Years 56-60 Part 10 - Revelations of Eldar (By Ruirk)
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- Elsewhere
GM Note: I'd like to give a special thanks to @Ruirk who wrote this social himself.
Karcer Urial was an enigma. Even before the secession or the Coup, Kesar had tried to uncover more about her origins, but Terra remained silent. Oriacarius had also attempted to pry something from her, but Karcer was a master of keeping others at arm's length.
Kesar suspected that Karcer harbored deep-seated resentments toward the Wardens and the legions. The Epsilon incident certainly hadn't helped matters.
When Kesar questioned Roboute about his history with her, the Lord of Ultramar expressed regret. He hadn't intended to make her a scapegoat, but the political storm that followed was beyond his control.
Perhaps Malcador had seen potential in her for the Wardens, but the irony was that Karcer ultimately championed secession. Whether this was a sign that the Sigillite was losing his touch or if he had anticipated her demise—which nearly happened during countless assassination attempts and the Epsilon Compliance—was anyone's guess.
But Karcer proved resilient. She was intelligent and determined and garnered significant respect among the Imperial Army. Her defiance during the Epsilon disaster made her one of the few humans who dared stand against the Primarchs.
When the secession talks began, her voice was indispensable in a room full of Astartes. Her reputation among those who had fought at Epsilon and her presence in the metaphorical trenches earned her a following within the Maelstrom, including elements of the Imperial Army and a faction of the Wardens.
Kesar had grown weary of keeping her at a distance. He requested a private meeting to discuss certain "protocols" and the "sensitive issues" surrounding the true mission of the Eternal Wardens, hoping to clear the air.
When she arrived at his office, Karcer looked utterly exhausted, as if she hadn't slept in days or fought an intense battle. She explained, "Your First Captain and I just finished an eight-hour presentation on the nature of your true enemy."
"Ah, that'll do it." Kesar nodded, gesturing for her to sit as he prepared a cup of recaff. "Oriacarius can be relentless."
"That's a generous way to describe him," Karcer replied with a faint smile, her tension easing as she accepted the recaff. For once, she didn't seem on edge in his presence. "It was enlightening, though. I'll give him that."
Kesar offered a noncommittal "Hmm" before settling into his chair, savoring his chocolate-flavored recaff. "But I imagine it still left you with some questions."
"That's an understatement," Karcer said, watching him intently. "While I grasped the details, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the extent of this particular enemy—and why the Emperor saw fit to censor it so thoroughly."
Kesar nodded, his expression thoughtful. "That's a question I've pondered for years. But there's a reason for my Father's secrecy. Chaos is insidious. Simply knowing of its existence can draw its gaze."
Karcer, however, was unconvinced. "So what happens if someone learns about it through other means? What if they avoid corruption or death? What then?"
Kesar's response was blunt. "Mindscrubbing or a bullet to the head. Unless you're part of our legion."
"And your brothers? Did they get the same treatment?"
Kesar shifted uncomfortably, memories of past events surfacing. "No. Those cases were handled... delicately."
Karcer took a slow sip of her recaff. "Keeping information like this from humanity only deepens the divide between us and the Astartes. But I suppose that's irrelevant as long as no Space Marine has ever fallen to Chaos..."
"That's not entirely true," Kesar admitted, feeling she deserved honesty. "One of my brothers succumbed to it."
"Who?" she asked, her eyes narrowing.
"Lorgar Aurelian," Kesar said, his voice heavy with regret. "And his entire legion followed him."
Karcer seemed to appreciate the gravity of the situation. "That certainly justifies the Emperor's caution. If even one of his sons could fall, what hope does the average human have?"
But then her gaze hardened. "Yet it also underscores why this level of secrecy is dangerous. If your legion were destroyed, who would take up the fight? Would they not question what happened to the XIth and why this threat was kept from them?"
"This isn't a threat you can document," Kesar countered. "Even the mere knowledge of a daemon's name can be a vector for corruption. Ignorance, for those untrained, is their strongest defense."
Karcer, however, remained skeptical. "And no one on Terra considered developing protocols or programs to handle memetic threats or psychic intrusions? Ignorance might protect some, but if that's our only defense, we are doomed in the long term because we're breeding zealots and fools."
"It's a necessary evil," Kesar admitted.
"I'm not disputing that," Karcer replied, her tone sharp but measured. "Operational security is vital, sure. But when withholding crucial information from those on the front lines, you risk crippling their ability to fight effectively. It's one thing to be cautious but another to leave your people blind to the enemy's true nature. 'Know thy enemy,' right?"
Kesar nodded. "In time, protocols were established for the Astartes to handle these threats. But I don't believe the average commander—or any random trooper—can be trusted with such knowledge. The Maelstrom War showed how quickly loyalty can falter, how traitors and heretics emerge when faced with Chaos."
Karcer leaned forward, her expression grim. "But what if those Astartes become corrupted? Who watches the Watchmen, Kesar? Clearly, we can't broadcast this information to everyone, but relying solely on a select few isn't a sustainable solution either."
She paused, setting her cup down with a hint of frustration. "Look, we can revisit this later. I need more time to process all this insanity. For now, maybe the better question is—how do we win?"
Kesar seized the opportunity to shift the conversation. "A good question. The Wardens are already working on it. We're developing new technologies, crafting runes, and performing rituals that should help us push back against the Warp, just as we did during the Maelstrom. And we focus on eliminating daemons—the more powerful, the better."
"And what about these Chaos Gods?" Karcer asked, her eyes narrowing in anticipation. "How do we kill or curb their influence?"
Kesar hesitated, knowing the complexity of the answer. "That's the challenge. The Archdaemons dwell deep within the Warp, in realms where they control everything. They're guarded by vast armies of daemonic entities. However, they can't directly exert influence in the Materium."
"Except through their daemons and cultists," Karcer interjected. "It's a proxy war."
"Exactly," Kesar agreed. "Chaos spreads its influence subtly, another reason my Father kept it hidden. This is an ancient conflict, far older than humanity itself. Other civilizations have fought Chaos and failed."
Karcer scoffed. "So, we're supposed to succeed where older, more powerful civilizations have failed? That's encouraging," she said, her voice dripping with sarcasm. "This war will outlast us all, isn't it?"
"Likely," Kesar conceded, resigned to the reality. "But we aren't without allies. Once our declaration is made, I expect support from various quarters—at least for a time. Perturabo, Guilliman, and Khan are ready to aid us. Even the Aeldari have offered their assistance."
Karcer's reaction was immediate and furious. "The Eldar? Are you serious? Mention that to anyone else, and you'll lose humanity's support overnight."
Kesar was taken aback by her vehemence. "You don't approve?"
"Hell no," Karcer snapped. "I've seen what those bastards do. During a clean-up operation on Hangarvast, a resource world, I saw what they left behind. Pits full of civilians—babies, the elderly, the sick—slaughtered because they were deemed 'undesirable' by the Eldar."
Kesar winced internally. "Your record didn't mention Hangarvast."
"I was just a major then, shuffled around by lord commanders looking for a spot to place me. The survivors wanted someone higher up to see what happens when the PDF is underfunded and outmatched. So yes, the memory stuck with me."
Karcer's opposition to working with the Eldar—and aliens in general—was clear. "An unfortunate first impression," Kesar admitted, "but the Eldar have proven to be a useful and respectful ally in our struggle. Besides, I've learned there are distinctions within their species."
Karcer's eyes narrowed. "So we're not working with the slaver caste of the Eldar, then?"
Kesar hesitated, uncomfortable. "Not exactly. The leader of the Dark Eldar has offered assistance to the Wardens. I'm considering it." He met her gaze directly. "Is that going to be a problem?"
"Of course, it's a problem." Karcer's voice hardened. "Beyond the moral implications, you're risking our reputation. You know how many people have suffered at the hands of xeno slavers, and the Imperium's hatred of aliens runs deep." She sighed, visibly frustrated. "At least you're telling me now. I might have walked away from this entire endeavor if I'd found out later."
Kesar nodded, appreciating her candor. "Good to know."
After a moment, Karcer steadied herself. "What do we stand to gain from this alliance?"
"Resources, expertise, technology, weapons, access to the Webway, and specialist forces—like those we deployed during the Epsilon Compliance."
Karcer's expression darkened. "Eldar assets were involved in that compliance?" Her voice grew tense. "I wondered why the AI flagged war criminals. So, when exactly were you planning to tell me we had alien allies in our fleet?"
"It was just the one," Kesar replied calmly. "An operative, quite skilled in stealth and reconnaissance. He was working on rescuing Solarus."
Karcer frowned. "Wasn't that the Assassins' task?"
Kesar nodded. "It was."
Her expression didn't soften. The Primarch sensed she was weighing the implications of his dealings with aliens. "I don't want to work with xenos unless it's absolutely necessary."
"I understand your hesitation," Kesar said, then added, curious, "But you seem particularly agitated by the idea."
"Obviously," Karcer replied, her voice carrying a bitter edge. "Humanity can never truly cooperate with aliens—not without conditions that inevitably lead to conflict. We can barely stop fighting among ourselves. How can we hope to maintain peace with creatures whose perceptions are so alien to ours? Orks are a blight, Eldar are slavers, and every other xeno species either fear, resents, or preys on humanity. I've seen enough of their atrocities to know better."
Kesar's eyes narrowed in empathy. "The 97th Quiridian... they were massacred by Orks. That must leave a lasting mark."
For a moment, Karcer seemed far away, her gaze distant as if she were reliving that memory. Her eyes, however, burned with a mix of fury and guilt, emotions that seemed to tear at her from within.
"I wasn't there when it happened," she finally said, her voice tight. "There was an... incident with a superior officer. I was pulled back into command. If I'd stayed with the 97th, I'd probably have died with them."
Kesar nodded, respecting her privacy. "Your record didn't mention the incident."
"It was personal," Karcer replied, her tone firm. "And it's not something I'll be discussing."
Kesar wasn't about to push further. He could sense that Karcer harbored a lot of anger and resentment, likely directed at various figures—including, perhaps, himself. The last thing he wanted was to reopen old wounds.
Still, he needed clarity. "Karcer... are we going to have problems after you leave this room?"
She met his gaze, considering his question carefully. "What do I think about this, and will I act on it?" she replied, framing her response with her own question. "No. I won't act on it. Our goals are aligned, and you had the decency to tell me now rather than let this blow up later. I'd rather not be made a fool or put in a position where I'd have to denounce these dealings."
"But you strongly disagree with this alliance with xenos."
"Because it will haunt us," she said, her voice measured, "though maybe not for the reasons I suspect. What happened at Prospero was a catastrophic mistake—not just because a Primarch's homeworld was attacked, but because it sent a message that no one was truly safe. And yet, it was declared a popular decision. Do you know how many officers I've spoken to who privately said the Imperium didn't go far enough? A sizeable portion. And the rank and file? They despise psykers and aliens just as much."
Kesar had anticipated that, but he wanted to focus on her perspective. "I'm not asking about their opinions. What about yours? Do you think what happened wasn't enough?"
"I don't think deploying an entire division of the Black Brigades was a smart move," she admitted. "Summoning Magnus the Red to explain himself would have been the smarter, more public approach. But then again, I doubt either side was interested in a meeting."
"So you believe Magnus should've been punished?"
"If you'd asked me that a decade ago, I'd have said yes. But now?" Karcer's voice grew weary, as if tired of the entire conversation. "It doesn't matter. Consorting with xenos pales in comparison to treason."
"Can't argue with that," Kesar remarked, ending the topic. Clearly, Karcer had to either stay in the loop of everything or not at all. But considering how entangled she was now and how near disastrous it was otherwise, the Primarch didn't have much choice. "Then you'll be the first to know when a decision has been made regarding any alliance or dealings with alien entities."
Karcer shrugged, "I appreciate the gesture. So don't take this the wrong way. I hope that whatever you do doesn't come back to haunt us."
Kesar nodded, "You and me both."
Karcer Urial was an enigma. Even before the secession or the Coup, Kesar had tried to uncover more about her origins, but Terra remained silent. Oriacarius had also attempted to pry something from her, but Karcer was a master of keeping others at arm's length.
Kesar suspected that Karcer harbored deep-seated resentments toward the Wardens and the legions. The Epsilon incident certainly hadn't helped matters.
When Kesar questioned Roboute about his history with her, the Lord of Ultramar expressed regret. He hadn't intended to make her a scapegoat, but the political storm that followed was beyond his control.
Perhaps Malcador had seen potential in her for the Wardens, but the irony was that Karcer ultimately championed secession. Whether this was a sign that the Sigillite was losing his touch or if he had anticipated her demise—which nearly happened during countless assassination attempts and the Epsilon Compliance—was anyone's guess.
But Karcer proved resilient. She was intelligent and determined and garnered significant respect among the Imperial Army. Her defiance during the Epsilon disaster made her one of the few humans who dared stand against the Primarchs.
When the secession talks began, her voice was indispensable in a room full of Astartes. Her reputation among those who had fought at Epsilon and her presence in the metaphorical trenches earned her a following within the Maelstrom, including elements of the Imperial Army and a faction of the Wardens.
Kesar had grown weary of keeping her at a distance. He requested a private meeting to discuss certain "protocols" and the "sensitive issues" surrounding the true mission of the Eternal Wardens, hoping to clear the air.
When she arrived at his office, Karcer looked utterly exhausted, as if she hadn't slept in days or fought an intense battle. She explained, "Your First Captain and I just finished an eight-hour presentation on the nature of your true enemy."
"Ah, that'll do it." Kesar nodded, gesturing for her to sit as he prepared a cup of recaff. "Oriacarius can be relentless."
"That's a generous way to describe him," Karcer replied with a faint smile, her tension easing as she accepted the recaff. For once, she didn't seem on edge in his presence. "It was enlightening, though. I'll give him that."
Kesar offered a noncommittal "Hmm" before settling into his chair, savoring his chocolate-flavored recaff. "But I imagine it still left you with some questions."
"That's an understatement," Karcer said, watching him intently. "While I grasped the details, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the extent of this particular enemy—and why the Emperor saw fit to censor it so thoroughly."
Kesar nodded, his expression thoughtful. "That's a question I've pondered for years. But there's a reason for my Father's secrecy. Chaos is insidious. Simply knowing of its existence can draw its gaze."
Karcer, however, was unconvinced. "So what happens if someone learns about it through other means? What if they avoid corruption or death? What then?"
Kesar's response was blunt. "Mindscrubbing or a bullet to the head. Unless you're part of our legion."
"And your brothers? Did they get the same treatment?"
Kesar shifted uncomfortably, memories of past events surfacing. "No. Those cases were handled... delicately."
Karcer took a slow sip of her recaff. "Keeping information like this from humanity only deepens the divide between us and the Astartes. But I suppose that's irrelevant as long as no Space Marine has ever fallen to Chaos..."
"That's not entirely true," Kesar admitted, feeling she deserved honesty. "One of my brothers succumbed to it."
"Who?" she asked, her eyes narrowing.
"Lorgar Aurelian," Kesar said, his voice heavy with regret. "And his entire legion followed him."
Karcer seemed to appreciate the gravity of the situation. "That certainly justifies the Emperor's caution. If even one of his sons could fall, what hope does the average human have?"
But then her gaze hardened. "Yet it also underscores why this level of secrecy is dangerous. If your legion were destroyed, who would take up the fight? Would they not question what happened to the XIth and why this threat was kept from them?"
"This isn't a threat you can document," Kesar countered. "Even the mere knowledge of a daemon's name can be a vector for corruption. Ignorance, for those untrained, is their strongest defense."
Karcer, however, remained skeptical. "And no one on Terra considered developing protocols or programs to handle memetic threats or psychic intrusions? Ignorance might protect some, but if that's our only defense, we are doomed in the long term because we're breeding zealots and fools."
"It's a necessary evil," Kesar admitted.
"I'm not disputing that," Karcer replied, her tone sharp but measured. "Operational security is vital, sure. But when withholding crucial information from those on the front lines, you risk crippling their ability to fight effectively. It's one thing to be cautious but another to leave your people blind to the enemy's true nature. 'Know thy enemy,' right?"
Kesar nodded. "In time, protocols were established for the Astartes to handle these threats. But I don't believe the average commander—or any random trooper—can be trusted with such knowledge. The Maelstrom War showed how quickly loyalty can falter, how traitors and heretics emerge when faced with Chaos."
Karcer leaned forward, her expression grim. "But what if those Astartes become corrupted? Who watches the Watchmen, Kesar? Clearly, we can't broadcast this information to everyone, but relying solely on a select few isn't a sustainable solution either."
She paused, setting her cup down with a hint of frustration. "Look, we can revisit this later. I need more time to process all this insanity. For now, maybe the better question is—how do we win?"
Kesar seized the opportunity to shift the conversation. "A good question. The Wardens are already working on it. We're developing new technologies, crafting runes, and performing rituals that should help us push back against the Warp, just as we did during the Maelstrom. And we focus on eliminating daemons—the more powerful, the better."
"And what about these Chaos Gods?" Karcer asked, her eyes narrowing in anticipation. "How do we kill or curb their influence?"
Kesar hesitated, knowing the complexity of the answer. "That's the challenge. The Archdaemons dwell deep within the Warp, in realms where they control everything. They're guarded by vast armies of daemonic entities. However, they can't directly exert influence in the Materium."
"Except through their daemons and cultists," Karcer interjected. "It's a proxy war."
"Exactly," Kesar agreed. "Chaos spreads its influence subtly, another reason my Father kept it hidden. This is an ancient conflict, far older than humanity itself. Other civilizations have fought Chaos and failed."
Karcer scoffed. "So, we're supposed to succeed where older, more powerful civilizations have failed? That's encouraging," she said, her voice dripping with sarcasm. "This war will outlast us all, isn't it?"
"Likely," Kesar conceded, resigned to the reality. "But we aren't without allies. Once our declaration is made, I expect support from various quarters—at least for a time. Perturabo, Guilliman, and Khan are ready to aid us. Even the Aeldari have offered their assistance."
Karcer's reaction was immediate and furious. "The Eldar? Are you serious? Mention that to anyone else, and you'll lose humanity's support overnight."
Kesar was taken aback by her vehemence. "You don't approve?"
"Hell no," Karcer snapped. "I've seen what those bastards do. During a clean-up operation on Hangarvast, a resource world, I saw what they left behind. Pits full of civilians—babies, the elderly, the sick—slaughtered because they were deemed 'undesirable' by the Eldar."
Kesar winced internally. "Your record didn't mention Hangarvast."
"I was just a major then, shuffled around by lord commanders looking for a spot to place me. The survivors wanted someone higher up to see what happens when the PDF is underfunded and outmatched. So yes, the memory stuck with me."
Karcer's opposition to working with the Eldar—and aliens in general—was clear. "An unfortunate first impression," Kesar admitted, "but the Eldar have proven to be a useful and respectful ally in our struggle. Besides, I've learned there are distinctions within their species."
Karcer's eyes narrowed. "So we're not working with the slaver caste of the Eldar, then?"
Kesar hesitated, uncomfortable. "Not exactly. The leader of the Dark Eldar has offered assistance to the Wardens. I'm considering it." He met her gaze directly. "Is that going to be a problem?"
"Of course, it's a problem." Karcer's voice hardened. "Beyond the moral implications, you're risking our reputation. You know how many people have suffered at the hands of xeno slavers, and the Imperium's hatred of aliens runs deep." She sighed, visibly frustrated. "At least you're telling me now. I might have walked away from this entire endeavor if I'd found out later."
Kesar nodded, appreciating her candor. "Good to know."
After a moment, Karcer steadied herself. "What do we stand to gain from this alliance?"
"Resources, expertise, technology, weapons, access to the Webway, and specialist forces—like those we deployed during the Epsilon Compliance."
Karcer's expression darkened. "Eldar assets were involved in that compliance?" Her voice grew tense. "I wondered why the AI flagged war criminals. So, when exactly were you planning to tell me we had alien allies in our fleet?"
"It was just the one," Kesar replied calmly. "An operative, quite skilled in stealth and reconnaissance. He was working on rescuing Solarus."
Karcer frowned. "Wasn't that the Assassins' task?"
Kesar nodded. "It was."
Her expression didn't soften. The Primarch sensed she was weighing the implications of his dealings with aliens. "I don't want to work with xenos unless it's absolutely necessary."
"I understand your hesitation," Kesar said, then added, curious, "But you seem particularly agitated by the idea."
"Obviously," Karcer replied, her voice carrying a bitter edge. "Humanity can never truly cooperate with aliens—not without conditions that inevitably lead to conflict. We can barely stop fighting among ourselves. How can we hope to maintain peace with creatures whose perceptions are so alien to ours? Orks are a blight, Eldar are slavers, and every other xeno species either fear, resents, or preys on humanity. I've seen enough of their atrocities to know better."
Kesar's eyes narrowed in empathy. "The 97th Quiridian... they were massacred by Orks. That must leave a lasting mark."
For a moment, Karcer seemed far away, her gaze distant as if she were reliving that memory. Her eyes, however, burned with a mix of fury and guilt, emotions that seemed to tear at her from within.
"I wasn't there when it happened," she finally said, her voice tight. "There was an... incident with a superior officer. I was pulled back into command. If I'd stayed with the 97th, I'd probably have died with them."
Kesar nodded, respecting her privacy. "Your record didn't mention the incident."
"It was personal," Karcer replied, her tone firm. "And it's not something I'll be discussing."
Kesar wasn't about to push further. He could sense that Karcer harbored a lot of anger and resentment, likely directed at various figures—including, perhaps, himself. The last thing he wanted was to reopen old wounds.
Still, he needed clarity. "Karcer... are we going to have problems after you leave this room?"
She met his gaze, considering his question carefully. "What do I think about this, and will I act on it?" she replied, framing her response with her own question. "No. I won't act on it. Our goals are aligned, and you had the decency to tell me now rather than let this blow up later. I'd rather not be made a fool or put in a position where I'd have to denounce these dealings."
"But you strongly disagree with this alliance with xenos."
"Because it will haunt us," she said, her voice measured, "though maybe not for the reasons I suspect. What happened at Prospero was a catastrophic mistake—not just because a Primarch's homeworld was attacked, but because it sent a message that no one was truly safe. And yet, it was declared a popular decision. Do you know how many officers I've spoken to who privately said the Imperium didn't go far enough? A sizeable portion. And the rank and file? They despise psykers and aliens just as much."
Kesar had anticipated that, but he wanted to focus on her perspective. "I'm not asking about their opinions. What about yours? Do you think what happened wasn't enough?"
"I don't think deploying an entire division of the Black Brigades was a smart move," she admitted. "Summoning Magnus the Red to explain himself would have been the smarter, more public approach. But then again, I doubt either side was interested in a meeting."
"So you believe Magnus should've been punished?"
"If you'd asked me that a decade ago, I'd have said yes. But now?" Karcer's voice grew weary, as if tired of the entire conversation. "It doesn't matter. Consorting with xenos pales in comparison to treason."
"Can't argue with that," Kesar remarked, ending the topic. Clearly, Karcer had to either stay in the loop of everything or not at all. But considering how entangled she was now and how near disastrous it was otherwise, the Primarch didn't have much choice. "Then you'll be the first to know when a decision has been made regarding any alliance or dealings with alien entities."
Karcer shrugged, "I appreciate the gesture. So don't take this the wrong way. I hope that whatever you do doesn't come back to haunt us."
Kesar nodded, "You and me both."