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Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)

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Those wards must be very strong, if Dharok can't punch through them when his Mythos should be at full power, stacking with his power armour and his power fist, further enhanced by Solar Hero Style.

And I'm really glad we came to stop him.

Last thought, would using MHM+PIO to create exotic conceptual attacks be better at attacking the symbol?

Also, third usage of CCC should allow us to get through any barrier, surely?
 
Fuck

Neverborn are worse.

As an Infernal, the Ebon Dragon is at least nominally on our side until he feels like fucking us over.

The Neverborn OTOH just want Oblivion to take everything. . .
 
No attacks can effect him until the wards go down. The Wards are directly feeding off the ritual and has been fed the souls of the Chaos Warriors who have died so far.

You can bring it down through attack damage but it will take time that you do not have.
 
Err...to clarify, you can try and Counter magic the Wards as THAT is a valid option, which is the bring down the wards choice. Attacks are not.
 
Starh said:
Would AMI work on the wards to learn its weaknesses, then use PIO to destroy them?
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Not on the Wards. That is a seperate Charm. EDS.
KnightofTempest said:
Here's a question?

Why not use enuncia to break the wards, then go after Kairos with our Daemonslayer Charms?
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You can try certainly, and that is part of the Counter magic option but be warned that Kairos is pulling directly from the warp and has a massive head start.

Mechanically, what that means is that he has rolled a few times and has banked some sux that you will need to reduce.
 
Yzarc said:
Not on the Wards. That is a seperate Charm. EDS.

You can try certainly, and that is part of the Counter magic option but be warned that Kairos is pulling directly from the warp and has a massive head start.

Mechanically, what that means is that he has rolled a few times and has banked some sux that you will need to reduce.
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What's stopping us from using Enuncia to alter Fate in such a way that he has to use those suxx?

Given that its obviously not actually Kairos, I mean? I have a hard time believing that Tzeench would let Kairos go over to the Neverborn's side, after all. . .
 
Sound passes through the wards - we can hear him speak.

How about we speak Enuncia and using Vorien to inflict True Death on him?

Of course, that has its own risk if it works.
 
Edited the options a bit to clarify things.

Also Write ins are allowed, though how effective they are depends on what you want to do and how.
KnightofTempest said:
What's stopping us from using Enuncia to alter Fate in such a way that he has to use those suxx?

Given that its obviously not actually Kairos, I mean? I have a hard time believing that Tzeench would let Kairos go over to the Neverborn's side, after all. . .
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As for weakening the wards with Enuncia, that will remove sux from it.

The main issue is that Chaos is loosing and the Ghost army will be attacking you soon. So it is a risk, a valid option certainly, but a risk.
Alratan said:
Sound passes through the wards - we can hear him speak.

How about we speak Enuncia and using Vorien to inflict True Death on him?

Of course, that has its own risk if it works.
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You can try this certainly.
 
I think the social attack is best because that is contested, which means we can Shadow Spite Curse his rolls. The wards most likely just have a standing number of successes we have to hit which either works or it does not and we have no way to buff the True faith dice pool.
 
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Hmm. The wards are a construct that someone built.

We could use Syaan to break it down for parts for recycling.
 
[X] Talk the daemon into allowing itself to be killed. (Roll True Faith Use Willpower)
-[X] Use Shaodw Spite Curse to penalize any opposed rolls (Willpower+Iron Will+CCC)
 
Something else to consider, Dharok and Lorgar should try to use their true faith together if they do.

In terms of Ward breaking, we have an advantage that all three of the party can contribute.

Lorgar can use True Faith Countermagic enhanced by Enuncia.

Dharok can use pure True Faith Countermagic

Fan can use Principle Invoking Onslaught to produce exotic conceptual effects while benefiting from Tool Transcending Constructs and the speed increase of Experimental Acceleration Mastery, all enhanced by Syaan to try to dismantle the wards as they're weakened by the True Faith countermagic.
 
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I think we can do social via lorgar while we counterspell to prevent the ritual from succeeding, rather than letting it weakening it.
 
Hmm. PIO allows the Infernal to create exotic and possibly conceptual attacks.

Can we manifest anti-warp exotic attacks and directly attack the ritual?
 
I will laugh if the Ebon Dragon's charms successfully prevent the formation of a Shadowland.

Also, a question (or a series of connected questions); can we make more geneseed than regular production allows? Do we have the capability to make female space marines between 'I understand how this works' and 'you can ask the magic genie to make you like the Primarch'? About how many Astartes can the tribe support right now? If I recall correctly they're supposed to eat something like ten times the amount of food normal folks require, right?

Could we use Principle Invoking Onslaught to kill a few Chaos Warriors and turn them into something that is opposed to Shadowlands? An equivilent amount of salt and gold that we use to mark out a border to the shadowlands as a ward perhaps, making it smaller and smaller by slicing off a few bits here and there while restoring the damage?

Alternately, maybe combine Faith effects and Solar Hero Style to make Holy attacks on Kairos? Exalted may believe in the Supremacy of Defense but Perfect Defenses are expensive to use and he'll have to choose between rushing his project or abandoning it to keep himself alive when faced with someone who can actually kill him.
 
Just looking back, when Dharok redeemed the part of his soul the Chaos Gods had corrupted, it was DC10. This is a problem.

As far as I can see, neither Lorgar nor Dharok have any protection from the usual effect of 1s taking away successes. That means that even spending Willpower we're only a bit more likely to succeed than fail, and there's a relatively high chance of outright botching.

The chance of having one or more success is slightly lower than 0.8^10 + (1-0.9^10).

I'm away for my computer but that's not a grate chance.
 
Alratan said:
Just looking back, when Dharok redeemed the part of his soul the Chaos Gods had corrupted, it was DC10. This is a problem.
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Not quite. You need 5 sux on a Faith roll to convince the daemon that it deserves to die. The actual difficulty is lower due to it conducing the ritual and being strained so much.
Slamu said:
Also, a question (or a series of connected questions); can we make more geneseed than regular production allows? Do we have the capability to make female space marines between 'I understand how this works' and 'you can ask the magic genie to make you like the Primarch'? About how many Astartes can the tribe support right now? If I recall correctly they're supposed to eat something like ten times the amount of food normal folks require, right?
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I have not really given a thought to many of these tbh.
Slamu said:
Could we use Principle Invoking Onslaught to kill a few Chaos Warriors and turn them into something that is opposed to Shadowlands? An equivilent amount of salt and gold that we use to mark out a border to the shadowlands as a ward perhaps, making it smaller and smaller by slicing off a few bits here and there while restoring the damage?
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Not how it works. It makes crafting material, so you would need to kill a daemon for magical reagents to make a Working to counter the shadowland.
Slamu said:
Alternately, maybe combine Faith effects and Solar Hero Style to make Holy attacks on Kairos? Exalted may believe in the Supremacy of Defense but Perfect Defenses are expensive to use and he'll have to choose between rushing his project or abandoning it to keep himself alive when faced with someone who can actually kill him.
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You will need to attempt this to find out.
 
Yzarc said:
Not how it works. It makes crafting material, so you would need to kill a daemon for magical reagents to make a Working to counter the shadowland.
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Alas. If only there was a daemon nearby that could be killed to help counter the shadowland, preferably one with a prophecy of mortality hanging over its head and with a few demigods on hand to punch it a lot. Oh well, back to the drawing board I suppose.

Yzarc said:
I have not really given a thought to many of these tbh.
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No worries, these questions are more in the vein of "trying to get thinking happening" than "must get answers now". (And the female space marines is more about doubling our potential talent pool than anything else)

Yzarc said:
Not quite. You need 5 sux on a Faith roll to convince the daemon that it deserves to die. The actual difficulty is lower due to it conducing the ritual and being strained so much.
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If you roll 3 sux it's enough to convince a daemon that it's fat! /joke
 
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