Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Bear in mind that it will not be easy to heal his soul if it gets really messed up. Like a Minor Quest worth of Effort at the minimum.
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While that would be problematic in terms of time and effort, it's not as bad as him melting on the spot in my opinion. A hard road to become a hero is a fine narrative, it is not the same as 'and then the Chaos Gods laughed themselves sick at the results'.
You know, it's a shame we haven't granted Lorgar the Shapechange mutation yet. If we had, and we go for the Wish option, Dharok migth be able to pick it up for 'free', which could be useful ahead of the battle.
Just to note for the thread, this is one reason why it has amazing synergies with using AMIx2 to reverse engineer technological blueprints for the non-supernatural mutations as genetor augments is so amazing, and why I want to start yesterday.
If we build up a decent sample population to have, say, a combination of the Mega-Physical, Mega-Mental, Mega-Social, Mega-Health, Exalted Healing, Double Longevity, Double Extra Actions, Darksight, and Immunity to Disease, Poison, and Radiation mutations, then it should be possible to turn that into a genetor augmentation package where all the parts work together without any conflicts.
We can apply give it to people using genetic technology without using charm tech of Fan's valuable actions. It would only take eleven years to stack all those mutations together on each individual.
Would we be able to buy a Wholeness Rightly Assured option to heal spiritual damage?
Just to note for the thread, this is one reason why it has amazing synergies with using AMIx2 to reverse engineer technological blueprints for the non-supernatural mutations as genetor augments is so amazing, and why I want to start yesterday.
If we build up a decent sample population to have, say, a combination of the Mega-Physical, Mega-Mental, Mega-Social, Mega-Health, Exalted Healing, Double Longevity, Double Extra Actions, Darksight, and Immunity to Disease, Poison, and Radiation mutations, then it should be possible to turn that into a genetor augmentation package where all the parts work together without any conflicts.
We can apply give it to people using genetic technology without using charm tech of Fan's valuable actions. It would only take eleven years to stack all those mutations together on each individual.
Would we be able to buy a Wholeness Rightly Assured option to heal spiritual damage?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
For physical damage? Sure. But Spiritual? That will take a LOT more effort, depending on what when wrong and how badly.
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[x] He wishes to become more like Lorgar
So we can't just buy more iterations of Wholeness Rightly Assumed to expand the range of phenomena we can repair?
Article: WHOLENESS RIGHTLY ASSUMED
Prerequisite Charms: Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy
The restoration of the changed self takes first priority above other repairs, but lesser defects may yet mar greater designs if left unchecked. This Charm is actually a cluster of Charms that can be learned in any order, each of which broadens Ego-Infused Pattern Primacy to be able to repair another state. Note that each interval of healing can only reverse one undesired effect. Possible options for Wholeness Rightly Assumed include: Crippling, Sickness and Poison.
The way I was reading it was that the three listed options weren't exhaustive, and that spiritual injuries would be 'another state' that could be repaired. Or perhaps there are multiple kinds of spiritual injuries possible so we'd need multiple purchases to fix multiple of them.
Presumably if it we tried to use sorcery to fix the damage it would at least count as some of these:
+1 roll for having a Charm, spell, anima power, or other magical ability that's related to the Working or Spell.
+1 roll for tools suffused with resonant Essence. Tools made from charms apply if the user's Essence is resonant.
+2 rolls for having a resonant Essence. For Infernals, this is limited to their Caste/Favoured Yozi.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
It is not so much, his soul was shaped into something else against his will, but he willingly changed so that defaults into his natural state.
Healing him works by restoring him to his natural state. Hence the problem.
You would need to rewrite him via Sorcery to undo the damage.
Rolls are circumstance specific.
Healing him works by restoring him to his natural state. Hence the problem.
You would need to rewrite him via Sorcery to undo the damage.
Rolls are circumstance specific.
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Ah, good, I was worried we were generally unable to heal spiritual injuries, which could have been a real problem.
Edit: Hmm, I wonder if this clause of Scoured Perfection of Form would help:
Article: Alternately, this Charm may also be used to remove mutations, in which case the target still owes the Infernal later, but the former mutant regains any experience points invested in the trait. It is not uncommon for Cecelyne to give a mutation and collect the price, then collect again to remove the gift when the target comes to fear and hate what he has become.
As this seems to strongly suggest that it reverses the Wish to change his default state. Perhaps as one step of the task to fix him.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
More that you inject the liquid t cells and wish them into shape.
It would be really strange for the Imperial Heralds to show up on this world if we do make it. Just as an non-exhaustive list:
- Magic and spirits everywhere, the planet is alive and it hands out magic gifts
- The only world where the Primarch managed to make other Marines.
- Those Marines are in DAoT armor.
- ...the armor hands out magical Mechanicum power because their Primarch made it do that
- Then there is Fan Morgal. He grants wishes for service. No, no it's all fine we promise
[X] He wishes to become more like Lorgar
No matter what Emps is going to be very confused on how Lorgar already has Space Marines when he shows up
No matter what Emps is going to be very confused on how Lorgar already has Space Marines when he shows up
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
It was all Corax's fault. Blame it on him.
My bad.
Other Legions: Several years of heavy surgeries and gruelling psycho-conditioning.
[Name pending] after their shot of Space Marine Serum: "IDK, have y'all tried motivation ?"
Well him and the Ad Mech. Even with Wishing I do not think we could have done this without a hero Biomancer.
Speaking of Thalassa, has she decided what kind of thing she'd like to wish for?
It would be really strange for the Imperial Heralds to show up on this world if we do make it. Just as an non-exhaustive list:
- Magic and spirits everywhere, the planet is alive and it hands out magic gifts
- The only world where the Primarch managed to make other Marines.
- Those Marines are in DAoT armor.
- ...the armor hands out magical Mechanicum power because their Primarch made it do that
- Then there is Fan Morgal. He grants wishes for service. No, no it's all fine we promise
We are going to have to do some serious work to cover this up.
Getting Eldritch Secrets Mastery so we can pretend to merely be a powerful techno-shaman who found a major cache of archeotech is probably something we want to do sooner rather than later.
Thinking of other elements of cover story I think we might want to go back to some of the ideas I proposed for things we could Shape with CCP. Basically to act as Distraction Carnifexes
Take, for example, the possibility of Shaping a stasis locked bunker containing the students and staff of a DAoT university. And/or a time lost DAoT military unit. Possibly based on the memories of Colchis' world soul from what and who was actually present at the world's height.
To take an extreme example, the Emperor is likely to think he has much bigger things to worry about if the lead elements of the Great Crusade approaching Colchi's sector
are intercepted by hypertech ships flying the flag of the Federation of Humanity and proclaiming loyalty to its ideals.
More realistically, if we play our cards exactly right the Emperor may never come to Colchis and meet Fan. It may be possible to have expanded to such a degree that Lorgar meets the Emperor on another world we've integrated. That would make life a lot easier, as then we can keep a lot of suspicious activity away from his easy inspection.
Another strong possibility, if the charm is available, is to learn Splintered Gale Shintai and turn one of the mortal avatars into a powerful space marine psyker-shaman. That iteration of Fan can then pretend to be the original.
And, of course, Corax hadn't been found at that point.
Talking of which, I suggested before that we see if we can use the useful Essence 1 servants version of CCP to Shape a squad of Imperial Heralds with the narrative that they lost in the warp due to a Gellar field or teleportation accident, ideally making them echoes of real space marines who that really happened to.
If this is possible it would give us a much better cover story.
Unfortunately it would seem to require multiple years of VER granted merits and mutations to prepare a space marine candidate for this method, Yzarc was also non-committal about whether we could make demons that could Endow or otherwise bless people with their charms to prepare them.
When we get a manse, it would probably be worth investigating whether we can make magical infrastructure to support this process so that VEE isn't required. We could also consider option ms like the temporary possession by demons to support the process that I proposed for helping with other mutations.
Given the danger involved, we might also want to grant them the Lucky merit and Destiny background to make it more likely to work.
DAoT Warp Research institute might be fitting, one that is hooked into the world soul. If we play our cards right we can claim to be the regent of Colchis. All the magic and sorcery isn't us it's the world-soul.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I will just say this. Space Marines are Demigods. Weak ones but Demigods.
What this means is that you cannot shape them into existance or normally wish someone into them as they will not connect to a Primarch's Mythos.
So what you get is something that looks like a Space Marine but without the X factor that allows them to defy fate and win where they would loose.
What this means is that you cannot shape them into existance or normally wish someone into them as they will not connect to a Primarch's Mythos.
So what you get is something that looks like a Space Marine but without the X factor that allows them to defy fate and win where they would loose.
That's a great idea. A DAoT institute that was researching the World Soul.
Hmm. Could we try to do something in collaboration with Lorgar where he imprints his narrative/mythos on a region of a Daemon World/the Wound to create the idea of the space marines, to provide the connection to him, and we then Shape them into reality?
Basically a joint sorcerous working that uses CCP as part of the process that both Dan and Lorgar perform together.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
This is a matter of compatability. You would need Sorcery to make some one comparable which is Resource intensive.
Then there is Lorgar and his brothers. THEY must also be comparable.
So it is a two way road. External factors do not really apply as the factors are innate and personal.
Not what you are or what you can do, stuff like merits etc, but WHO you are.
Presumably, if we're talking about Shaping people from the raw potential of the Warp, we're specifying who they are, telling their story so well they become real. At least, that's been my interpretation of how Wyld Shaping works, why for Solars it's a Lore charm. It's about writing something or someone a history and making it 'true'.
Now, that wouldn't help for Wishes, but if we're making people de novo, or, alternatively, trying to make echoes of people who one existed or could have existed in this timeline or another, we get to pick who we make real?