Solar Auxilia Officer Quest. A 30k Early Great Crusade quest.
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So, a question was raised regarding how the Emperor did things like sparing Franc after they killed a few Custodes, or the mention of the Viet regiment of the Pan Pacific being integrated. It's just like with Albia in canon. The Emperor is currently not in a position where he can say no to groups like that offering good deals and bargains in exchange for joining the Imperium. He will try to get people on his side with diplomacy and is not above blatant bribing.
Something I have been playing with, is the extent to which the Emperor needed to make compromises and get the loyalty of Terra's rulers to achieve what he wanted. It's not a coincidence that a lot of rich Terrans are preparing for the Great Crusade with eagerness, that people are trying to put relatives in positions to rake in the rewards, etc.
The Emperor NEEDS the armies of the Unity States. He needs their resources, their administration. And if that means overlooking human rights violations or having his subordinates playing some politics and corruption to get what they want, he'll allow it.
Something I have been playing with, is the extent to which the Emperor needed to make compromises and get the loyalty of Terra's rulers to achieve what he wanted. It's not a coincidence that a lot of rich Terrans are preparing for the Great Crusade with eagerness, that people are trying to put relatives in positions to rake in the rewards, etc.
The Emperor NEEDS the armies of the Unity States. He needs their resources, their administration. And if that means overlooking human rights violations or having his subordinates playing some politics and corruption to get what they want, he'll allow it.
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I mean, that DOES run counter to his portrayal in the Horus Heresy and some of the short stories like The Last Church, but then, Canon Emps was a gigantic egotistical asshole who cut away his humanity and tossed it into the void.
Canon Emps would brook no other power structures than his own in his Imperium and frequently decimated existing elites if they tried to negotiate. To the point where he straight up told Horus that he shouldn't be negotiating with the Interrex, he should be wiping them out, when Horus called him for advice on the matter.
An Emperor more willing to work with existing power structures, even if only in the Enlightened Self-Interest route you're talking about actually makes me feel less like a dick for participating in a Pro-Imperium Quest.
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Well this was the early Imperium. The same one that negotiated with the Mechanicum and the Saturnyne Ordos and integrated the Jovians with minimal conflict!
The rulers of Terra, even by the time of the Horus Heresy, were still allowed to have their own 'Unity States' as part of the Imperium and had politicians that could get away with criticizing official Imperial policy.
No primarchs doing their own thing with their own plans and ideas for how the Imperium should work.
It's not that much of an AU, just using the more modern interpretation of The Emperor instead of the really early one.
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Other examples include the Manachean Commonwealth. This was a multi-system human polity under occupation by the Mitu Conglomerate, a Xenos species that used psi-active biomatter in a lot of their technology, and actively culled human Psykers. Even in the most pessimistic view, the Manachean just changed their flags, gained leaders of the same species, and were formed into a semi-autonomous Imperial vassal.
Their taxes stopped being in literal sacrifices in the form of people being butchered like cattle for components for macabre biotech, and just swapped to being taxes in goods, services, and soldiers that actually had a decent chance of surviving. And the Psyker-culling changed from something aliens did, to something the Imperium did, but instead of killing them all, they sent them to Terra for training as astropaths, and they were given FTL comms in return.
It's not even AU, as Big E regularly tried to get other polities, states, and so on to join peacefully and incorporate them into the developing Imperial bureaucracy, especially so in Terra when there were PLENTY of them that wouldn't and he couldn't afford to be the 'muh uber authoritarian' strawman that plenty like to tilt at him being.
Big E, outside of the agenda based flanderization, was always a Utilitarian of terrifying degree. While that could and did lead to terrible decisions in several respects, it also allowed for alternative methods to gain allegiance than brute force.
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The Great Crusade fundamentally is a psychotic mad dash to prevent the Rangda from hitting critical mass and bulldozing everyone or Orks (specifically, Gharkul Blackfang's WAAAGH and/or the Ullanor Empire) building back up to Krork and bulldozing everyone. If the galaxy in absolute chaos (lower c) is conquered enough to hold the line against Chaos (capital C) later all the better.
No really, RELIGION is one of his big no no, alongside AI, Xenos friendliness and overly osyker in nature. but the emperor have use diplomacy, like boetia, what is greece have his family dysnaty left intact so they can integrate and they didnt and rebel(in fact ether that didnt happen yet or it happen and our chararter probably have hear of it, we should ask the GM).
You are kinda misremenber, the emperor didnt tell that because the emperor wasnt there, that was Horus fresh of being war master I think he went against the megaranids with some emperor children and blood angels, THEN he find the interex and the kinebrach, there is Horus and Abbadon have a discussion because abbadon point out the emperor decree is kill the xenos and integrate the humans(yeah, Abaddon arguing the emperor side, funny that). Horus decide he will try a new aproach.....
Unfortunally, the best marines, erebus was there and the rest is story.
Point is, the emperor can try diplomacy and leniency, sometimes ruthlessly, a lot of earlier rouge trader were tecnobarbarian who didnt kneel and the emperor offer a choice to the start.
In fact one moment it our chararter would probably know is the is king of oxitana(which is a southern part of franc) battle against the emperor, the crimson sons, unit of 9 company of the XIII legion, were nearly destruct against it and yet at the end the king of gotha was given the choice of being a rouge trader or perish and the Sons were oathbound to him.
Given that happen in europa, our chararter probably know about it, better than other in fact.
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To emphasize the degree of autonomy that the Unity States on Terra had before the Horus Heresy.
The Custodes officially needed a warrant if they wanted enter Hy Brazil, a state which had been brought into compliance by force, and it's mentioned that a lot of rulers at the Hegemon of Terra (planetary government) could and did openly knock heads on Imperial policy.
The Custodes officially needed a warrant if they wanted enter Hy Brazil, a state which had been brought into compliance by force, and it's mentioned that a lot of rulers at the Hegemon of Terra (planetary government) could and did openly knock heads on Imperial policy.
Not just the Rangdan, the Orks were at a near critical mass point not to mention there were a LOT of post Humanity fall polities that were around Imperium sized that could have grown as fast as it did or slower. It's why the scattering of the Primarchs was such a messed up move, it threw off Big E's timetable and forced him to go without proper preparation of the sol system
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"-A great war cry almost like a chant is raised through vocal emitters, a noise of such pitch and intensity it sets the hair on the back of your neck on end. "Labaika ya Imperator!" The Golden Hegara spread out into smaller groups as the 'enemy' vehicles take aim at them. The ancient banners each squadron of riders carries with them erect energy fields that absorb incoming small arms fire and disrupts targeting systems. The large flutes carried by each squadron's musicians are raised to modified masks, each rider playing a tune that overloads a section of the electromagnetic spectrum, switching their music as the enemy attempts to adjust their targeting and communications."
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