[X] Nurma Kessal is a young prodigy in her second century of life
That is actually really funny. I'll vote for it.
That is actually really funny. I'll vote for it.
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[X] Nurma Kessal is a genius in her third century of life
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I voted for third century, but if anyone needs to feel better about it, the personal stats of the ruler of Avernus don't matter all that much. It's not as if we were constantly rolling Rotbart's stats outside of when we had him go personally take command in war.
The most consequential things that Nurma does are the things you as players always do, putting together plans for what the vast apparatus of Avernus will devote its resources to. And that's not even a matter of character stats. The power is, as always, in your hands as players.
The most consequential things that Nurma does are the things you as players always do, putting together plans for what the vast apparatus of Avernus will devote its resources to. And that's not even a matter of character stats. The power is, as always, in your hands as players.
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uh no? very plausible that we get some traits that matter here; and not just in the hypothetical "if we get paragon" sense either.
rotbarts martial-stats made a huge difference every turn by reducing wildlife death,
the admin-trait one of our advisors had cut time off a bunch of our actions even while it wasn't paragon-level (IE: traits matter even if you assume we never hit paragon).
the traits also often come with skill-buffs that tie into how well....most actions in the turn-by-turn of the quest go? you know, the little part where we roll to see how well <blank> action went? yeah, some actions diden't have them or the rolls were guaranteed...but often they were guaranteed because of stats and regardless---there were alot that DID.
No, see I'm trying to make people feel better with a plausible story of the game where they can relax and not feel bad if they didn't get their preferred results.
You appear to have taken it as making an argument about the vote, but the vote's over.
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That your trying to make people feel better doesn't change anything; people should learn coping mechanism's that don't involve false statements about the situation at hand.
Come up with something that isn't reliant on false statements or premises and I won't argue with it.
New questions and answers. The Planetmind finding out what Aria was, dismissing it as impossible, and then spending 90 years to find out it was really the case is hilarious.
1) For a defence screen ship, should I aim for Speed 6, 9, or 11? Pros/Con of the options:
6: Highest durability (~12.4 HP+Shields), same speed as generalist fleet. (Or same durability as S9, but 10% CP cheaper)
9: Mid Durability (~10.56 HP+Shields), no other ship has speed 9 so a bit awkward on deployment.
11: Lowest durability (~8 HP + Shields), same speed as harass fleet.
(All have the same firepower, 1 E NL + 1 E Hanger)
1) either 6 for the HP or 11 to act as a patrol cutter
1) Is this trait too strong, weak, or about right? (Gravhook Corvette designed for minimum possible cost)
-1 Speed, -10% Weapons, - 6 Power, -22% Cost, 66% Hangers
1) maybe make it -20% cost
1) Do Avernites have any unusual hair or eye colors, like how IIRC Cadians had purple eyes as relatively common?
1) name a trait, they have it
1) What does a point of innate or acquired trait look like?
1) +2 to one stat, +1 to a second
2) Will the Necrons be contributing tech to the Grand Conclave? If so, what's the theme?
2) no
4) A lack of real benefit if they do so, due to how different their tech bases are?
4) that plus not wnating to share plus taking so long to teach its not viable
1) Would Avernus have/made a Guardian/Animal group whose thing is basically challenging potential heroes to make them trait-up faster?
1) animal not guardian
1) Is there a valid Knowing Avernus action for looking at that one generation that were born and came of age entirely in the pocket dimension during the eighteen-something-year-long (625 AFA to 643 AFA) Grand Incursion, and how that's affected them?
1) yes
1) Has the Trust socially progressed enough that Avernites with more unusual phenotypes don't get issues over that when offworld? Or are there still some places where they'd get called mutants or something?
1) it depends on where
But the issues are more like modern racism then anything imperial
1) How many galaxies did the Tyranids eat, including their galaxy of origin and excluding the Milky Way?
1) according the the necrons, at least 1
1) How does Gobbochev feel about Orks these days without Gork and Mork's influence?
1) brutes who get in the way of proper organisation
1) How about an Island Turtle that learned how to shrink itself and now teaches Kung Fu in a mountain monastery?
1) not really possible
one cursed to not ever grow bigger however...
1) If we designed Psythrone strike fighter/landing craft, how much more expensive would it be to also make Astartes variants. Because I am sure Astartes would love to be able to call their Librarians bus drivers.
1) not notably
2) From Ridcully's perspective, did something actively conceal their actual state from his scrying, or did he just never look in that much detail?
2) they had ka defences concealing a lot
And including it turns out a hole lot of wrecked stuff that was thought to be intact
1) What's the distribution of power like for the Triumvirate? Is their power generally invested in greater deva, lesser deva, blessings, personal?
a) How variable is it?
1) its pretty flexable
but biggest outlay tends to be blessings
2) Does this work? Kilbark
2) barring the seeminly mundane in conversation
that just does not work for a primal god
1) Does this instead work?
3) Is it only this galaxy that had C'tan and Old Ones?
3) unknown
5) Assuming Areatha's here would her perspective be that the necrons as a whole can accept this because the Revanchists and supremecist factions have taken quite a few knocks recently? Otherwise their pride may well have kept them going down their current route until they were all fucked. Well that and hatred/existential fear of the Dragon?
5) mix of that the the Silent King putting his foot down
he is not exactly an absolute ruler
but he has a good bit of ower when he cares to use it
6) What are the odds Areatha's been venting to Rotbart or others about how frustrating the necrons have been? Since she'd probably have been in position to notice this first and couldn't say anything for diplomatic reasons.
6) pretty high
7) Could Ciaphas Cain have plausibly survived living on Avernus if he got there somehow? (I'm not asking if he's currently alive, I know he's dead. I'm asking about hypotheticals.)
7) yes
between his actual hero level combat skills, leadership talents, general sanity and honed insticts he woul be in a good postion to suvive
2) Do we no longer have rerolls?
2) you have less reliable re-rolls
3) I just realized that given that the most likely force attacking Trust at this point seems to be minor Chaos whose escorts (and weapons in general) have very crappy Pen making them ideal against lightly armored corvettes, wouldnt we want a heavily armored defense escort instead of Viking to minimize attrition instead? It would reduce firepower per cost significantly and maybe also durability depending on armor math, but shouldn't it also tank long term attrition?
3) if minor chaos remains the main thing attacking you yes
1) does anyone at the conclave have a idea what the Deciever is doing?
1) hiding
2) Is Chaos Undivided basically dead as a concept now with Belakor's actions?
2) yes
3) how is the Maelstorm doing?
3) it still exists as a chaos holdout in the region
4) Because runes are better on things which do not already use warp technology, possible resurgence of nonwarp shielding technology like Ion Shields?
4) at the moment no
5) Would the First Worldship have Star Trek style deflector shields?
5) yes
1) So I was reading up on the datasheets, and I noticed that Turoq's old capital, Epra, was also a Daemonworld, and a mere 130 LY from Midgard. Could we invade it and turn it into a Devaworld, and is the presiding Daemon Prince weak enough that it could be offscreened?
1) you could
2) Actually, on that matter, are there a bunch of other unnamed misc daemonworlds in the Trust general area we could invade?
2) none as close but a couple
3) Also on that matter, when Chaos Daemons invade a Deva World, 'where' do they manifest?
3) it varies based on world
Generally the edges
1) Would it make sense for the Triumvirate if their Devaworlds are each part of, basically, a single fortress? Each is symbolically a single wall segment. Or similar idea
1) not really
That's putting all their eggs in one basket
One that may be large enough to convince chaos to work together for a short time to take
1) For an Escort Trade Ship, would it be better to have Cargo 4.5 and 2x Cheap + 1x Slightly Cheap, or Cargo 3 and 3x Cheap + 1x Slightly Cheap?
1) 4.5 cargo
1) Now that we're working together is Areatha going to try and broker a deal so the Necrons can use the webway without breaking it via Dolman gates?
1) yes
2) How stroppy is Imhotek or has he been turned off for now.
2) pretty but he is grudgingly obaying
3) Are there any things that are believed to be in Trazyn's archives that the eldar really want back. No idea if he'd agree to it/still has em/the SK would be able to force him too, but hypothetically.
3) there are a few
SK probebly destoyed them post Krork breakout though
4) Is it fair to say that if the Nids had hit the galaxy proper it would have been a likely game over, or at the very least would have required blowing up a lot of what was left.
4) yes
if the Necrons had rolled worse
this would be the Dawn of the Devourer
as everyone, inlcuding the Void Dragon and Chaos, fights desperatly not to be eaten
5) Also to be clear when you say a galaxies worth of biomass, I assume you mean like a proper sized galaxy's worth, not the milky way which is...ehh a bit smaller than most due to unfortunate circumstances.
5) yeah
6) Once the Grand Conclave is over, how many more turns of Frederick do we have before we go over to Nurma full-time?
6) there will be a vote to determine
at least 1
no more then 4
7) Is the Khoswe warp charging station viable for us (at low output) to charge defense ship PA (and Runes?) or is it too expensive/reckless?
7) to reckless
1) Are we allowed to give Nurma traits that have effects besides raw stat boosts as long as it makes sense or fits her backstory?
1) yes
1) How high up the threat chart would the nids have to be revised in hindsight?
1) somewhere in the top 3
2) Anything else you're willing to say about Szarekh's possible past experience with Tyranids?
2) he found a galaxy that they had been through
and tried to help defending another
3) Why did the Nids fight the Necrons to extinction over a tiny galaxies worth of biomass when they had so much of it already? Were they just that... simple? See food, go eat food or die trying?
3) their travel methord is rather slow and expensive
also they were pretty simple
1) Could Redoubt be redesigned to be a Grav Hook ship? For that PA capability.
1) probebly not
2) Other-Galaxy Tech from the Necrons, possible or not?
2) no
3) Did he ever intend to come back or was it just for the Nids and he wasn't expecting the eldar to make such a dog's breakfast of the situation?
3) he has actualy returned seeral times over the eons
just, this time rather then doing a basic check of things and finding a Dominion that could stomp the Necrons flat if they decided to wake
he found the dumpster fire that is 40k
1) How is that idiot Tzeentchian Necron doing?
1) still alive
2) Do other galaxies have their own Constants?
2) unknown
3) Is bringing the Viking up to Armor 2.5 worth a ~100 increase in EM price for it?
a) Armor 3 for ~200 increase in EM?
3) myabe just
a) no
4) Can the SDB redesign the Viking to use Distributed Reactor Network?
4) unknown
5) Would Trust have much use for GH/warp capable defense fleets? As I understand it defense fleets should be the minimum a system should have at all times so reinforcing other attacked systems doesn't seem like a good idea?
5) they dont really count as defence fleets at that point
but it might be viable to retire defence fleets
6) if the Tyranids superfleet had hit the galaxy while the Dominion was deep in its Pleasure Cults era, could the eldars have nonetheless beaten back the Tyranids ?
6) maybe
7) IDEA! Khoswe (or People's Council) Psythrone Choirs or Pacific Rim's Drift control schema!
7) no
8) What ever happened to Mephiston?
8) he ended up dying in battle
1) How often does Zeno need to deal with Ridcully filing reports for things that won't happen until decades or centuries into the future?
1) enough that h is relly glad that it has stopped
So glad
1) What are the chances of the Tzeentchian Necron becoming Tzeentch?
1) near 0
1) What percent of people who've at least heard of Ridcully also know about Zeno?
1) a tenth
1) Did Avernus have any idea of what Aria was before she herself found out?
1) yes but not much
well, it figured out what she was around a 100 years earlier
thought "No thats impossible, it must be something else" then spent around 90 years finding out that it was actualy right
2) Is there an option for hero's luck traits? Does it cost anything points-wise, or is the increased risk of dying the cost for the increased trait gain opportunities?
2) there will be both posative negatie and neutral traits
3) At this point in the galaxy, if Tzeentch somehow managed to get someone on track to becoming Tzeentch, would we basically be DGAF about it or would we actually try to stop it?
3) more the first
4) some ideas that Callamus came up with for using Psythrones with Technomancers
a) for Naval and (potentially) Hives, it boosts a Technomancers range for their powers when targeting the equipped ship/city, allowing for a less powerful Technomancer to support a ship on their own by one step (either Power or Skill). Not as strong as a proper Psythroned ship or a full technomancer choir, but allows for more ships to be boosted (well, in polities with sufficient Technomancers, at least)
b) For Knights and Titans, an inverse of how the Throne normally works. Allowing Technomancer powers to be applied to the pilot (or full crew). Not a big buff, but allows the Technomancer to better deal with attacks targeting them themselves, like telepathic attacks and especially Nurgle sorcery which would hit their squishy organic bits that they normally can't boost.
4a) sounds viable
b) ditto
5) I am under the assumption that the Trust lacks the number of Technomancers needed for it, but are you going to add Technomancer choirs to the Naval design rules? If only so as to have it available for theorizing for such ships
5) for the moment no
6) Would an EM producing tech based on the idea of offloading as much of the EM work to normal citizens make sense? Preparatory-Production basically
6) yes
7) Does an EM forge that basically converts AM to EM make sense or not?
7) yes
8) In-Universe pre-singularity how much of the future did Ridcully see? For example Unchained by rolls was <1%, but in-universe would Ridcully have seen it as much more 'likely'?
8) he would have seen it as maybe 25%
9) Pre-Singularity, how well can a god divine the future via their domain?
9) some tings well, some not at all
10) Had he returned at the right time, would Szarekh have been able to get things back together fast enough to destroy the Dominion before Slaanesh was born?
10a) Would he have bothered?
10)maybe
a) no
as attempting had a solid chance of knocking the dominion out of hedonism into full war mode
aimed at him
11) Does he have any keepsakes from the galaxy he failed to save?
11) es
12) Are we allowed more flexibility in Nurma's religious preferences than we had with older characters? (Even if anything besides "Emperor" and "none", and "Machine God" in some circumstances, are still illegal)
12) you do
13) Does the Silent King have anything to say on what the laws of physics are like in other galaxies?
13) pretty much the same but some differences arou nd the edges
1) Is Gork and Mork calling the Final Waaagh in Turn 26 a valid cataclysm spell base?
1) no
2) Are the Naval runes enough to also improve our Attack Craft?
2) no
1) Do we have the skill to put Runes on Titans/Ordinatus? Since they are similar in dimensions to attack craft.
1) not really
2) Can a (potentially underpowered) Cruiser Neutron Lance be fit in an escort-sized ship?
2) in theory yes, in practice maybe
3) Is this a likely interaction between a Constructed Warp discipline and the Primal? Star Wars: Jedi Lord - Anakin Skywalker edition
3) not really
from the constructed point of view the Primal is less some dangerous abyss
more an ethereal shimmer that you can barely make out with the greatest of focus
and from the primal point of view the contructed does not exist
1) Any interactions between Rune effects or costs and Psychic Architecure? Such as PA: Defense boosting defensive runes?
1) not that you have found so far
1) Can a psy-throned vehicle be healed by biomancers as if biological? It can be healed by a biomancer sitting on the throne...
1) no
6: Highest durability (~12.4 HP+Shields), same speed as generalist fleet. (Or same durability as S9, but 10% CP cheaper)
9: Mid Durability (~10.56 HP+Shields), no other ship has speed 9 so a bit awkward on deployment.
11: Lowest durability (~8 HP + Shields), same speed as harass fleet.
(All have the same firepower, 1 E NL + 1 E Hanger)
1) either 6 for the HP or 11 to act as a patrol cutter
1) Is this trait too strong, weak, or about right? (Gravhook Corvette designed for minimum possible cost)
-1 Speed, -10% Weapons, - 6 Power, -22% Cost, 66% Hangers
1) maybe make it -20% cost
1) Do Avernites have any unusual hair or eye colors, like how IIRC Cadians had purple eyes as relatively common?
1) name a trait, they have it
1) What does a point of innate or acquired trait look like?
1) +2 to one stat, +1 to a second
2) Will the Necrons be contributing tech to the Grand Conclave? If so, what's the theme?
2) no
4) A lack of real benefit if they do so, due to how different their tech bases are?
4) that plus not wnating to share plus taking so long to teach its not viable
1) Would Avernus have/made a Guardian/Animal group whose thing is basically challenging potential heroes to make them trait-up faster?
1) animal not guardian
1) Is there a valid Knowing Avernus action for looking at that one generation that were born and came of age entirely in the pocket dimension during the eighteen-something-year-long (625 AFA to 643 AFA) Grand Incursion, and how that's affected them?
1) yes
1) Has the Trust socially progressed enough that Avernites with more unusual phenotypes don't get issues over that when offworld? Or are there still some places where they'd get called mutants or something?
1) it depends on where
But the issues are more like modern racism then anything imperial
1) How many galaxies did the Tyranids eat, including their galaxy of origin and excluding the Milky Way?
1) according the the necrons, at least 1
1) How does Gobbochev feel about Orks these days without Gork and Mork's influence?
1) brutes who get in the way of proper organisation
1) How about an Island Turtle that learned how to shrink itself and now teaches Kung Fu in a mountain monastery?
1) not really possible
one cursed to not ever grow bigger however...
1) If we designed Psythrone strike fighter/landing craft, how much more expensive would it be to also make Astartes variants. Because I am sure Astartes would love to be able to call their Librarians bus drivers.
1) not notably
2) From Ridcully's perspective, did something actively conceal their actual state from his scrying, or did he just never look in that much detail?
2) they had ka defences concealing a lot
And including it turns out a hole lot of wrecked stuff that was thought to be intact
1) What's the distribution of power like for the Triumvirate? Is their power generally invested in greater deva, lesser deva, blessings, personal?
a) How variable is it?
1) its pretty flexable
but biggest outlay tends to be blessings
2) Does this work? Kilbark
2) barring the seeminly mundane in conversation
that just does not work for a primal god
1) Does this instead work?
1) yes
3) Is it only this galaxy that had C'tan and Old Ones?
3) unknown
5) Assuming Areatha's here would her perspective be that the necrons as a whole can accept this because the Revanchists and supremecist factions have taken quite a few knocks recently? Otherwise their pride may well have kept them going down their current route until they were all fucked. Well that and hatred/existential fear of the Dragon?
5) mix of that the the Silent King putting his foot down
he is not exactly an absolute ruler
but he has a good bit of ower when he cares to use it
6) What are the odds Areatha's been venting to Rotbart or others about how frustrating the necrons have been? Since she'd probably have been in position to notice this first and couldn't say anything for diplomatic reasons.
6) pretty high
7) Could Ciaphas Cain have plausibly survived living on Avernus if he got there somehow? (I'm not asking if he's currently alive, I know he's dead. I'm asking about hypotheticals.)
7) yes
between his actual hero level combat skills, leadership talents, general sanity and honed insticts he woul be in a good postion to suvive
2) Do we no longer have rerolls?
2) you have less reliable re-rolls
3) I just realized that given that the most likely force attacking Trust at this point seems to be minor Chaos whose escorts (and weapons in general) have very crappy Pen making them ideal against lightly armored corvettes, wouldnt we want a heavily armored defense escort instead of Viking to minimize attrition instead? It would reduce firepower per cost significantly and maybe also durability depending on armor math, but shouldn't it also tank long term attrition?
3) if minor chaos remains the main thing attacking you yes
1) does anyone at the conclave have a idea what the Deciever is doing?
1) hiding
2) Is Chaos Undivided basically dead as a concept now with Belakor's actions?
2) yes
3) how is the Maelstorm doing?
3) it still exists as a chaos holdout in the region
4) Because runes are better on things which do not already use warp technology, possible resurgence of nonwarp shielding technology like Ion Shields?
4) at the moment no
5) Would the First Worldship have Star Trek style deflector shields?
5) yes
1) So I was reading up on the datasheets, and I noticed that Turoq's old capital, Epra, was also a Daemonworld, and a mere 130 LY from Midgard. Could we invade it and turn it into a Devaworld, and is the presiding Daemon Prince weak enough that it could be offscreened?
1) you could
2) Actually, on that matter, are there a bunch of other unnamed misc daemonworlds in the Trust general area we could invade?
2) none as close but a couple
3) Also on that matter, when Chaos Daemons invade a Deva World, 'where' do they manifest?
3) it varies based on world
Generally the edges
1) Would it make sense for the Triumvirate if their Devaworlds are each part of, basically, a single fortress? Each is symbolically a single wall segment. Or similar idea
1) not really
That's putting all their eggs in one basket
One that may be large enough to convince chaos to work together for a short time to take
1) For an Escort Trade Ship, would it be better to have Cargo 4.5 and 2x Cheap + 1x Slightly Cheap, or Cargo 3 and 3x Cheap + 1x Slightly Cheap?
1) 4.5 cargo
1) Now that we're working together is Areatha going to try and broker a deal so the Necrons can use the webway without breaking it via Dolman gates?
1) yes
2) How stroppy is Imhotek or has he been turned off for now.
2) pretty but he is grudgingly obaying
3) Are there any things that are believed to be in Trazyn's archives that the eldar really want back. No idea if he'd agree to it/still has em/the SK would be able to force him too, but hypothetically.
3) there are a few
SK probebly destoyed them post Krork breakout though
4) Is it fair to say that if the Nids had hit the galaxy proper it would have been a likely game over, or at the very least would have required blowing up a lot of what was left.
4) yes
if the Necrons had rolled worse
this would be the Dawn of the Devourer
as everyone, inlcuding the Void Dragon and Chaos, fights desperatly not to be eaten
5) Also to be clear when you say a galaxies worth of biomass, I assume you mean like a proper sized galaxy's worth, not the milky way which is...ehh a bit smaller than most due to unfortunate circumstances.
5) yeah
6) Once the Grand Conclave is over, how many more turns of Frederick do we have before we go over to Nurma full-time?
6) there will be a vote to determine
at least 1
no more then 4
7) Is the Khoswe warp charging station viable for us (at low output) to charge defense ship PA (and Runes?) or is it too expensive/reckless?
7) to reckless
1) Are we allowed to give Nurma traits that have effects besides raw stat boosts as long as it makes sense or fits her backstory?
1) yes
1) How high up the threat chart would the nids have to be revised in hindsight?
1) somewhere in the top 3
2) Anything else you're willing to say about Szarekh's possible past experience with Tyranids?
2) he found a galaxy that they had been through
and tried to help defending another
3) Why did the Nids fight the Necrons to extinction over a tiny galaxies worth of biomass when they had so much of it already? Were they just that... simple? See food, go eat food or die trying?
3) their travel methord is rather slow and expensive
also they were pretty simple
1) Could Redoubt be redesigned to be a Grav Hook ship? For that PA capability.
1) probebly not
2) Other-Galaxy Tech from the Necrons, possible or not?
2) no
3) Did he ever intend to come back or was it just for the Nids and he wasn't expecting the eldar to make such a dog's breakfast of the situation?
3) he has actualy returned seeral times over the eons
just, this time rather then doing a basic check of things and finding a Dominion that could stomp the Necrons flat if they decided to wake
he found the dumpster fire that is 40k
1) How is that idiot Tzeentchian Necron doing?
1) still alive
2) Do other galaxies have their own Constants?
2) unknown
3) Is bringing the Viking up to Armor 2.5 worth a ~100 increase in EM price for it?
a) Armor 3 for ~200 increase in EM?
3) myabe just
a) no
4) Can the SDB redesign the Viking to use Distributed Reactor Network?
4) unknown
5) Would Trust have much use for GH/warp capable defense fleets? As I understand it defense fleets should be the minimum a system should have at all times so reinforcing other attacked systems doesn't seem like a good idea?
5) they dont really count as defence fleets at that point
but it might be viable to retire defence fleets
6) if the Tyranids superfleet had hit the galaxy while the Dominion was deep in its Pleasure Cults era, could the eldars have nonetheless beaten back the Tyranids ?
6) maybe
7) IDEA! Khoswe (or People's Council) Psythrone Choirs or Pacific Rim's Drift control schema!
7) no
8) What ever happened to Mephiston?
8) he ended up dying in battle
1) How often does Zeno need to deal with Ridcully filing reports for things that won't happen until decades or centuries into the future?
1) enough that h is relly glad that it has stopped
So glad
1) What are the chances of the Tzeentchian Necron becoming Tzeentch?
1) near 0
1) What percent of people who've at least heard of Ridcully also know about Zeno?
1) a tenth
1) Did Avernus have any idea of what Aria was before she herself found out?
1) yes but not much
well, it figured out what she was around a 100 years earlier
thought "No thats impossible, it must be something else" then spent around 90 years finding out that it was actualy right
2) Is there an option for hero's luck traits? Does it cost anything points-wise, or is the increased risk of dying the cost for the increased trait gain opportunities?
2) there will be both posative negatie and neutral traits
3) At this point in the galaxy, if Tzeentch somehow managed to get someone on track to becoming Tzeentch, would we basically be DGAF about it or would we actually try to stop it?
3) more the first
4) some ideas that Callamus came up with for using Psythrones with Technomancers
a) for Naval and (potentially) Hives, it boosts a Technomancers range for their powers when targeting the equipped ship/city, allowing for a less powerful Technomancer to support a ship on their own by one step (either Power or Skill). Not as strong as a proper Psythroned ship or a full technomancer choir, but allows for more ships to be boosted (well, in polities with sufficient Technomancers, at least)
b) For Knights and Titans, an inverse of how the Throne normally works. Allowing Technomancer powers to be applied to the pilot (or full crew). Not a big buff, but allows the Technomancer to better deal with attacks targeting them themselves, like telepathic attacks and especially Nurgle sorcery which would hit their squishy organic bits that they normally can't boost.
4a) sounds viable
b) ditto
5) I am under the assumption that the Trust lacks the number of Technomancers needed for it, but are you going to add Technomancer choirs to the Naval design rules? If only so as to have it available for theorizing for such ships
5) for the moment no
6) Would an EM producing tech based on the idea of offloading as much of the EM work to normal citizens make sense? Preparatory-Production basically
6) yes
7) Does an EM forge that basically converts AM to EM make sense or not?
7) yes
8) In-Universe pre-singularity how much of the future did Ridcully see? For example Unchained by rolls was <1%, but in-universe would Ridcully have seen it as much more 'likely'?
8) he would have seen it as maybe 25%
9) Pre-Singularity, how well can a god divine the future via their domain?
9) some tings well, some not at all
10) Had he returned at the right time, would Szarekh have been able to get things back together fast enough to destroy the Dominion before Slaanesh was born?
10a) Would he have bothered?
10)maybe
a) no
as attempting had a solid chance of knocking the dominion out of hedonism into full war mode
aimed at him
11) Does he have any keepsakes from the galaxy he failed to save?
11) es
12) Are we allowed more flexibility in Nurma's religious preferences than we had with older characters? (Even if anything besides "Emperor" and "none", and "Machine God" in some circumstances, are still illegal)
12) you do
13) Does the Silent King have anything to say on what the laws of physics are like in other galaxies?
13) pretty much the same but some differences arou nd the edges
1) Is Gork and Mork calling the Final Waaagh in Turn 26 a valid cataclysm spell base?
1) no
2) Are the Naval runes enough to also improve our Attack Craft?
2) no
1) Do we have the skill to put Runes on Titans/Ordinatus? Since they are similar in dimensions to attack craft.
1) not really
2) Can a (potentially underpowered) Cruiser Neutron Lance be fit in an escort-sized ship?
2) in theory yes, in practice maybe
3) Is this a likely interaction between a Constructed Warp discipline and the Primal? Star Wars: Jedi Lord - Anakin Skywalker edition
3) not really
from the constructed point of view the Primal is less some dangerous abyss
more an ethereal shimmer that you can barely make out with the greatest of focus
and from the primal point of view the contructed does not exist
1) Any interactions between Rune effects or costs and Psychic Architecure? Such as PA: Defense boosting defensive runes?
1) not that you have found so far
1) Can a psy-throned vehicle be healed by biomancers as if biological? It can be healed by a biomancer sitting on the throne...
1) no
- Location
- australia
No kidding, boss-
I think TTS summed the level of force disparity up pretty well with:
For folks who haven't seen that one before,
The little illuminated disk right at the top there with the tendrils closing on it?
That's the Milky Way Galaxy…
If nothing else, -winning- against something like That -purely- with technological power (no psyker weirdness) and extremely good leadership/admiralty made me even -more- apprehensive at the thought of hostility with the 'crons/ a catastrophic critical diplo failure way back when the SK started making preparations to return,
, and well after he returned when we started making tenuous diplomatic approaches,
Because just from a sheer biggatons perspective,
The thought of fighting a remnant of a force capable of -winning- against an opponent whos numbers could be described poetically as "there are no stars",
To quote The Last Angel….
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The Fifth Grand Conclave Part Two: Recent Events and the Great Powers
- Location
- Alice Springs, Australia
The Fifth Grand Conclave Part Two: Recent Events and the Great Powers
The event that triggered this meeting of the Grand Conclave is Be'lakor's attempt to enslave the Five Great Gods of Chaos, and its results. While he only succeeded in binding the Star Tyrant, Tjapa, into his service Nurgle was able to steal the domains of Freedom and Obsession from Slaanesh due to the ritual and Tzeentch took advantage of Khorne's focus on the ritual and its own positions the last of the gods to be effected by it to steal a great deal of Khorne's realm from it. This has resulted in the forces of Chaos devolving into a level of infighting not seen since before the formation of the Black Imperium, and the total withdrawal of most of their support for the Dragon War. A withdrawal that was the final straw for the Silent King, who joined the Grand Conclave as a result.
With the Dragon poised to break through the defensive lines in several locations and the entire region turned into a quagmire of broken shards of reality, the dragon war will no longer be contained to the region around Sol, and no one can consider themselves truly safe from it.
Nurma's analysis of the powers of the Grand Conclave has now moved on to the Great Powers, those powers that while weaker than the superpowers are still head and shoulders more powerful than the rest of the Grand Conclave. There are currently three polities in this category, two powerful Imperial Remnants while the last is the Council of Peoples.
First and most powerful is the Imperium Quartus, the polity that has the best claim of being the rightful successors of the Imperium. Founded by the Primarchs Corax and Vulkan, it has been joined by Jaghatai Khan and Leman Russ, four of the five surviving Loyalist Primarchs. Located at the meeting of Segmentums Solar, Tempestus and Ultima though mostly in Ultima it covers over seven hundred sectors, making it the second largest polity in the Grand Conclave, and the third largest in the galaxy.
With the last of the local threats having been destroyed centuries ago, the Quartus Imperium has been active in contributing to the defence of others members of the Grand Conclave, especially the alliance of the Imperium Secondus and the Tau against the seemingly unending tide of galactic threats that have beset them.
The Imperium Quartus' true strength has always been in its Astartes, which have been augmented far beyond what was once their limits with both the Primaris and Trueborn upgrades. While Crawl's Primaris notably boosts the physical sides of the Astartes, the Trueborn strengthens their ties to the Primarchs, enhancing the various mystical benefits that Astartes gain. Each of the four legions has a powerful regular force formed to support it in battle, providing large numbers of well equipped professional soldiers to exploit the openings made by the Astartes in a development of the standard doctrine of the Great Crusade.
Next is the Forge-Empire of Callamus, the heirs of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Grown out of the domain of the Forge-World of Callamus, they maintain a level of technology and industry that no human power can hope to match, bar the Imperial Trust of course. With over five hundred sectors under their control, the Forge-Empire is only a step smaller then the Imperium Quartus, being the fifth largest polity in the galaxy behind the Necron Dynasties.
The Forge-Empire has spent most of its existence fighting a grinding war of attrition with the Ophelian Theocracy to its north, a war that it looked like the rise of the Unchained would end for good. The reorganisation of the Theocracy under the command of the First Prince is liable to restart that war, though at least they will have local allies this time.
At war it relies on its sheer industrial might to see it to victory, with endless legions of well equipped Skitrii, massive armored formations and plentiful Titan Legions crushing its foes, or at least wearing them down enough for the production advantage that the Forge-Empire possesses to be decisive.
Finally there is the Council of Peoples, both one of the oldest and youngest powers in the galaxy. The Council of Peoples is a federation formed in the last couple of centuries by most of the sentient species of Avernus, some of which remember the formation of the Aeldari Dominion. While not strictly part of the Council of Peoples, the the forces of the Lizardmen and Avernus itself are de facto members, providing a core that would be considered elites even in the War in Heaven. While contained entirely within one, rather crowded, solar system, the Council of Peoples earns its place as a Great Power for sheer quality. With every race being either a mastercrafted bioweapon made by the last World of the Old Ones, or the Servants of the Firstborn themselves the Council of Peoples is a threat way greater then its small size would indicate. You should know, they live on your homeworld.
So far the only real actions of the Council of Peoples in the wider galaxy have been sending forces to help deal with Lorgar's Folly and Be'lakor's Gambit but that will soon change.
In war the Council of Peoples relies on a level of psychic development only rivaled by the Aeldari, supported by Conclave standard materium technology and countless living bioweapons, many of which can crush Titans.
As you have Nurma give you an overview of the middle powers within the Grand Conclave you consider how her main focus on [] aspects of being a governor and mentorship with [] might have influenced her analysis.
The event that triggered this meeting of the Grand Conclave is Be'lakor's attempt to enslave the Five Great Gods of Chaos, and its results. While he only succeeded in binding the Star Tyrant, Tjapa, into his service Nurgle was able to steal the domains of Freedom and Obsession from Slaanesh due to the ritual and Tzeentch took advantage of Khorne's focus on the ritual and its own positions the last of the gods to be effected by it to steal a great deal of Khorne's realm from it. This has resulted in the forces of Chaos devolving into a level of infighting not seen since before the formation of the Black Imperium, and the total withdrawal of most of their support for the Dragon War. A withdrawal that was the final straw for the Silent King, who joined the Grand Conclave as a result.
With the Dragon poised to break through the defensive lines in several locations and the entire region turned into a quagmire of broken shards of reality, the dragon war will no longer be contained to the region around Sol, and no one can consider themselves truly safe from it.
Nurma's analysis of the powers of the Grand Conclave has now moved on to the Great Powers, those powers that while weaker than the superpowers are still head and shoulders more powerful than the rest of the Grand Conclave. There are currently three polities in this category, two powerful Imperial Remnants while the last is the Council of Peoples.
First and most powerful is the Imperium Quartus, the polity that has the best claim of being the rightful successors of the Imperium. Founded by the Primarchs Corax and Vulkan, it has been joined by Jaghatai Khan and Leman Russ, four of the five surviving Loyalist Primarchs. Located at the meeting of Segmentums Solar, Tempestus and Ultima though mostly in Ultima it covers over seven hundred sectors, making it the second largest polity in the Grand Conclave, and the third largest in the galaxy.
With the last of the local threats having been destroyed centuries ago, the Quartus Imperium has been active in contributing to the defence of others members of the Grand Conclave, especially the alliance of the Imperium Secondus and the Tau against the seemingly unending tide of galactic threats that have beset them.
The Imperium Quartus' true strength has always been in its Astartes, which have been augmented far beyond what was once their limits with both the Primaris and Trueborn upgrades. While Crawl's Primaris notably boosts the physical sides of the Astartes, the Trueborn strengthens their ties to the Primarchs, enhancing the various mystical benefits that Astartes gain. Each of the four legions has a powerful regular force formed to support it in battle, providing large numbers of well equipped professional soldiers to exploit the openings made by the Astartes in a development of the standard doctrine of the Great Crusade.
Next is the Forge-Empire of Callamus, the heirs of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Grown out of the domain of the Forge-World of Callamus, they maintain a level of technology and industry that no human power can hope to match, bar the Imperial Trust of course. With over five hundred sectors under their control, the Forge-Empire is only a step smaller then the Imperium Quartus, being the fifth largest polity in the galaxy behind the Necron Dynasties.
The Forge-Empire has spent most of its existence fighting a grinding war of attrition with the Ophelian Theocracy to its north, a war that it looked like the rise of the Unchained would end for good. The reorganisation of the Theocracy under the command of the First Prince is liable to restart that war, though at least they will have local allies this time.
At war it relies on its sheer industrial might to see it to victory, with endless legions of well equipped Skitrii, massive armored formations and plentiful Titan Legions crushing its foes, or at least wearing them down enough for the production advantage that the Forge-Empire possesses to be decisive.
Finally there is the Council of Peoples, both one of the oldest and youngest powers in the galaxy. The Council of Peoples is a federation formed in the last couple of centuries by most of the sentient species of Avernus, some of which remember the formation of the Aeldari Dominion. While not strictly part of the Council of Peoples, the the forces of the Lizardmen and Avernus itself are de facto members, providing a core that would be considered elites even in the War in Heaven. While contained entirely within one, rather crowded, solar system, the Council of Peoples earns its place as a Great Power for sheer quality. With every race being either a mastercrafted bioweapon made by the last World of the Old Ones, or the Servants of the Firstborn themselves the Council of Peoples is a threat way greater then its small size would indicate. You should know, they live on your homeworld.
So far the only real actions of the Council of Peoples in the wider galaxy have been sending forces to help deal with Lorgar's Folly and Be'lakor's Gambit but that will soon change.
In war the Council of Peoples relies on a level of psychic development only rivaled by the Aeldari, supported by Conclave standard materium technology and countless living bioweapons, many of which can crush Titans.
As you have Nurma give you an overview of the middle powers within the Grand Conclave you consider how her main focus on [] aspects of being a governor and mentorship with [] might have influenced her analysis.
Choose One or Two stats that Nurma has focused on
She will gain access to additional, more powerful, traits in these areas
Chose primary mentor, this will give a free trait and access to certain traits as well as a better relationship with the selected mentor
[] Lord-General Tychon Rakes- Nurma has spent much time working with Lord-General Rakes and Avernite High Command. Under his mentorship she has learned many of the arts of military command, and how to set up a proper defensive position. Boost to Martial, better military morale
[] Chief Administrator Martinus Argall- Nurma has worked closely with Martinus Argall and the Administratum. This has given her a solid understanding of the bureaucracy, and an appreciation for just how well method of delegation works. Boost to Admin, better at delegation
[] Minister of State Kent Cline- The Minister of State has spent much time on Avernus working with the Council of Peoples, and Nurma was often his liaison. In this role she has learned much about diplomacy and how to work with others of different mindsets, a trait often not developed on Avernus. Boost to Diplomacy, better at seeing from other prespectives
[] Arbitrator Jane Oakheart- Nurma has often been assigned to work beside the Security Forces of Avernus, and their leader Jane Oakheart, whose skills in that field while not as known as her combat skills, are still legendary. Boost to Intrigue
[] Jane Oakheart the Arbiter of Fate- Nurma is a student of the Oakheart School who has had the fortune to study under its founder herself. While she holds only the merest candle of her teacher's unmatched skill, even this is enough to make her one of the more deadly blades on Avernus. Major boost to Combat
[] Fabricator-General Marian Scott- The Imperial Trust's Adeptus Mechanicus is based in the Helheim system, and Nurma has often been appointed to liaise with their leader. In this role she has gained a better understanding of their rather different culture, and how to best work with it. Maintain more control over Mechanicus actions
[] Grandmaster Tamia Jameson- In her role as Grandmaster of the Central Department, Tamia works closely with the Avernite Government on a range of issues. Nurma has often been assigned as her liaison and has been taken under her wing, giving her a better understanding of the psykers that are much of what makes Avernus, and the Imperial Trust as a whole unique. Maintain more control over Telepathica actions
[] Grand Vizier Ælfgar Korrapati- Rather then working with one of the branches of the Avernite Government or as a liaison, Nurma spent much of her career working beside the Vizier learning how Avernus is actually run. Boost to Admin, less likely to run into early issues
[] Yourself- You took Nurma as a student and successor long ago, and have taught her what you can of both administration and war over that time. Boost to martial, higher civilian morale
She will gain access to additional, more powerful, traits in these areas
Chose primary mentor, this will give a free trait and access to certain traits as well as a better relationship with the selected mentor
[] Lord-General Tychon Rakes- Nurma has spent much time working with Lord-General Rakes and Avernite High Command. Under his mentorship she has learned many of the arts of military command, and how to set up a proper defensive position. Boost to Martial, better military morale
[] Chief Administrator Martinus Argall- Nurma has worked closely with Martinus Argall and the Administratum. This has given her a solid understanding of the bureaucracy, and an appreciation for just how well method of delegation works. Boost to Admin, better at delegation
[] Minister of State Kent Cline- The Minister of State has spent much time on Avernus working with the Council of Peoples, and Nurma was often his liaison. In this role she has learned much about diplomacy and how to work with others of different mindsets, a trait often not developed on Avernus. Boost to Diplomacy, better at seeing from other prespectives
[] Arbitrator Jane Oakheart- Nurma has often been assigned to work beside the Security Forces of Avernus, and their leader Jane Oakheart, whose skills in that field while not as known as her combat skills, are still legendary. Boost to Intrigue
[] Jane Oakheart the Arbiter of Fate- Nurma is a student of the Oakheart School who has had the fortune to study under its founder herself. While she holds only the merest candle of her teacher's unmatched skill, even this is enough to make her one of the more deadly blades on Avernus. Major boost to Combat
[] Fabricator-General Marian Scott- The Imperial Trust's Adeptus Mechanicus is based in the Helheim system, and Nurma has often been appointed to liaise with their leader. In this role she has gained a better understanding of their rather different culture, and how to best work with it. Maintain more control over Mechanicus actions
[] Grandmaster Tamia Jameson- In her role as Grandmaster of the Central Department, Tamia works closely with the Avernite Government on a range of issues. Nurma has often been assigned as her liaison and has been taken under her wing, giving her a better understanding of the psykers that are much of what makes Avernus, and the Imperial Trust as a whole unique. Maintain more control over Telepathica actions
[] Grand Vizier Ælfgar Korrapati- Rather then working with one of the branches of the Avernite Government or as a liaison, Nurma spent much of her career working beside the Vizier learning how Avernus is actually run. Boost to Admin, less likely to run into early issues
[] Yourself- You took Nurma as a student and successor long ago, and have taught her what you can of both administration and war over that time. Boost to martial, higher civilian morale
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- Location
- Israel
Cawl's
"Imperium", and it should be Callamus here anyway.
Edit: You also listed Tamia twice.
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birdmaster01
Big Tech's Strongest Soldier
[X] Yourself
A true passing of the torch moment is always nice,I say,I say
A true passing of the torch moment is always nice,I say,I say
[X] Yourself- You took Nurma as a student and successor long ago, and have taught her what you can of both administration and war over that time
[X] Grandmaster Tamia Jameson- In her role as Grandmaster of the Central Department, Tamia works closely with the Avernite Government on a range of issues. Nurma has often been assigned as her liaison and has been taken under her wing, giving her a better understanding of the psykers that are much of what makes Avernus, and the Imperial Trust as a whole unique.
[x] Diplomacy
[X] Stewardship
[X] Will
[X] Learning
This 2 sound intresting to me Psykers are very important for avernus and being almost adoptive daughter would make for great story
[X] Grandmaster Tamia Jameson- In her role as Grandmaster of the Central Department, Tamia works closely with the Avernite Government on a range of issues. Nurma has often been assigned as her liaison and has been taken under her wing, giving her a better understanding of the psykers that are much of what makes Avernus, and the Imperial Trust as a whole unique.
[x] Diplomacy
[X] Stewardship
[X] Will
[X] Learning
This 2 sound intresting to me Psykers are very important for avernus and being almost adoptive daughter would make for great story
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- Pronouns
- He
[x] Yourself- You took Nurma as a student and successor long ago, and have taught her what you can of both administration and war over that time.
[x] Minister of State Kent Cline- The Minister of State has spent much time on Avernus working with the Council of Peoples, and Nurma was often his liaison. In this role she has learned much about diplomacy and how to work with others of different mindsets, a trait often not developed on Avernus.
[x] Minister of State Kent Cline- The Minister of State has spent much time on Avernus working with the Council of Peoples, and Nurma was often his liaison. In this role she has learned much about diplomacy and how to work with others of different mindsets, a trait often not developed on Avernus.
- Location
- copenhagen
[x] Minister of State Kent Cline- The Minister of State has spent much time on Avernus working with the Council of Peoples, and Nurma was often his liaison. In this role she has learned much about diplomacy and how to work with others of different mindsets, a trait often not developed on Avernus.
[x] Diplomacy
[x] Martial
I really like the image of our successor having the space to be much more peace-oriented than Frederick. Feels like a fitting reward after all that ass kicking.
[x] Diplomacy
[x] Martial
I really like the image of our successor having the space to be much more peace-oriented than Frederick. Feels like a fitting reward after all that ass kicking.
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birdmaster01
Big Tech's Strongest Soldier
[X] Diplomacy
[X] Stewardship
[X] Stewardship
Dynamesmouse
Bzzzzzz
I'm gonna argue *against* Yourself.
We don't need another general. The military can lead itself just fine, even without Rotbart. Diplomacy and Intrigue are more important tasks for us. Though I can see how the Tamia option is incredibly valuable.
Don't forget that Nurma has different opinions and priorities than us, so choose her prior career wisely.
We don't need another general. The military can lead itself just fine, even without Rotbart. Diplomacy and Intrigue are more important tasks for us. Though I can see how the Tamia option is incredibly valuable.
Don't forget that Nurma has different opinions and priorities than us, so choose her prior career wisely.
birdmaster01
Big Tech's Strongest Soldier
But Rotbart has other schticks that can be passed down like admin and some second thing idk
But Stewardship is pretty important
- Location
- western US
Rotbart does have more then martial yes; but his admin is secondary to his martial and we have other folks who do better at it anyway.
So yeah, I agree we shoulden't do our selves.
either go for diplo or admin.
So yeah, I agree we shoulden't do our selves.
either go for diplo or admin.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Overall we'd be in a fantastic situation if it wasn't for a certain dragon shaped problem.
Enerael
We Shall Wake to Sanity
In what fields is Avernus a major player?
Martial, with our insanely powerful armies
Administration, with our crazy economy
Learning, with Tranth, Tamia, and Max being able to match entire major polities
Diplomacy, with all the Peoples in the system and their staggering power and potential
Now what does that mean for our stats?
Martial
-Our armies can be lead by generals not the governor, and guided and deployed by the Ministry of War (so Rotbart). We have survived and thrived on the hellworld and the time for Martial to be priority is past. Also it would be same-y and forever falling short of Rotbart.
Intrigue
-We seem more than well covered there defense wise, and what would we even use it for? Used to be we spied on the other Core Worlds, but these days there is no reason to. I can not think of a good use for an Intrigue focus.
Administration
-Should do some multiplying for Helheim systems crazy economy. Always useful for leaders of large organisations besides. Focus here would be on numbers going up to give our armies even better equipment, which multiplies one of our strengths.
Learning
-I am not actually sure what this does for for a Governor. But if it would somehow boost our researchers performance, it might well be top priority as boosting Tranth, Tamia, and Max would be of great value for the Sane entire.
Will
-A weak willed governor would be disaster, but this is Avernus. Weak willed people don't survive much less thrive here for two centuries. What benefit would a governor gain from focusing on it beyond that?.
Diplomacy
-Better relationship and influence with the Peoples for all sorts of benefits, from research to military. Lots of potential there, and it would likely be a fun focus. Keep in mind though that Trust has their own excellent diplomats working with them.
Combat
-Enough to survive is enough, which we should already have given that we survived two centuries on Avernus already and were even considered for this position.
Therefore, the top contenders seem to be:
Administration - Even more powerful military by way of better equipment. watching numbers go up.
Learning? - If it boosts research done in Helheim, that's multiplying Tranth, Tamia and Max who together with their students and aids do enough research to match a major polity, so a significant benefit to the Sane.
Diplomacy - People shenanigans of all kind. Defying grimdark with the power of friendship. Seems interesting and fun, but keep in mind we would be speaking for Avernus the colony not the Trust.
My choice then, if Learning boosts research, would be a dual Learning/Diplomacy focus.
If Learning is meh, either full Diplo or with a side of Admin not sure yet.
Martial, with our insanely powerful armies
Administration, with our crazy economy
Learning, with Tranth, Tamia, and Max being able to match entire major polities
Diplomacy, with all the Peoples in the system and their staggering power and potential
Now what does that mean for our stats?
Martial
-Our armies can be lead by generals not the governor, and guided and deployed by the Ministry of War (so Rotbart). We have survived and thrived on the hellworld and the time for Martial to be priority is past. Also it would be same-y and forever falling short of Rotbart.
Intrigue
-We seem more than well covered there defense wise, and what would we even use it for? Used to be we spied on the other Core Worlds, but these days there is no reason to. I can not think of a good use for an Intrigue focus.
Administration
-Should do some multiplying for Helheim systems crazy economy. Always useful for leaders of large organisations besides. Focus here would be on numbers going up to give our armies even better equipment, which multiplies one of our strengths.
Learning
-I am not actually sure what this does for for a Governor. But if it would somehow boost our researchers performance, it might well be top priority as boosting Tranth, Tamia, and Max would be of great value for the Sane entire.
Will
-A weak willed governor would be disaster, but this is Avernus. Weak willed people don't survive much less thrive here for two centuries. What benefit would a governor gain from focusing on it beyond that?.
Diplomacy
-Better relationship and influence with the Peoples for all sorts of benefits, from research to military. Lots of potential there, and it would likely be a fun focus. Keep in mind though that Trust has their own excellent diplomats working with them.
Combat
-Enough to survive is enough, which we should already have given that we survived two centuries on Avernus already and were even considered for this position.
Therefore, the top contenders seem to be:
Administration - Even more powerful military by way of better equipment. watching numbers go up.
Learning? - If it boosts research done in Helheim, that's multiplying Tranth, Tamia and Max who together with their students and aids do enough research to match a major polity, so a significant benefit to the Sane.
Diplomacy - People shenanigans of all kind. Defying grimdark with the power of friendship. Seems interesting and fun, but keep in mind we would be speaking for Avernus the colony not the Trust.
My choice then, if Learning boosts research, would be a dual Learning/Diplomacy focus.
If Learning is meh, either full Diplo or with a side of Admin not sure yet.