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I mean,cultivating with impure chi doesn't usually end well for many xianxia characters so rest assured we should only use the finest Chi/warp energy to cultivate ?
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
I… might keep things at an arms length, just until things develop out a bit more and we see where things go. I just really feel that trying to climb the totem pole to try to get power to get out of this runs the risk of ending up just being a Chaos psyker, and most of my favourite cultivation stories tend to be the ones where it's about defying the heavens in more than just words.
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I think we can avoid becoming chaos sorcerers by avoiding chaos aligned cultivation resources we aren't sure we can purify, staying away from chaotic artifacts or sorcery and not accept any blessings offered.

We should expand our influence amongst our peers using our alchemy skill, leverage it to get resources that wouldn't corrupt us, and be useful enough soldier that we would be given access to a ship, and enough knowledge to use it, than we run away.

Maybe we gather a fleet and come back to our world, maybe we hunt the tyranids or orks or go to catachan for cultivation resources.

But first we need to be in position to steal a ship, preferably while being able to take others because I expect we would grow attached to some characters before we can run.
 
Remember, getting bloody revenge on the guys who forced you to do things you didn't have the power to deny is never out of genre.

Also Yon has empathy and morals. He's in a screwed up society from birth, but when power is everything no one can tell you you are wrong when you do what you wish.
 
Cornuthaum said:
Chaos is an opportunity for glory, for power, for Ascension. REally, the only bad part about it is the brutal conscription of the sect and their disregard for Yon's culture as "savages", not the fact it's Chaos.
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Chaos hollows you out and make you a parody of yourself, a slave to the gods there to feed their hunger foe suffering, of yourself or others, ascension through the chaos gods is becoming heir puppet, and a cancer on anything decent in the galaxy.

The ultimate goal of chaos ends in eternal torture of everything.

Sure, they offer you power, glory and sometimes immortality, but it isn't worth it, especially when we are already cultivators and can do all of it ourselves.
 
Cornuthaum said:
Chaos is an opportunity for glory, for power, for Ascension. REally, the only bad part about it is the brutal conscription of the sect and their disregard for Yon's culture as "savages", not the fact it's Chaos.
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No, it's a dead end. It's the equivalent of a Heavenly level cultivator deliberately manipulating events to put everyone below them on a dead end path so that they can maintain their power forever. It's the ultimate form of a bottleneck and subjugation, because by pledging yourself to the Chaos gods you cannot rise above the Chaos Gods.

You might get Glory, but never truly for yourself. You might get power, but never anything that might let you actually be a peer or a rival, and if they think you're on that path they'll nip you in the bud. You might Ascend, but only to be one of their servants forevermore.

It's deliberately limiting yourself in a genre all about surpassing all limitations. I think we can do better than going from Va's boytoy to Slaanesh's.

Academia Nut said:
Remember, getting bloody revenge on the guys who forced you to do things you didn't have the power to deny is never out of genre.

Also Yon has empathy and morals. He's in a screwed up society from birth, but when power is everything no one can tell you you are wrong when you do what you wish.
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I'd usually not bother with bloody revenge tropes, but I can make an exception for these guys.
 
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I'm not generally interested in Team Evil quests but I'm willing to see where things go and decide. 40k has some of the most wildly disparate takes of any setting among fanworks (and official works too tbh).
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
No, it's a dead end. It's the equivalent of a Heavenly level cultivator deliberately manipulating events to put everyone below them on a dead end path so that they can maintain their power forever. It's the ultimate form of a bottleneck and subjugation, because by pledging yourself to the Chaos gods you cannot rise above the Chaos Gods.

You might get Glory, but never truly for yourself. You might get power, but never anything that might let you actually be a peer or a rival, and if they think you're on that path they'll nip you in the bud. You might Ascend, but only to be one of their servants forevermore.

It's deliberately limiting yourself in a genre all about surpassing all limitations. I think we can do better than going from Va's boytoy to Slaanesh's.
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You can ascend by going chaos undivided, which is why the gods sometimes snip those guys when a chaos undivided daemon get too big for his breeches, I can think about three such demons, one was crippled, another is currently working on it and wasn't crippled because he is their weapons dealer, another is Samus, nobody takes Samus seriously.

If any of those ascended, they would just be minsters like the chaos gods, another blight to existence, tormenting mortals for food and amusement while giving nothing to the galaxy that isn't poisoned.
 
Roth963 said:
If any of those ascended, they would just be minsters like the chaos gods, another blight to existence, tormenting mortals for food and amusement while giving nothing to the galaxy that isn't poisoned.
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Sounds like the average divine realm cultivator to me, which doesn't meet nearly the opprobrium Chaos gets :V
 
The3rdCorinthian said:
No, it's a dead end. It's the equivalent of a Heavenly level cultivator deliberately manipulating events to put everyone below them on a dead end path so that they can maintain their power forever. It's the ultimate form of a bottleneck and subjugation, because by pledging yourself to the Chaos gods you cannot rise above the Chaos Gods.

You might get Glory, but never truly for yourself. You might get power, but never anything that might let you actually be a peer or a rival, and if they think you're on that path they'll nip you in the bud. You might Ascend, but only to be one of their servants forevermore.

It's deliberately limiting yourself in a genre all about surpassing all limitations. I think we can do better than going from Va's boytoy to Slaanesh's.


I'd usually not bother with bloody revenge tropes, but I can make an exception for these guys.
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I, uh, feel like I should point out the Great Horned Rat, aka the minor Chaos being that took over the Skaven, basically lived entirely off the Big Four's table scraps, and then proceeded to overthrow fucking Slaanesh him/her/itself. Like, the Chaos Gods don't want it to happen, they'll work against it happening, but ascending as a new Chaos God is entirely possible.
 
To be fair, the Great Horned Rat isn't exactly a great role-model for someone with approximately baseline human levels of decency like Yon, either...
 
Aabcehmu said:
To be fair, the Great Horned Rat isn't exactly a great role-model for someone with approximately baseline human levels of decency like Yon, either...
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And is also another example of someone proceeding to do exactly what I describe - Skaven Society is entirely about everyone being about to backstab and sabotage each other thus ensuring that those at the top are never truly challenged or risk being overthrown.

...Skaven cultivator quest when? :V
 
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Yeah, I have a feeling we were purposefully put into one of the most 'we've gotta get the fuck out of this organization,' situations we could reasonably be put into on purpose to encourage getting the fuck out and finding our own way.

To that end, I do not think it wise to count on staying in said Chaos Marines. I rather suspect we're going to have to bide our time, learn what the fuck is going on, and figure out when and how to make a run for it. Which... kinda tracks for the xianxia genre.

If our goal is to punch the gods and defy heaven and fate, there are few universes more deserving of that than 40K.
 
Also, like, Yon is currently looking like he'll be a squad leader of traitor guardsmen. It really wouldn't be terribly unlikely for his immediate superiors to all just get-got by conflicts internal or external, even without any scheming on Yon's part.
 
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Aabcehmu said:
Also, like, Yon is currently looking like he'll be a squad leader of traitor guardsman. It really wouldn't be terribly unlikely for his immediate superiors to all just get-got by conflicts internal or external, even without any scheming on Yon's part.
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Not traitor guardsman but our fellow sect mates, those that didn't volunteer.
 
Roth963 said:
Not traitor guardsman but our fellow sect mates, those that didn't volunteer.
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Right, yes, I more so meant that our superiors are traitor guardsmen. The fact that our subordinates are actually from Yon's old hometown, so to speak, should hopefully make retaining their loyalty while jumping off the eventual sinking ship even easier.
 
Aabcehmu said:
Right, yes, I more so meant that our superiors are traitor guardsmen. The fact that our subordinates are actually from Yon's old hometown, so to speak, should hopefully make retaining their loyalty while jumping off the eventual sinking ship even easier.
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Hopefully we can trade around favors, maybe we can get more arts by giving them alchemy pills.
 
[X] Special: Iron Kettle Belly

There's no qi in the food. If Yon wants to simply maintain his cultivation, let alone advance it, he needs to get better at accumulating qi in an environment that very much lacks it.
 
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