXP

I put my own write ins too.
And I think we should take the opportunity to train up while we can. This group is combat oriented, so learning how to actually fight would get rid of the Total Noob penalty.

...and I suspect there's a perk behind Ruin Red/Purple? They're the first paired set we've met, so they'd have a better idea how to align two different fighting styles.

Finally, we've had it mentioned repeatedly: Connection is our most important trait. Upgrade it all the way while we have the XP and nothing urgent on.
 
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Veekie i dont think we need/should level the connection yet and i dont think it is our most important trait. All is Equal is something i can understand, because we need to level our combat abilitys (and mostly our defense) where we still can. It is true that nothing is urgent yet, but if we just level up our defense if we are in combat we will die sooner or later, because 1-2 levels in defense wont be enough.

We should start level us more balanced. The connection can wait now and we should really focus on our other aspects too. Basically i would say we should aim on Evas defense a bit more and maybe even work towards veil of the lunar goddess. Because Eva can do finally the thing that is her role: be a tank and protect Rico in a fight.
 
Veekie i dont think we need/should level the connection yet and i dont think it is our most important trait. All is Equal is something i can understand, because we need to level our combat abilitys (and mostly our defense) where we still can. It is true that nothing is urgent yet, but if we just level up our defense if we are in combat we will die sooner or later, because 1-2 levels in defense wont be enough.

We should start level us more balanced. The connection can wait now and we should really focus on our other aspects too. Basically i would say we should aim on Evas defense a bit more and maybe even work towards veil of the lunar goddess. Because Eva can do finally the thing that is her role: be a tank and protect Rico in a fight.
Word of GM directly says the connection is our biggest thing here.
 
We can level it in a week after we depart.

Sadly I expect Abyss Knight to reprise in an antagonist role eventually. Which is why I'd like to postpone the more in-depth research of our own nature until we're no longer in Yggdrassil's stronghold.

Unless you would like to fall into despair and witch out... Err, wrong setting. Somewhat.

Unless you would like to join her.

Also, now worried about Shiva/Sil being a participant.
 
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