Its because even tyrants have powerblocs that even they have to apease. That doesn't make them not a tyrant to vast majority of the people.
I was responding to a different comment that was saying the government structure of the Imperium was idiotic. I gave reasons why I believe that was the case and I actually put why I believe he was acting like that at the bottom of that comment. Emperor if he wasn't on a time limit or he didn't particularly care about being seen as a tyrant which we can see from this series he doesn't care about being seen as a tyrant he could have just subjugated every single world he came across because he has the weapons and the infrastructure to do so except for the mechanicus.
 
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Its because even tyrants have powerblocs that even they have to apease. That doesn't make them not a tyrant to vast majority of the people.
The Emperor had both perfectly loyal and competent people he could have placed in possessions of power, He did not

Just form a pantheon of world spirits instead. They can also act as warp becon navigation systems as a back up for the astronomicon.

Low powered warp becons exist in canon, no reason we couldn't replicate it.
99.9999999999% of all worlds don't have world souls. And warp beacons yeah no you looking at dozen of Alpha+ psycher to even try and establish such a thing. Good luck even finding 5 every thousand years that are not hopelessly insane.
Honestly world spirit based human society is by far the better solution to the emprors stupid atheism plan. It shields souls from chaos gods canonically.

Just need to figure out how to do it. Probably mass geomancy.
The emperor's plan would have work to the point the threat of it is the one and only all 4 chaos goods worked together. And the vast majority of worlds to not have world souls. Even if we got all the worlds that could have world souls to have them, your still looking at a tiny micro amount of planets

See World spirits are not natural, they are a product of Eldar empire teraforming process. You looking at 5,000 years for even an exalted to get the base knowledge and understanding to even try replicate the process.
 
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Spirits are inhuman in mindset. That said, I am using homebrew so if you fail to keep your end of the deal, you loose parts of your soul and Spirits and humans only have 10XWillpower Soul Points, if they loose all that, they become an Akuma for you.

Spirits would consider that the worst fate. Daemons do not count as they are treated mechanically as an Akuma to the Chaos Gods.

On the other hand, if we agree a deal up front that they know would want to keep, it may be worth the risk for them, given how bad a situation they're in. Not sure how much a few dots of an Attribute or Ability might help a spirit, but I can see it making a difference.
 
The Emperor had both perfectly loyal and competent people he could have placed in possessions of power, He did not
Thats what i am saying, even dictators and tyrants aren't absolute rulers. They have to negotiate with powerblocks like oligarchs, the military and im this case the tech guys.


But it doesn't make them not a doctator.
99.9999999999% of all worlds don't have world souls. And warp beacons yeah no you looking at dozen of Alpha+ psycher to even try and establish such a thing. Good luck even finding 5 every thousand years that are not hopelessly insane.
We can just make them is my point.





Warp becons exist in a variety of methods. My suggested ones would be powered by world spirits, which we can build.
The emperor's plan would have work to the point the threat of it is the one and only all 4 chaos goods worked together.
Lmao, no.

Chaos is empowered by their domains existing. Any violent bloodshed fuels khorne, any excess feeds slanesh so and forth. The crusade made all the chaos gods stronger if it did anything to them. Chaos has existed for billions od years since the war in heaven they haven't starved yet. Also they exist in the warp, it is literally an infinite sea of energy, they will never run out of it.


There are massive warp stroms in the middle of the galaxy, how would he close them.

There is like a thousand problems with his plans, i could literally do this every day.
 
I will pooint that if you are acting as a psychic lighthouse in the warp, you BETTER be an Anathema to chaos or you are in for a REALLY bad time.

Worldsouls protect people/Eldar from Chaos in the same way the Tyranid Shadow across the Warp Protects people, by drowning out their psychich signature with that of the life on the Worldsoul. So unless it is Anatheme, it will be in for a rough ride.
 
Thats what i am saying, even dictators and tyrants aren't absolute rulers. They have to negotiate with powerblocks like oligarchs, the military and im this case the tech guys.


But it doesn't make them not a doctator.

We can just make them is my point.





Warp becons exist in a variety of methods. My suggested ones would be powered by world spirits, which we can build.

Lmao, no.

Chaos is empowered by their domains existing. Any violent bloodshed fuels khorne, any excess feeds slanesh so and forth. The crusade made all the chaos gods stronger if it did anything to them. Chaos has existed for billions od years since the war in heaven they haven't starved yet. Also they exist in the warp, it is literally an infinite sea of energy, they will never run out of it.


There are massive warp stroms in the middle of the galaxy, how would he close them.

There is like a thousand problems with his plans, i could literally do this every day.
Also no one is saying he's not a dictator people are just saying there is very obvious features that he possesses and uses that give the distinct and very obvious impression that he gives almost zero fucks about having temporal or governing power.

They have not existed for billions of years all of the current chaos gods in their iteration are younger than the emperor multiple thousand years younger than the Emperor at that.

And the plan yet again was never to try and kill the chaos gods Unfortunately they are out of reach it was to remove Humanity from their grasp and he almost succeeded he literally almost did it there's no real way around that fact Tzeench literally had to empower one of his sons to the maximum ti prevent him from finishing it. This is on top of all the other chaos Gods working together to fundamentally fuck the entire situation so he could not do it.
 
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Extensive discussion of emperor really could wait until we figure out what sort of emperor Yzarc is running with.

Every single goddamn 40K fanfic runs him as a completely different person. There is just no singular agreed-upon depiction.
 
Extensive discussion of emperor really could wait until we figure out what sort of Emperor Yzarc is running with.

Every single goddamn 40K fanfic runs him as a different person.
The Emperor is described by people is as multiple Psykers in a trench coat.

How I would describe him as Multiple Writers under a Trench Coat.
 
Yeah, edition mishmash, a big-ass list of rectons and genuinely intended vagueness do not help. It is a completely understandable phenomena.
 
no one is saying he's not a dictator people are just saying there is very obvious features that he possesses and uses that give the distinct and very obvious impression that he gives almost zero fucks about having temporal or governing power.
I don't care about his intentions, only actions and consequences.
They have not existed for billions of years all of the current chaos gods in their iteration are younger than the emperor multiple thousand years younger than the Emperor at that
No, khorne was born at the end of the war in heaven i am pretty sure.
And the plan yet again was never to try and kill the chaos gods Unfortunately they are out of reach it was to remove Humanity from their grasp and he almost succeeded he literally almost did it there's no real way around that fact Tzeench literally had to empower one of his sons to the maximum ti prevent him from finishing it. This is on top of all the other chaos Gods working together to fundamentally fuck the entire situation so he could not do it
He literally couldn't do that unless he makes all humans blanks. All ensouled beings add to the warp, it is literally what a soul is.

The chaos gods have enough demons they could literally put a demon to harass every persons soul, probably not actually, but they can definitely do it to every psyker at least.
 
So I was rolling for what you got and your luck was literal BS. Made me laugh.

Since I will not be posting rolls normally, I thought I would post the roll here to show how lucky you guys are.


To be clear, there were 10 catagories and you just had to get this one.
 
I don't care about his intentions, only actions and consequences.

No, khorne was born at the end of the war in heaven i am pretty sure.

He literally couldn't do that unless he makes all humans blanks. All ensouled beings add to the warp, it is literally what a soul is.

The chaos gods have enough demons they could literally put a demon to harass every persons soul, probably not actually, but they can definitely do it to every psyker at least.
The webway project would put all of humanity in the same position as the Dark Eldar essentially in a interdimensional space where they are not at all in danger from demons just appearing out of nowhere. For some reason Webways as a construct are insulated yet still connected to the warp.

So let's go over what he would get for finishing it. No more demons for FTL travel already off to a great start. Places where the psychic members of our species could grow to their full might without worrying about destroying their entire planet or needing to be killed, it was insinuated / implied that Humanity itself not just psychers at the moment but the whole species were becoming psychically aware as time goes on the numbers of psychics was only going to go up is only going to keep going up this is seen in Prospero which was capable of having a planetary population of psychics on some level.

Then finally probably the biggest one the complete insulation of humanity from every xenos threat. So what if the necrons are waking up we're on our way if we take a couple Tomb Worlds on the way in that's unfortunate but we can cleanse them. The Orcs becoming Krorks again sad to say that ain't Mankind's problem you guys can figure that out. Weird multi-worm facemen enslaving populations of planet no longer Mankind's problem.

In completing humanities web way he would have achieved literally all of his goals it doesn't matter that chaos still lives in that because chaos is now irrelevant to mankind doesn't matter that zenos still live because they are also irrelevant considering the administrator, the High Lords Of Terra, the navis imperialism, the Astra militarum, the adeptus arbiter and the adeptus Astarte. Are not at all controlled by him that's probably where he goes back to doing his I don't actually exist thing or I'm just a regular guy thing.

So to get in you need to use an entrance you can't burst in through someone's head or Soul you have to use a door and considering the armies and the power of the emperor that means chaos loses forever because the door would be on Terra the worlds would slowly but surely be moved into the web way with their suns and nearby planets Humanity with mature into a psychic species that could protect itself without needing to worry about chaos being able to just kill them for using their inborn abilities and then chaos is not fucked but rather irrelevant.

Also I think it's one of the Early Edition world eater codexes that state that Khorne finished forming in the mid Middle Ages as well as the fact that he's the oldest of the gods. Never mind the fact that's Slannesh was only born in the late 25th millennium.
 
The webway project would put all of humanity in the same position as the Dark Eldar essentially in a interdimensional space where they are not at all in danger from demons just appearing out of nowhere. For some reason Webways as a construct are insulated yet still connected to the warp.

So let's go over what he would get for finishing it. No more demons for FTL travel already off to a great start. Places where the psychic members of our species could grow to their full might without worrying about destroying their entire planet or needing to be killed, it was insinuated / implied that Humanity itself not just psychers at the moment but the whole species were becoming psychically aware as time goes on the numbers of psychics was only going to go up is only going to keep going up this is seen in Prospero which was capable of having a planetary population of psychics on some level.

Then finally probably the biggest one the complete insulation of humanity from every xenos threat. So what if the necrons are waking up we're on our way if we take a couple Tomb Worlds on the way in that's unfortunate but we can cleanse them. The Orcs becoming Krorks again sad to say that ain't Mankind's problem you guys can figure that out. Weird multi-worm facemen enslaving populations of planet no longer Mankind's problem.

In completing humanities web way he would have achieved literally all of his goals it doesn't matter that chaos still lives in that because chaos is now irrelevant to mankind doesn't matter that zenos still live because they are also irrelevant considering the administrator, the High Lords Of Terra, the navis imperialism, the Astra militarum, the adeptus arbiter and the adeptus Astarte. Are not at all controlled by him that's probably where he goes back to doing his I don't actually exist thing or I'm just a regular guy thing.

So to get in you need to use an entrance you can't burst in through someone's head or Soul you have to use a door and considering the armies and the power of the emperor that means chaos loses forever because the door would be on Terra the worlds would slowly but surely be moved into the web way with their suns and nearby planets Humanity with mature into a psychic species that could protect itself without needing to worry about chaos being able to just kill them for using their inborn abilities and then chaos is not fucked but rather irrelevant.

Also I think it's one of the Early Edition world eater codexes that state that Khorne finished forming in the mid Middle Ages as well as the fact that he's the oldest of the gods. Never mind the fact that's Slannesh was only born in the late 25th millennium.
That still wouldn't work. Demons and chaos can break into the webway, like there literally a sealed gate in commoragh and demons have broken in without it as well. Its definitely harder than reality but far from impossible.


Also retreating to a webway is stupid, like terminally so. Chaos would open the great rift and eat the galaxy. Now you are surrounded on both side with a force of infinite demons trying to break into it and anything you can do to solve it probably was lost in the galaxy.

Mathematically humanity would be eventually be eaten if they did that.

That is very very old lore. It referenced ghenghis khan being khorne, its hardly the majority consensus.
 
That still wouldn't work. Demons and chaos can break into the webway, like there literally a sealed gate in commoragh and demons have broken in without it as well. Its definitely harder than reality but far from impossible.


Also retreating to a webway is stupid, like terminally so. Chaos would open the great rift and eat the galaxy. Now you are surrounded on both side with a force of infinite demons trying to break into it and anything you can do to solve it probably was lost in the galaxy.

Mathematically humanity would be eventually be eaten if they did that.

That is very very old lore. It referenced ghenghis khan being khorne, its hardly the majority consensus.
No they have to get through Khain's gate to get in. They can be let in as the dark Elder fond of doing when they have enemies they wish to dispatch in a way that is awful such as the way of the Dark Eldar. Astrabeal Vect is famous and also the lord of the dark city for doing this but no the door and portals are the only way in. No amount of warp travel will let you get into a web way which is rather the point of constructing the web way I would think.

Which you can consider in the modern 40K sense probably the only reason the Dark Eldar still exists because Lord knows the Aldari, the Orcs, Humanity all of them not super fans of the Dark Eldar in any way if it weren't for the fact that you can only enter through choke points one faction or another would have already killed them.

The immaterial and material worlds are connected but they are not one them destroying the Galaxy would kill them because that would kill every other sentient species in the galaxy. That's why it's the great game and not the Great War none of them can win because one of them winning kills all of them. The Great Rift is why he would make the web way because if things continue as they were going at that point a web way would be the only location in a million light years in every direction that would be safe.

Intergalactic travel isn't the thing in Warhammer 40K if you think the warp is going to swallow the Galaxy making it interdimensional pocket that you can indefinitely guard the entrance to is the winning strategy.

Never mind the fact that the web way insulates from the ability of demons to feed from the spirits of mankind or any species in them because the Dark Eldar are capable of Resurrection without Spirit Stones in Commoragh by the hemonculus.

Also at no point in the lore is it ever said the four emerged after the war in heaven or millions of years ago the reason the shamans made the emperor is because they felt the forming of the Gods not because they had already existed forever. Wouldn't you know it 9 short Millennial later the first of the four awakens in roughly in what Earth would call the Dark Ages with the rest of the worlds would call just another week in the universe I guess. The Lore doesn't say the dark ages are why he formed they just say that that is the time period Khorne, Lord of blood awakened first of the four. There isn't a reason given for his Awakening but it is considered the point in time where Lord of skulls Lord of blood sacred number eight is born. I haven't seen anything in contrary to that also I don't know about that Khan thing but interesting nonetheless.
 
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  • [X] As part of Lorgar debt to you, have him not just work on the Guards, but also the slaves and tribesmen and unite all three groups into one. (Lorgar gains the Project: Unify the tribe)
    [X] As part of Lorgar's debt to you, have him not just work on the Guards, but also the slaves and tribesmen and unite all three groups into one. (Lorgar gains the Project: Unify the tribe)
    [X] As part of Lorgar's debt to you, have him not just work on the Guards, but also the slaves and tribes and unite all three groups into one. (Lorgar gains the Project: Unify the tribe)
 
Turn 1: Phat Lewt
Colchis - 830.M30

As you and Lorgar neared the Caravan, a sense of gravity and purpose hung in the air. The weight of your decision bore down on you, knowing the challenge that lay ahead, yet understanding its crucial importance for the tribe's unity and survival.

"Lorgar," you began, your voice resonating with authority and resolve, "by granting you knowledge of True Faith, a debt has been incurred. A debt that must be repaid."

Lorgar's gaze met yours, a mix of curiosity and determination in his eyes. "What must I do, father?" he inquired, his voice steady and unwavering.

"You are tasked with the unification of our tribe," you proclaimed, your words carrying the weight of destiny. "The Tribesmen, the slaves, and the Guards must become one cohesive whole under your leadership."

A furrow formed on Lorgar's brow, his mind already racing with thoughts of strategy and diplomacy. "How am I to achieve such a feat?" he queried, eager for guidance.

"You must rely on your instincts and judgment," you replied, your voice a beacon of confidence. "Trust in your ability to make the right decisions, to lead with compassion and wisdom."

Lorgar nodded, a fierce determination burning in his eyes. "I accept this challenge, father. I pledge to unite our tribe, no matter the obstacles."

With a firm nod, you acknowledged his commitment. "Go forth, Lorgar, and may your actions bring about the unity and strength our tribe so desperately needs."

As Lorgar strode purposefully towards the area where the slaves were gathered, you turned to see Haraq approaching you. His expression was serious, indicating that he had something important to discuss. As Haraq approached, you knew that his news would be crucial.

"Chieftain," he began, his voice carrying a weight you could feel in your bones, "we have searched the caravan as you instructed. There are discoveries that must be discussed."

You nodded, the gleam of determination in your eyes matching his. "Tell me, what have you found?"

"We have unearthed a treasure trove of resources and weapons, enough to sustain more than a hundred people for an extended period," he revealed.

The implications of this revelation were staggering. "What kind of resources? What weapons?" you pressed, needing to understand the full extent of their discovery.

"We found water, medicine, food, and even guns and steel weapons," Haraq explained, his voice tinged with awe. "The caravan was well prepared and provisioned."

The possibilities raced through your mind. "This changes everything," you murmured, the gravity of the situation settling in. "With these resources, we could finally take the Wound."

Haraq's expression darkened slightly. "Indeed, but we must tread carefully. Such wealth could attract unwanted attention from those who would seek to take it for themselves."

You understood the risks. "How much supplies and wealth are in the caravan?" you asked, needing to know the extent of their discovery.

Haraq's voice was steady. "Enough to sustain the initial settlement of the Wound," he replied. "But beyond that, we will need to secure additional supplies through trade or raiding."

You nodded, a plan already forming in your mind. "We must be strategic in our use of these resources," you said. "Gather the elders. We must form a council to oversee the distribution and use of these resources."

"I will gather them but……." Haraq said, hesitating.

As Haraq continued to hesitate, you could sense that there was more he wanted to say.

"What else did you find?" you prompted.

Haraq started to speak, his voice low but steady, "Fan, we found archeotech."

Your eyes widened at the mention of archeotech, ancient and advanced technology from the past. This discovery could change everything for your tribe, but it also presented new challenges and dangers.

The two of you did not speak as you were led through the labyrinthine corridors of the caravan. The revelations of the caravan's hidden wealth had bolstered your spirits, yet they also hinted at more worrying truths lurking beneath the surface. What other mysteries lay concealed within these carts?

At last, you arrived at a grand door, adorned with intricate carvings and ancient symbols. Haraq gestured for you to enter, and as you stepped into the room, your eyes fell upon a sight that took your breath away.

In the center of the chamber stood the top half of a metal man, its form both awe-inspiring and chilling in its implications. It seemed to radiate power, a relic of a time long past.

"What is this Fan?" Haraq whispered, his voice barely audible in the hushed room.

You approached the metal man. "I believe it to be an ancient machine, a creation of a forgotten era," you explained. "Kor Phaeron kept it hidden, in an attempt to study its secrets in the shadows."

As you studied the metal man, a sense of urgency crept over Haraq.

"Do you think it still functions?" he asked, a hint of trepidation in his voice.

You shook your head. "I cannot say for certain. But its existence alone speaks of power and knowledge long lost to us."

The implications of such a discovery were staggering. "If Kor Phaeron was studying this, then perhaps there are other relics like it hidden within the caravan," you said, the implications of such a discovery sinking in.

Haraq nodded, his eyes shining with determination. "We will search every corner of this caravan, Fan. We will uncover the secrets that lie buried here, and we will use them to ensure the tribe's survival."

GAIN: (You Rolled an 8 - Category - Robotics and AI)
The Torso of a Robot. You do not know much else other than this. It is non-functional and will need multiple Projects to unlock its secrets.

CHOOSE ONE ARCHEOTECH:

[] Viewer

- A portable hand-held device which allows the operator to view different locations. The perspective seen on the screen can be moved to view the scene from any point, even if it lies behind closed doors or solid walls.

[] Cutting Beam

- A bulky device which focuses a high-powered, directed-energy beam capable of cutting through the densest of building materials. It is effectively useless as a weapon, due to its weight and the concentration required to achieve any results. Lorgar can use this as a Weapon however.

[] Lifter

- A device which can manipulate gravity in a localised area, allowing the operator to slowly float up to the highest reaches or gently drop down from a great height.

[] Holo Projector

- This device projects a startlingly realistic holographic mirror image of the operator a short distance away to draw fire from enemies.

[] Hyper-deceleration Field

- This priceless and ancient archeotech marvel slows the velocity of incoming fire to a fraction of its former rate, rendering those within its protective field all but impervious to ranged attacks.
 
[X] Holo Projector

This feels like it will be the most immediately useful in dealing with one of the greatest issues Fan Morgal has, he still dies when killed at almost human speed, seven wounds, not that much soak. Not being shot feels worthwhile.
 
they have to get through Khain's gate to get in. They can be let in as the dark Elder fond of doing when they have enemies they wish to dispatch in a way that is awful such as the way of the Dark Eldar. Astrabeal Vect is famous and also the lord of the dark city for doing this but no the door and portals are the only way in. No amount of warp travel will let you get into a web way which is rather the point of constructing the web way I would think.


It is possib
The immaterial and material worlds are connected but they are not one them destroying the Galaxy would kill them because that would kill every other sentient species in the galaxy. That's why it's the great game and not the Great War none of them can win because one of them winning kills all of them. The Great Rift is why he would make the web way because if things continue as they were going at that point a web way would be the only location in a million light years in every direction that would be safe
They literally have billions and billions of in the eye od terror, entire planet full of traitors. The species would live, just in the warp version of the galaxy.
Intergalactic travel isn't the thing in Warhammer 40K if you think the warp is going to swallow the Galaxy making it interdimensional pocket that you can indefinitely guard the entrance to is the winning strategy.
Tyranids.
Also at no point in the lore is it ever said the four emerged after the war in heaven or millions of years ago the reason the shamans made the emperor is because they felt the forming of the Gods not because they had already existed forever. Wouldn't you know it 9 short Millennial later the first of the four awakens in roughly in what Earth would call the Dark Ages with the rest of the worlds would call just another week in the universe I guess. The Lore doesn't say the dark ages are why he formed they just say that that is the time period Khorne, Lord of blood awakened first of the four. There isn't a reason given for his Awakening but it is considered the point in time where Lord of skulls Lord of blood sacred number eight is born. I haven't seen anything in contrary to that also I don't know about that Khan thing but interesting nonetheless.
You are just wrong. Like factually chaos has existed for millions of years. There are demon princes older than human, like belakor, who is millions years old.
 
They literally have billions and billions of in the eye od terror, entire planet full of traitors. The species would live, just in the warp version of the galaxy.
Those are not humans anymore then an ant is a human.

Took ages, and also not helpful the warp is larger then a single galaxy, and the chaos gods would just follow you.

You are just wrong. Like factually chaos has existed for millions of years. There are demon princes older than human, like belakor, who is millions years old.
That histrionics and false propaganda. Demons have existed since the war in heaven, but the 4 explicitly post date the Emperor by well over 30,000 years. Hell they where not even the reason the Shamans of old became the Emperor, it was that demons where eating them during the period between death an rebirth, and that was a new thing that was happening the Shamans all had several entire human lifetimes well before the Emperor.

That clearly shows how recent demons being a notable presence in the Warp is. Humans shamans where older then Demons by at least some 10,000 years to a full 100k years.
 
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