Okay fair enough. I do think talking to her should be a priority but I am willing to let the matter wait until Rostam is in a better headspace.
[X] Pollux
Fate/Hollow Order
Okay fair enough. I do think talking to her should be a priority but I am willing to let the matter wait until Rostam is in a better headspace.
[X] Pollux
Nidhoggr
Suletta Permetta
- Pronouns
- He/Him
...
Oops, wrong franchise
Wow, Emiya really is a faker, even his ideals were lifted from someone else.
EDIT: WOW, I had a massive brainfart and completely forgot about Kiritsugu's existence and role in shaping Shirou's ideology.
Anyway, I'm going to vote for Penthesilea-
Well Tenfold, looks like you won me over. Not because of any sensible arguments that you might have made while I was typing this, but because my other option was tainted.
[X] Pollux
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- Location
- Southern Virginia
[x] Blackbeard.
We need to rob Astolfo of his loot!
For bonus points we need to get Marian's help. She was a part of Robin Hoods crew after all, so she should be real good at the whole "robbing the haves to give to the have-nots" thing.
So what you're saying there is that Rostam needs to plunder Astolfo's booty?
And with that I think you've made many, many enemies today...
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Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
No no no nonononono.
Think about it.
Rostam: (dead inside monotone)
"Hello....Medea....how...are....you....
Medea:
"Fuck. Everything."
Rostam:
".......I know, right? Just....just fuck it! All of it!"
Medea:
"Just fuck everything!"
Rostam:
"Fuck everything! All of it!"
Medea:
"Just fuck all of it!"
(Medea Bond Level increased)
It's not completely outside the realm of possibility.
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- Location
- Caracas
None that I know off and to make matters worse, as Illya proved, it is possible to force the stock of lives to regen. So, yeah, herc is ridiculously durable and nigh invincible.
- Location
- Canadia
[X] Medea
I'm no expert in narrative flow or psychology or anything, but I think letting the elfmom stew without checking in on her is a Bad Idea personally.
I'm no expert in narrative flow or psychology or anything, but I think letting the elfmom stew without checking in on her is a Bad Idea personally.
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
Is that a Strange Fake reference I see?
Holy shit it is.
Kickass.
Anyway, vote:
[X] Penthesilea.
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Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Okay so right off the bat, you are not wrong.
Yes, it is entirely possible that Medea and Rostam being in a room together will end bitterly.
Yes Medea is generally among the more stable and emotionally mature of our Servants, which honestly says more about our roster than her, but I digress.
And yes Medea does have a direct line to our head and she is not afraid to use it for her own amusement and curiosity.
All of that is true.
However, I think that you are making the easy mistake of conflating "Having the capability" to "will necessarily do it when they feel they need support." It's a quite reasonable assumption certainly, but in your view of Medea as the mature Servant that she is, you are forgetting how she acts normally.
To put it simply, she is a lot like Rostam and I don't mean that in a shipping way. I mean that as in I could honestly see our Medea to be what Rostam would be like if he were older, even more bitter and also female at least in terms of general attitude. They are both sheltered individuals who through acts have fate have been thrown into ordeals that they were mentally and emotionally completely unprepared for. And while they both learned to adapt and to survive, their instinctual response to a lot of the shit that the world throws at them is to repress, repress and sulk away in their own corner. Preferring to keep everything bottled up and deal with their issues by themselves, and sharing their fears only with a specific few that have labored to chip through and earn their trust.
Just as Rostam isn't really comfortable to go out and talk to others about his own internal demons, the same applies to Medea. Rostam has become better with this because his job and the situation has forced him go come out of his shell just a little. But by contrast Medea has only had that tendency reinforced by Chaldea what with the locking her up in a cell and then people being mostly content to let her do whatever in her workshop.
So no. I very much doubt that Medea will use the Servant-Master Link to talk to Rostam about her issues or even give an inkling to them. She will certainly use the link as an way of gathering information and take advantage of the tactical edge it'd give her, but nothing more, because it's simply not something she'd consider doing.
Now normally, I wouldn't judge. People are allowed to do what Medea does and it's not that unhealthy in most circumstances. However in this context, it's very much not the same. This entire singularity was already emotionally charged for her from the start, but then she had to face someone she never wanted to see again and then lost to another version of herself in a contest of magic, the thing that she prided herself on. Something that resulted in her being heavily injured and having to be carried off the field and flee from herself and a phantom of her past.
That is not a recipe for mental wellbeing.
I'm not saying that having Rostam go see her right now will go well. I'm not saying that Rostam is good at communicating with her. I'm not even saying that Rostam is the best man for the job. Chiron or Karna might have been better, but well they are down and will be down for a long fucking time. And no one else is going to take the initiative to really approach her. So Rostam is the only one who can by process of elimination.
And even if this does end bitterly, well at least we'd know what her mental state is like, instead of just assumptions because she's been keeping up a godly pokerface for the most part.
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Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
So I was b UT
The Radu we saw was a shit, but can I just have this one please?
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
Lilithium, one must accept both the bad and the good of their husbando.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I dunno if I can consider the worldlet one the same as the summoned one tho =\
I mean for one, this ver isn't working for demons and trying to kill everyone as a matter of course? Just the things he says seems different. But it's been a fucking whiiiiiile and I'm tired so I dunno.
Deadly Snark
Tryhard As Fuck
All Servants are invariably a facet of the truth. The Worldlet One is one that had all his hopes crushed by a greater being, while the summoned one had comrades and a partner to give him hope.
It's why the Male MC earns the moniker of Sultan, because to Radu that's what Mehmed was. Hope for a better future.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
- Location
- Bedroom
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Look
I'm just trying to say they have a different vibe man I didn't... I didn't dispute any of that bruh. I know this thing. But summon Radu is higher tier that's factual I don't see enemy Radu giving me a pimped out Quran
Or loving Turkish Delight
Ergo Archer of Dawn > Enemy Radu
Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
Look, it's simple.
It's all Vlad's fault.
No, I'm serious. You put the two of them together, and they just hammer on one another's buttons, and the next thing you know Radu's monologuing about how everyone should just accept that the Apocalypse is coming & they can't do shit about it and Vlad has turned into Literally Satan.
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[X] Astolfo.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Ah, how far this thread has come.
Back in my day, 'people who blow up due to Bond Levels' were compared to Miyu.
Back in my day, 'people who blow up due to Bond Levels' were compared to Miyu.
Dirtnap
Kanmusu Affecionado
pls no bully.
LaRed
Are you stupid or something
- Location
- Mou Ikkai hell
Look if describing Billy's rubber suit didn't scare people off I doubt bazpingo will.
Or Dee
See this? This is the Circle of Grief. Rostam is in the center right now. That means he can't and shouldn't deal with anybody who could make things worse... And it also means that he is not able to provide the needed support that other people who also suffered would need. Rostam is not able to help people right now. Rostam needs help himself.
Seeing some of the comments and remembering when I saw this Circle of Grief mentioned in a thread on SB/SV is what drove me to post this now.
I greatly disagree with this.
When it comes to a tragedy or disaster or great suffering, you absolutely want people who will selflessly treat with you.
Marian's actions of not criticizing, saying anything bad about/to Rostam, and above all NOT reacting poorly to his lashing out, were exactly correct.
I am reminded of an old thread on SB or SV I read that mentioned something called the "circle of grief." It's the idea that when dealing with grief or tragedy, there's a directions for how stress or support or lashing out should flow. Namely, that the person most affected should not be burdened further, and the people around them are not to add to that burden.
Article: When Susan had breast cancer, we heard a lot of lame remarks, but our favorite came from one of Susan's colleagues. She wanted, she needed, to visit Susan after the surgery, but Susan didn't feel like having visitors, and she said so. Her colleague's response? "This isn't just about you."
"It's not?" Susan wondered. "My breast cancer is not about me? It's about you?"
The same theme came up again when our friend Katie had a brain aneurysm. She was in intensive care for a long time and finally got out and into a step-down unit. She was no longer covered with tubes and lines and monitors, but she was still in rough shape. A friend came and saw her and then stepped into the hall with Katie's husband, Pat. "I wasn't prepared for this," she told him. "I don't know if I can handle it."
This woman loves Katie, and she said what she did because the sight of Katie in this condition moved her so deeply. But it was the wrong thing to say. And it was wrong in the same way Susan's colleague's remark was wrong.
Susan has since developed a simple technique to help people avoid this mistake. It works for all kinds of crises: medical, legal, financial, romantic, even existential. She calls it the Ring Theory.
Draw a circle. This is the center ring. In it, put the name of the person at the center of the current trauma. For Katie's aneurysm, that's Katie. Now draw a larger circle around the first one. In that ring put the name of the person next closest to the trauma. In the case of Katie's aneurysm, that was Katie's husband, Pat. Repeat the process as many times as you need to. In each larger ring put the next closest people. Parents and children before more distant relatives. Intimate friends in smaller rings, less intimate friends in larger ones. When you are done you have a Kvetching Order. One of Susan's patients found it useful to tape it to her refrigerator.
Here are the rules. The person in the center ring can say anything she wants to anyone, anywhere. She can kvetch and complain and whine and moan and curse the heavens and say, "Life is unfair" and "Why me?" That's the one payoff for being in the center ring.
Everyone else can say those things too, but only to people in larger rings.
When you are talking to a person in a ring smaller than yours, someone closer to the center of the crisis, the goal is to help. Listening is often more helpful than talking. But if you're going to open your mouth, ask yourself if what you are about to say is likely to provide comfort and support. If it isn't, don't say it. Don't, for example, give advice. People who are suffering from trauma don't need advice. They need comfort and support. So say, "I'm sorry" or "This must really be hard for you" or "Can I bring you a pot roast?" Don't say, "You should hear what happened to me" or "Here's what I would do if I were you." And don't say, "This is really bringing me down."
If you want to scream or cry or complain, if you want to tell someone how shocked you are or how icky you feel, or whine about how it reminds you of all the terrible things that have happened to you lately, that's fine. It's a perfectly normal response. Just do it to someone in a bigger ring.
Comfort IN, dump OUT.
There was nothing wrong with Katie's friend saying she was not prepared for how horrible Katie looked, or even that she didn't think she could handle it. The mistake was that she said those things to Pat. She dumped IN.
"So say, "I'm sorry" or "This must really be hard for you" or "Can I bring you a pot roast?" Don't say, "You should hear what happened to me" or "Here's what I would do if I were you." And don't say, "This is really bringing me down." "
Right now, Rostam is one of the people in the center of that circle.
This means he needs to be dealing with people who won't get into a misery contest. People won't lash out at him themselves because they're also in a bad state.
So this means that visiting Medea would not be good for Rostam... and also that visiting Medea would not be good for Medea.
Unloading more trouble on Medea would not help her. And neither would her unloading more trouble on Rostam. Right now, they're both in a bad position to be able to offer any help or healing to the other!
He absolutely should be dealing with more Marians than Medea's right now.
Unfortunately, Rostam is not really in the place to offer help right now. He needs help himself and he won't be good at offering help until and unless he recovers more at first.
So yeah what these people -- GiftOfLove and TenfoldShields -- are saying are exactly correct.
As for who to throw in a vote for... not sure whether to vote for Pollux or Astolfo right now.
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Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Dee didn't die due to lacking bond levels, he died from being in between a counter guardian and his prey.Or Dee
This is unlike Miyu and Jeanne, who due to their character development in-quest decided that the optimal plan of action was to blow themselves and all the bad guys to kingdom come.
As Tenfold points out, Astolfo might have actually clutched the save in this encounter, which was what made me think of going for him, because Rostam needs good news.
Sure, Astolfo probably might not feel like he saved the day -- because of how shit everything feels -- and could feel inadequate or a failure, and so could require a pep talk himself... But, hear me out, I think they could help each other here! Because of the kind of person Rostam is, and the kind of person Astolfo is. Namely that Astolfo is a cheery and friendly type; if he is brought out of a funk, his natural personality would be conducive to helping.
And as for Rostam... whoo boy. Because I think Rostam will be able to recognize how Astolfo tipped the scales in key situations. Rostam has ever felt himself inadequate in comparison to Servants; we've seen from the last two updates how he reacts to the thought that they might be below him in anything... He just sorta idolizes them, while putting himself down, you know? Which I think means that Rostam will see the upside of what Astolfo did and how he might have clutched the fight for them there; thus cheering Astolfo up (if he needs cheering up). So. Yeah.
That's why I think it might be a good pick, even if it turns out that Astolfo is moping himself. Because of how Rostam is, and how Astolfo is.