Not really. His way of getting precognition should work just fine as well. He just physically time travels all of him, rather than just having his senses time travel.
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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Not really. His way of getting precognition should work just fine as well. He just physically time travels all of him, rather than just having his senses time travel.
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As to Disciplines, it should not be limited to those of the Kuei-jin. One must remember the Disciplines of the Cainites, the scions of Caine. At Elder levels, well, suffice to say, by 10 dots, it is the level of power wielded by the Antediluvians themselves, the 3rd Generation grandchilder of Caine, progenitors of all the Clans. It is literally called Plot Device.
Now, while the Akuma cannot reach said level, Elder levels of Cainite Disciplines are most potent. As an eternal, faithful devotee of the Ventrue, the Clan of Kings, one would advocate for Dominate, Presence, and Fortitude. Of course, many Cainites rightfully find Auspex and Obfuscate extremely useful and learn them as well, if they are not Clan Disciplines.
Now, while the Akuma cannot reach said level, Elder levels of Cainite Disciplines are most potent. As an eternal, faithful devotee of the Ventrue, the Clan of Kings, one would advocate for Dominate, Presence, and Fortitude. Of course, many Cainites rightfully find Auspex and Obfuscate extremely useful and learn them as well, if they are not Clan Disciplines.
I'm not sure if that is the case, but if so I think we should give the diviner auspex wouldn't bother with Dominate, too niche when the case for UMI is much more limited.
If we can get kindred disciples, I think we should get Obfuscate 8 for a stealth specialist. Between the powers and x3 modiffier that's a very good showing.
I do have an actual real question for people who want to either assassinate or kill the emperor what is the plan for fighting the Imperium of man after that?
The Imperium of Man for all that it is a cult of personality around the emperor does have a functioning administrative, military, production, espionage and legal apparatus behind it. That does not actually require the emperor to function and would be insanely angry and almost immediately genocidal if we did kill the emperor and a large number of planets within that grouping including possibly Mars and a significant number of their Forge worlds. This is before we get into the loyalist primarchs and their own Legions which if we are unlucky might include Guilliman and the Ultramar sector but almost certainly will include Leman Russ, Dorn and Horus.
Even if the Imperium of man does implode which while it is a Cult of personality it shouldn't at very least nowhere near quick enough to avoid a war with a relatively close star system that's restrained mostly to a single planet. That the mechanicus have a strong interest in destroying anyway so there's no viable rival for the production capacity of their own ring of iron and the Imperium who we just killed their not God I don't see how that's a war that can be won without heinous losses of human life and possibly the planet itself dying from just thousands of exterminatus class weapons being levied at it from all directions.
The Imperium of Man for all that it is a cult of personality around the emperor does have a functioning administrative, military, production, espionage and legal apparatus behind it. That does not actually require the emperor to function and would be insanely angry and almost immediately genocidal if we did kill the emperor and a large number of planets within that grouping including possibly Mars and a significant number of their Forge worlds. This is before we get into the loyalist primarchs and their own Legions which if we are unlucky might include Guilliman and the Ultramar sector but almost certainly will include Leman Russ, Dorn and Horus.
Even if the Imperium of man does implode which while it is a Cult of personality it shouldn't at very least nowhere near quick enough to avoid a war with a relatively close star system that's restrained mostly to a single planet. That the mechanicus have a strong interest in destroying anyway so there's no viable rival for the production capacity of their own ring of iron and the Imperium who we just killed their not God I don't see how that's a war that can be won without heinous losses of human life and possibly the planet itself dying from just thousands of exterminatus class weapons being levied at it from all directions.
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Yzarc
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Disciplines of all kinds only go up to 5.
Darn, Obfuscate 5, obtenebration 3 it is then
If we have to...
Ally with the Eldar for Webway access, kill all their astropaths, break the machin cult's altars, watch them speed run the age of strife while we mentain coms with the beacons.
Also we'd have the Emperor's soul, I'm sure he'd make a great akuma...
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There's at least in my opinion no Universe with Eldar would ever help monkeys do anything especially helping monkeys pursue a war they love or very least do not dislike heinous amounts of human lives being lost most of the time because in the best light we're seen as usurpers or in the worst light Primitives only deserving of death the Eldar do not like humans at all this is before the fact you'd be negotiating with the Proto Dark Eldar which were specifically so degenerate they left so they could be in the web way away from the actual Elder Empire and are actively inspiring myths of fairies by kidnapping people and turning into human sofas at this point.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Eldar are not a monolithic race. They are very broken. In canon the Emperor was allied with a faction of Eldar but that did not open the entire webway to him.
The second is webways do not allow you to teleport like this, so you will not be getting, say the navigators in a ship in orbit. Even the ones on ground would require you to sneak in and kill them.
Doing this for hundreds of people on hundreds of wotlds is not feasable.
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Also the Lion would be pissed off at us, and the First Legion has a lot of the nastier toys from the DAOT, including Men of Iron bound to obey them and nastier things that were used during the Rangdan Xenocides. And the Lion is big on loyalty, probably one of his Mythos Archetypes, so he'd be pissed off enough to use all the big guns on us and anyone who helps us. He's also skilled enough in personal combat and battle tactics to wipe the floor with a Space Marine in Terminator while unarmored and having just met the Imperium, so I wouldn't bet on Lorgar or Fan in a duel either.
Yeah the lion is a monster especially the Young Lion he's very specifically a counterpart to Russ in where Russ plays at being a beast he's got a sense of Honor nobility he's the noble savage then lion plays the knight chivalrous but at his core he's an armored killer who will do anything to secure his victory burn down entire cities bombard entire planets kill entire population nothing is beyond the pale for the lion Caliban used to be a world covered in forests by the time he is done the beasts are all cleansed but so is the forest. But I was more talking about their known retrieval order.
If we reap the Emperor's soul things get a lot easier. If we want to kill the astropaths we can do it by arcane link, or we can make our own Emperor... The Ebon Dragon would approve of the imitation I'm sure. 😉
I have a feeling Lion will not like us even when we are not trying to assassinate big E.
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More likely that it'd implode due to massive amounts of civil wars due to conquered nations trying to re-establish themselves since it's recent enough to be memory, or imperium loyalists believing that they should rule and forming mini imperium successors in a bid for power.
We have someone closer to their machine deity so I'd imagine they'd try to woo us to get closer to something they worship.
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Hm, it is not necessarily a hard lock as it inevitably will be with Mortarion, but one shares the suspicion that there will likely be hostility where Jonson is concerned, yes, one way or another.
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Hm, even if any possible plans to kill the Emperor remain only as backup plans, it would behoove Fan Morgal to make other contingencies against the likes of, say, Mortarion, Jonson, and Russ, to name a few. In the case of Jonson, well, the more that one ruminates upon it, the more uneasy that one becomes about Jonson's eventual reaction towards Fan Morgal and Lorgar.
Then, there is Malcador. With him, it is going to be a war of intrigue, inevitably. Rooting out any spies he sends is pointless, as he will simply send more. What is necessary is to subvert his infiltrators so that their ultimate loyalty is to Fan Morgal and Lorgar, not Malcador.
Then, there is Malcador. With him, it is going to be a war of intrigue, inevitably. Rooting out any spies he sends is pointless, as he will simply send more. What is necessary is to subvert his infiltrators so that their ultimate loyalty is to Fan Morgal and Lorgar, not Malcador.
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If we move to a heavily augmented society where everyone on Colchis has a noosphere interface, cortex implants, and genetor augments that grant another form of super intelligence; then it would become very hard to infiltrate that society.
Everyone would have a massive digital trail, for one thing.
Mind control is still a thing, if nothing else Malcador can have his agents brute force turn our citizens... unless we somehow manage to figure out how to add 'people under UMI' to the evil list.
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Hm, one did post Oculus Imperia's video about The Nightmare Truth of the Imperium of Man, about the horrific depths of its evil. One rather likes it. For reference, one will post it again:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmEa2SLLMg
Oculus Imperia is quite eloquent in describing how the Imperium had not really changed since the days before it expanded across the stars. The scale and complexity had expanded, but the means had certainly not changed. To those who know their history, it was quite predictable that the Imperium, a tyranny like so many others before it, the ur-tyranny, utilized the tropes of creating external enemies for the sake of tightening tribal nationalism of the ones within the regime. At the same time, control was further secured via the eternal warning of recidivism, a return to the horrors and degeneracies of a previous, worse era should the society, the nation, deviate from the one true, correct path prescribed and dictated by the leader, asserting that there were no better ways, that the Imperium was the only way.
Along with it, Oculus Imperia mentions rampant propaganda based upon circular, self-justifying logic to maintain the eternal revolution towards the envisioned utopian state, all centered around a leader who was purported to be infallible, whose ends could never not justify his means, his word was truth, and his truth would cause reality to shift in order to accommodate it.
One is also quite fond of the video about the Imperial Truth:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSBoQxQxSk
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmEa2SLLMg
Oculus Imperia is quite eloquent in describing how the Imperium had not really changed since the days before it expanded across the stars. The scale and complexity had expanded, but the means had certainly not changed. To those who know their history, it was quite predictable that the Imperium, a tyranny like so many others before it, the ur-tyranny, utilized the tropes of creating external enemies for the sake of tightening tribal nationalism of the ones within the regime. At the same time, control was further secured via the eternal warning of recidivism, a return to the horrors and degeneracies of a previous, worse era should the society, the nation, deviate from the one true, correct path prescribed and dictated by the leader, asserting that there were no better ways, that the Imperium was the only way.
Along with it, Oculus Imperia mentions rampant propaganda based upon circular, self-justifying logic to maintain the eternal revolution towards the envisioned utopian state, all centered around a leader who was purported to be infallible, whose ends could never not justify his means, his word was truth, and his truth would cause reality to shift in order to accommodate it.
One is also quite fond of the video about the Imperial Truth:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiSBoQxQxSk
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So the list, which has a number of races who were killed by other aliens, shows that 40k is filled with assholes no matter their species. No surprises there.