[x] Adorjan
[X] Ebon Dragon
[X] Solar Hero Style

Adorjan will give us charms that make us significantly better at killing things and potentially lead to Splintered Gale Shintai, which could be amazingly useful as we can grant them superpowers with VEE.

Having clones of Fan that are superhuman Alpha grade psyker shamans with high levels of True Faith running around would be amazingly useful.

They could also make great decoys to the Emperor, as we could for example, have such a clone meet him to disguise Fan's true nature.

The Ebon Dragon allows us to magnify our successes with CCC and to disguise ourselves extraordinarily well, so is a strong runner up in my mind.
 
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I was just looking back over our charms, and was thinking that now we're Essence 2, we can grant people wishes that give them two dot external Backgrounds.

This could be immensely useful for our Tasks this turn.

For example, for our Uplift task, we could grant craftsman dots in Artifact and then they'll coincidentally find archeotech tools. Given that Colchis' orbit is full of DAoT shipyards, they could literally fall out of the sky. I'm not sure if it would be an unfair exploit for the task they have to do in return for the wish be to lend the artifact to the tribe and allow it to be studied. I'm not sure what it would be, but presumably there's an external
background that reflects having an archeotech workshop, perhaps parallel to the Manse background. Similarly, Resources can probably be used to grant access to sustainable sources of raw materials which could simply fall from the sky on a regular basis. I'd expect that if a cluster of related background are granted to a bunch of people at the same time, the fate manipulation to produce them would be consolidated, for example by a single object de orbiting intact and then being split between them.

Similarly, for our Diplomacy, we can grant members of our tribe the Ally, Contacts, Followers, Spies and Retainers backgrounds specifying they relate to other tribes.

Followers 2 might only give ten followers, but the default for those followers is that they're of the competence level of elite soldiers. That could easily be a significant fraction of the strength of a small tribe. If they decide to become followers of one of our tribe, particularly if several groups of ten do, they could well bring the rest of their tribe with them, which we can make much more likely by grating the Followers their own two dots in that Background.

This kind of thing would be particularly good if pooled Backgrounds exist as they do in some WW games, where a bunch of people can combine their dots to represent a single piece of infrastructure, so say, five craftsmen could each have two dots in a background representing a workshop to represent one worth ten dots, like how Chantry worked in Mage.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Phoenix853456! on May 13, 2024 at 7:07 AM, finished with 84 posts and 24 votes.
 
Votes closed.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on May 13, 2024 at 9:31 AM, finished with 84 posts and 24 votes.
 
Turn 3: The Emperor's New Clothes
Colchis - 831.M30

You awaken, the tendrils of a dream slipping from your grasp like sand through an hourglass. Desperate to cling to its fading remnants, you strain against the dark, only to be left with a hollow ache of forgotten significance. Something profound had transpired within that ephemeral realm, a revelation or a prophecy perhaps, but its essence eludes your waking mind, leaving only a sense of longing and bewilderment in its wake.

As you lie in your tent, the fabric fluttering softly in the breeze, you attempt to piece together the fragments of your dream. There was purpose, a calling that beckoned you with a weighty urgency. Yet, despite your efforts, the dream slips further away, leaving behind only a tantalizing echo of what once was.

Frustrated, you rise from your bed and make your way to the water jug, hoping that a drink might clear the fog that clouds your thoughts. As you sip the cool liquid, you close your eyes, willing the memories to resurface, yet it was all for naught. Frustrated, you get up and start performing all the morning functions, eating food and getting ready for the day.

And then, like a thunderclap in the silence of your mind, it comes to you. In that dream, you were given a choice, a choice that would irrevocably alter the course of your existence. Though the specifics remain shrouded in the mists of forgetfulness, the impact of your decision reverberates within you, a seismic shift in your very being.

As you contemplate this revelation, a familiar voice breaks through the stillness of the desert dawn. It is Lorgar's voice, resonant and commanding, drawing you toward its source like a lodestar in the vast expanse of the desert.

Compelled, you follow the sound, each step bringing you closer to the oasis where Lorgar stands, a beacon of wisdom and strength amidst the shifting sands. The tribe gathers around him, enraptured by his words, which speak of faith and self-belief, of the untapped potential that lies dormant within each of them.

His words are like a balm to your soul, silencing the whispers and voices that have plagued you and the tribe ever since you came to the wound. You feel a sense of peace wash over you, a sense of purpose and clarity that you have not felt in a while.

You watch as Lorgar continues to speak, his words weaving a spell over the assembled tribesmen. You can see the effect his words are having on them, the way their faces light up with understanding and hope.

"My friends," he began, his voice carrying across the clearing, "I come to you not as a leader, but as a fellow traveler on the path of life. I have seen much, learned much, and I wish to share with you the greatest lesson I have learned: the power of faith in oneself."

A murmur ran through the crowd, a mixture of curiosity and anticipation. Lorgar unrolled the scroll, revealing neat rows of symbols and words, each carefully penned by his own hand.

"This," he said, tapping the scroll, "is the faith that I have written down. It is not a faith in gods or spirits, though they have their place. It is a faith in you, in each and every one of you. It is a belief that you are capable of greatness, that you have the strength and the courage to face any challenge that comes your way."

He paused, letting his words sink in. Then he continued, his voice strong and unwavering.

"You see, my friends, faith is not about praying to some distant deity or asking for miracles. It is about believing in yourself, in your own abilities and worth. It is about knowing that no matter how hard the road may be, you have the power within you to walk it with dignity and grace."

He looked around the clearing, meeting the eyes of his people.

"I have seen you all face hardships and trials, and I have seen you overcome them with courage and determination. You are strong, my friends, stronger than you know. And it is time for you to see that strength for yourselves."

With that, Lorgar began to read from the scroll, his voice clear and steady. He spoke of overcoming fear and doubt, of embracing one's own uniqueness and worth. He spoke of the power of determination and perseverance, of never giving up even in the face of adversity.

As he spoke, something remarkable began to happen. The people of the tribe listened, truly listened, and a change came over them. They stood a little taller, their eyes shone a little brighter, and a sense of purpose filled the air.

When Lorgar finished, there was silence. Then, slowly, one by one, the people began to applaud. It started as a few scattered claps, but soon it swelled into a thunderous roar of approval and admiration.

Lorgar smiled, a smile of pure joy and satisfaction. He had done it. He had given his people something priceless, something that would stay with them long after he was gone. He had given them faith in themselves.

And then, suddenly, he stops. His gaze sweeps over the crowd, and for a moment, his eyes meet yours. There is recognition in his eyes, a knowing smile playing at the corners of his lips.

He beckons you forward, and you step out of the crowd. The tribesmen turn to look at you, their eyes filled with curiosity.

"Lorgar," you say, your voice barely more than a whisper. "I heard your voice, and I followed it here."

He nods, his smile widening. "You have come at the right time, Father. Join us, and together, we will find the faith that lies within us all."

You shake your head, an idea popping into your mind. Instead of asking him to follow you, you wait until he says his goodbyes, and together, both of you retreat to your tent. Once inside, you bring out tools and materials for crafting.

The idea has been born from a collective need to protect the tribe from the malevolent forces that seem to lurk at the edges of the Wound. You had thought of creating amulets and symbols imbued with protective properties, but the specifics of their design and crafting have yet to be determined.

"We must ensure that these amulets are not just symbols," Lorgar muses, his voice deep and resonant. "They must carry within them a true essence of protection, a force that can repel evil."

You nod in agreement, your mind already racing with ideas. "Perhaps we could carve the symbols into pieces of bone or stone," you suggest. "And then infuse them with herbs or oils known for their protective properties."

Lorgar considers your suggestion, his gaze distant as if consulting with unseen forces. "Yes," he says finally, "that could work. But we must also consider the symbols themselves. They must be meaningful, not just random designs."

Together, you begin to sketch out various symbols, each one representing different aspects of protection and warding off evil. Lorgar shares his knowledge of ancient symbols and their meanings, while you contribute your artistic skill and understanding of materials.

As the sun ascends the horizon, casting shadows across the desert sands, you and Lorgar finalize the designs for the amulets and symbols. The next step will be to begin crafting them, imbuing each one with the protective energies you have discussed.

"We have the designs," Lorgar intoned, his voice resonating with power. "But to truly empower these symbols, we require a wellspring of energy, a force capable of imbuing them with the protective power we seek."

"We require a wellspring of energy that is both potent and enduring," You say. "I believe that source lies within the realm of faith."

Lorgar nodded. "But how do we harness faith as a tangible force?" he inquired, eager to explore the possibilities.

Leaning forward, your eyes gleamed with newfound inspiration. "Ritualized behavior," you revealed. "People can do specific actions at set times, infusing the amulets with the essence of their faith."

"Group rituals could also serve our purpose," you added, the pieces of the puzzle beginning to align in your mind. "Imagine gatherings where the tribe unites in prayer or performs sacred rites, channeling their collective faith into the very fabric of the amulets."

Lorgar nodded in agreement, his expression one of deep contemplation. "Even the language spoken could be harnessed," he mused. "We could adapt certain phrases or words to function as prayers, ensuring that every utterance contributes to the reservoir of faith energy."

As the ideas flowed between you, a grand design began to take shape. Rituals would be established, prayers would be uttered, and the language spoken would be infused with the potent power of faith. Each member of the tribe would play a vital role, their actions and words serving to recharge the amulets and symbols with the faith energy needed to fortify the camp against malevolent forces.

CHARACTER SHEET UPDATED: ADDED NEW CHARMS

CHOOSE ONE:


[] Individual Meditation: People can choose to meditate alone, focusing their thoughts and energies on the protection of the tribe. This method could require a deep connection to one's inner self and a strong sense of faith.

[] Group Prayer: People can join together with other tribe members in a collective prayer, amplifying their faith energy through unity. This method could require cooperation and coordination among the Tribesmen.

[] Chanting Rituals: People can engage in chanting rituals, where specific words or phrases are repeated rhythmically to invoke a sense of spiritual power. This method could require precision and adherence to tradition.

[] Dance Ceremonies: People can perform sacred dances, using movement and rhythm to express their faith and channel their energy into the amulets. This method could require agility and a deep connection to the tribe's cultural heritage.

[] Symbolic Offerings: People can make symbolic offerings, such as incense or sacred objects, as a gesture of their dedication and faith. This method could require creativity and a willingness to partake in symbolic rituals.

[] Write in:

Each choice has different effects on the outcome, with some methods being more effective than others depending on the Tribe's character traits and the current state of the tribe's faith.
 
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I wonder about something like:

[] Write in: Moving Meditation: using a combination of ritualised movements/kata and self-reflection this practice harmonises mind, body and spirit.

Thinking about it as a gate way to supernatural martial arts.
 
I wonder about something like:

[] Write in: Moving Meditation: using a combination of ritualised movements/kata and self-reflection this practice harmonises mind, body and spirit.

Thinking about it as a gate way to supernatural martial arts.
As posted, each choice has variable effects. This can work brilliantly or fail miserably.

To get an idea, think about what they are and what they have gone through.
 
I think the tribe as they are now are predisposed to sacrifice as a means of reaching a supernatural effect. They have a history of sacrificing to desert spirits and a rich shamanic culture.

[] Symbolic Offerings: People can make symbolic offerings, such as incense or sacred objects, as a gesture of their dedication and faith. This method could require creativity and a willingness to partake in symbolic rituals.
 
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Welp... this is a strange thing to vote after we just got the Ebon Dragon unlocked :

[X] Group Prayer: People can join together with other tribe members in a collective prayer, amplifying their faith energy through unity. This method could require cooperation and coordination among the Tribesmen.

We are not doing this for the tribe, it is nice in the short run but this is for the Word Bearers, the legion. The thing about Space Marines is they are made to be soldiers, they are genetically predisposed and already trained for both cooperation and coordination. Now as for what I would consider the weakness of this approach, if for any reason there is no coordination the whole thing fails. Lorgar is the best primarch to deal with this since he is primarily social.

If Lorgar falls the whole thing breaks, we see this in in Legions that lose their primarch, this choice would make it worse. The solution of course is do not allow him to die.

I think Fan is up for it.
 
I think ritualized chanting is the way to go. It doesn't require expensive material components, it has obvious indicators when someone is doing it wrong, and when you get in a bad spot you don't always have a group of buddies to chant away the voices in your head.

Though ritual chants and group prayer are not exclusive and even have some synergy. Can't we use the same prayer for both group and solo chants?
 
One obvious problem with group prayer is that it doesn't work when our people are on their own, whether travelling or amongst others who don't share their faith.

It also wouldn't work in cases where they're imprisoned or undercover, for example.

Lastly, many of these forms of ritual are obvious to an observer, so if our faith gets suppressed it's much easier to catch adherents.

Silent meditation seems like the safest and easiest option for people.
 
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[X] Plan: Choice with a bit of anime and gaming
-[X] Individual Meditation: People can choose to meditate alone, focusing their thoughts and energies on the protection of the tribe. This method could require a deep connection to one's inner self and a strong sense of faith.
--[X] Write in: Group Prayer, Chanting Rituals, Incantations, Dance Ceremonies, Music, Art, Symbolic Offerings, hand signs, mental visualization, imagery and imagination, creativity and canvas, all of these are forms of prayer where individuals can choose to partake but at the end of it all, a prayer comes from the heart
---[X] People can join together to amplify faith through unity, but that is of choice and not coerced
---[X] People can engage in chanting rituals to invoke spiritual power, with words coming from the heart
---[X] people can perform dances to express faith and channel energy, with strength hidden within
---[X] People can make offerings, but they should not be given to prove ones faith but an expression of gratitude given freely by the individual
--[X] *insert generic Minecraft ending poem* about how the universe made you out of parts of itself(atoms) just so you can love existence which in-turn means you love the universe(yourself) so you(the universe) can know the universe and be known by the universe(yourself), how your stronger then you know and how the universe loves you and is loved by you. that you are alive and are a story made of love, never alone



i noticed how individual meditation allows people to choose and how the other options have the word CAN, implying that meditation can have all the others as forms of meditation

[X] Individual Meditation: People can choose to meditate alone, focusing their thoughts and energies on the protection of the tribe. This method could require a deep connection to one's inner self and a strong sense of faith.
 
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One obvious problem with group prayer is that it doesn't work when our people are on their own, whether travelling or amongst others who don't share their faith.

It also wouldn't work in cases where they're imprisoned or undercover, for example.

Lastly, many of these forms of ritual are obvious to an observer, so if our faith gets suppressed it's much easier to catch adherents.

Silent meditation seems like the safest and easiest option for people.

Yeah, but that also seems like it's the hardest to manage. Don't get me wrong it would be great if the Marine who can use True Faith can do so in silent meditation... but not in that Marine is one in a thousand.
 
Yeah, but that also seems like it's the hardest to manage. Don't get me wrong it would be great if the Marine who can use True Faith can do so in silent meditation... but not in that Marine is one in a thousand.

Depends. Meditation is something that's more universally accessible than some of the other options. For example, people who are crippled or infirm may not be able to dance, the mute can't chant. Meditation just requires that you can think.

And I think that Lorgar can probably develop incredibly effective techniques to help people learn to meditate as he's a social/mental focused Primarch, and learning to meditate may have supplemental benefits.
 
[] Plan: Choice with a bit of anime and gaming
Gonna be candid, here; it is very rare for QMs to allow "Actually, I'll just take everything" write-ins go without punishment and failure. Sometimes, even when they make some sense.

When QM says "choose one" and you go "choose two", your write-in better be absolutely stellar. If it says "choose three or more" that's pretty much automatic no-go. I had seen exceptions that defy the rule, and this ain't it, sorry.
 
Gonna be candid, here; it is very rare for QMs to allow "Actually, I'll just take everything" write-ins go without punishment and failure. Sometimes, even when they make some sense.

When QM says "choose one" and you go "choose two", your write-in better be absolutely stellar. If it says "choose three or more" that's pretty much automatic no-go. I had seen exceptions that defy the rule, and this ain't it, sorry.
so what do you think i should remove and cut out?
 
If we go with the meditation option, I wonder if it would be possible to create things like biofeedback tools to help people learn how to meditate effectively by scanning their brainwaves.

Given the existence of neural prosthetics, it might be possible to make implants that help with meditation - or to grant people a biological merit that helps with meditation that can be reverse engineered.
 
so what do you think i should remove and cut out?
I am sorry, I have no idea, especially given that you might have priorities of your own. As mentioned, even minor combo write-ins are an endeavor. I am not up to it.

I am prolly gonna neglect voting, as per usual, but if forced-gun-to-my head, I'd vote for one the default options; prolly chanting.
 
[X] Individual Meditation: People can choose to meditate alone, focusing their thoughts and energies on the protection of the tribe. This method could require a deep connection to one's inner self and a strong sense of faith.

While yes this is a the hardest it will be used by chaos against us. It will also so decrease the possibility of a eclisiarky forming and if it does they at least stop wasting resources on cathedrals. That serve no other purpose
 
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[x] Chanting Rituals: People can engage in chanting rituals, where specific words or phrases are repeated rhythmically to invoke a sense of spiritual power. This method could require precision and adherence to tradition.

You can use it in far off places without material components or a group. Yes, it's noticeable but that makes it easier teach and correct. It scales upwards to large groups relatively easily

The strength of meditation is also it's weakness. Without obvious signs that the ritual is done correctly, it's easy to think you got it right until it fails to protect you from gribblies. Or worse, something subtle that doesn't make the talismans ineffectiveness apparent.

We need to worry about people being able to learn and use talismans effectively before we worry about hiding their use
 
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