Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
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[X] Just fix the oasis and move on. No need to rock the boat
Like its not that we can't do this in the future, but doing this with no preparation to convince the tribe may be hard, and even the possibility of being labeled mutant are complicaded deal for them, like i would not be surprised to see people leaving the tribe because of the option or even completely switch sides, because for them this is a radical change.
Like its not that we can't do this in the future, but doing this with no preparation to convince the tribe may be hard, and even the possibility of being labeled mutant are complicaded deal for them, like i would not be surprised to see people leaving the tribe because of the option or even completely switch sides, because for them this is a radical change.
[x] Just fix the oasis and move on. No need to rock the boat.
Their comes a point where your just inviting problems, and this is one of those times.
Their comes a point where your just inviting problems, and this is one of those times.
All that's true, and is a big barrier to rolling out True Faith at scale to regular people who don't have the inherent capacity. As you say, it's easy just to select for the ability.
My thought was though, that psykers are relatively rare, and powerful psykers with stable gifts are extraordinarily rare (one in a billion births are of a delta grade psyker or above). Given that, unless the traits are correlated, I would expect there to be very few powerful psykers with the inherent capability for True Faith.
This is where we'd come in. Given there would be very small numbers of those very powerful psykers, it wouldn't be a huge cost in terms of time to use VEE on them, particularly if Lorgar is also leveraging his ability to teach them for free and so likely inspiring the desire for faith in them.
Edit: and while Fan is a bit of a load bearing boss in this setup, that's only true until/unless we get another way to grant the capacity for True Faith. From what you mentioned above, Lorgar's geneseed grants it, which covers part of the population, and if there's one non-charm method of granting it, there may be others we can invent. We're a Defiler, after all. Mad magical science is on-brand.
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Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
I am not saying that this is not possible or even that it is a bad idea. Just keep in mind,
1. True faith is not just what it grants. True faith is a way of life. It is not z choice but who and what you are.
2. You can automate up to true faith 5. Beyond ghat depends on ghe individual baring VEE. Not even Lorgar's legion is exempt.
3. The Emperor has his thoughts on this.
4. It may not be politically viable.
5. AP is precious, especially once the Imperium arrives.
So there are a number of reasons why it may or may not be viable. Any huge setting changes, like making Psykers safe, will not be easy, quick or AP free.
And if you DO succeed? "Expect unforseen consequences."
the border between human and abhuman, does that mean that they can procreate with non altered humans (unaltered tribesmen, other tribes, and later imperials) that have the trait passed down later on?
of course if the perfection and tracking instinct is encoded in DNA , assuming breeding dilutes the traits within later generations would they drift back to the human side of the human-abhuman-Mutant slider?
- Location
- India
Does this protection from Desert can be inherited by successive generations though bloodline?
I dont think the change is worth it. Short term sure but long term it'll probably take away from versatility. What happens when these features meet another type of terrain?
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
The Changes breed true.
Pretty much this and other Gene enhancements. Like the Scions. DAoT humanity blurred the lines with Gene tech so people like Fenrisians are considered humans.
So that is why you will be considered human, more so than the Fenrisians.
It's a stable mutation that won't get more drift.
Also does this lock us out of any future changes like this?
Also does this lock us out of any future changes like this?
it seems to apply to any place of Desolation, not just deserts, so mountain with little life, battlefields after they got shelled for a week straight, planets of Ice and snow, burn down forests after a wild fire, the remnants of planetary bombardment that didn't kill everyone (so anything not an exterminatus), etc.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
TDC is the only mutation that is explicitly said to breed true. So while you can grant people other mutations, it will not be on a large scale and it will not breed true. Not without gene tech.
Also, the boost works in most harsh/dangerous environments.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Yes but it may not be as helpful later as it is now, especially as you are going after the Grox and if you vote for it, the Wound later.
The next opportunity, if it comes, will be post a few quests/turns.
It is a Risk/Reward thing.
assuming we Propose this change to the Tribe and convince them, can we have a fraction have the mutation, like a small fraction to cut the resources need? I'm assuming not everyone will take the change anyways
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
It may not be possible as if you convince them, they all would want it. I mean, why wouldn't desert dwellers not want to be badly effected by heat and cold?
The second thing is, anyone who drinks from the oasis will be changed, anyone. Well Barring the Emperor, Primarches and Astarties.
So it is not really possible to limit it, if you convince them to change.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Not any more than what the SPace Wolves or the Salamanders have.
That said, due to Extremely Stable Genetics, the rejection rate is lowered and that will stack with people with TDC mutation.
You can get more via charm Scoured Perfection of Form.
- Location
- Africa
that would also include irradiated waste lands and places like underhives
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
ANY harsh environment where people cannot live without some form of protection. Even the Warp.
when throwing your planet into a small warp storm is a viable strategy to increase the speed of human evolution and the development of psykers as long one was the military force and the Faith to repel daemons, plus the genetic manipulation technology to manage mutations is kinda crazy.
[x] Propose this change to the Tribe.