Well, on a different note, one would rather like to relearn various Celestial Martial Arts styles. Alas, who knows when there will be time to do so?

As one who plays Sidereal Exalted, there is always a great love for the Sidereal Martial Arts styles. It is as it should be, that they are forever reserved for the Chosen of the Five Maidens alone.

In this case, since the blossoming of the lotus is not possible for Fan Morgal, at the least, one would settle for him learning the Violet Bier of Sorrows Style. Hm, if Lorgar is capable of learning Celestial Martial Arts, well, it would be quite a surprise for the other Primarchs if they see Lorgar performing kata from the Violet Bier of Sorrows Style.

Alas, Lorgar will not be reciting the Sutras, the unique narratives always beginning with how there was once a Maiden.

Still, one wonders how Lorgar would appear to others if they saw him performing kata from the five Dragon Styles used by the Immaculate Order.

One also thinks that Lorgar could do rather well with Dreaming Pearl Courtesan Style.
 
To be fair, in that specific case not only were the Eldar vastly diminished as a species, both in terms of lost lore and population, and weren't all working together on it, the themes of Ynnead dictated that she be born only after the entire species went extinct. So the biggest hurdle was fucking with destiny so she could show up before they all died.

No? The Edict of Asuryan happened I believe in M15 and I know the Twilight Cults only started showing up in M18 and only hit the mainstream in M20. So it took like 5-7 millenia for the Dominion to make Slaanesh.

Putting aside the fact that killing the Emperor would be very hard, it's important to note that most of the fascist shit happened after he was taken out of commission. The purpose of the Great Crusade was to reunite human remnants and protect them from shit like the Rangdan, Beast Orks and Chaos. He didn't really care about Xenos and was planning to return humanity to self governance once they were capable of defending themselves again.

Don't get me wrong, the Emperor is severely fucked up, but he's a kind of fucked up that we could potentially work with, especially since going to war with him distracts us from the threats we can't work with.

We don't actually know how universal that is. The Chaos Gods and their subsidiary Daemons are the most common species of warp entity in the modern era, but it's possible that other kinds of warp natives would be more sapient.

Eh.. I mean Unification of Tera, even before the rolling atrocity that was the Crusade set off a lot of war-crimes had been committed. Just the shit he let the proto-Blood Angels get away with, the purging of religion and all opposition to his rule setting up institutions ostensibly to give some representation to the population and then hollowing them up. The Emperor is pretty textbook-tyrant-fascist even excluding the xenocides.
 
I can't find any date mentioning Asuryan edict so I kind of have to go with that but that's still an Empire that spans a galaxy with insanely psychically active populations literally in the hundreds of billions doing everything they can to bring about the creation of a new God and it still took the better part of 10 millennia. Which I think really says enough about the lack of speed doesn't it.

I think Asuryan's Ban happened during the War in Heaven, so ~65mya.
 
I think Asuryan's Ban happened during the War in Heaven, so ~65mya.
That's the first war in Heaven the Necrontyr & Ca'tan versus the old ones. The edicts happens after the second war in heaven which is a civil war among the eldari pantheon between Vaul and Khain which happens some unspecified period of time later well past the formation of the Eldar Empire.
 
Eh.. I mean Unification of Tera, even before the rolling atrocity that was the Crusade set off a lot of war-crimes had been committed. Just the shit he let the proto-Blood Angels get away with, the purging of religion and all opposition to his rule setting up institutions ostensibly to give some representation to the population and then hollowing them up. The Emperor is pretty textbook-tyrant-fascist even excluding the xenocides.
Oh he's definitely a fascist but there's nothing textbook about it. No Tyrant or dictator or fascist combination of such would say make the Secret Service in charge of someone completely not them the whole military under the service of someone completely not them Legion after Legion after Legion of soldiers under the command of not them handoff command of the Armed Forces to someone not them. If he was a textbook tyrant he'd be trying to not micro but definitely maintaining a very tight grip on these levers but he establishes the administrata immediately the Astra militarum and Navis Imperialis as well as allows the near completely autonomous functioning of the mechanicus as long as they are meeting their dues.

None of these actions make him not a genocidal fascist tyrant but it does make him someone who very obviously isn't scrambling to hoard personal power at all cost of everything else it's very obvious that he wants a goal done very quickly hence 20 generals for 20 Legions having specifically divided up military and efficiently divided things and a ideological code that's meant to pursue progress and the understanding of the world around them rather than superstition.

I can't think of any dictator that would just hand off control of the military entirely. He essentially says Horus you are now the war master I'm going to go back to Earth and work on my thing you keep up the Crusade, the high Lords of Terra and the administratum will take care of the civilian side and I will finally get to build my fucking webway.
 
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Oh he's definitely a fascist but there's nothing textbook about it. No Tyrant or dictator or fascist combination of such would say make the Secret Service in charge of someone completely not them the whole military under the service of someone completely not them Legion after Legion after Legion of soldiers under the command of not them handoff command of the Armed Forces to someone not them. If he was a textbook tyrant he'd be trying to not micro but definitely maintaining a very tight grip on these levers but he establishes the administrata immediately the Astra militarum and Navis Imperialis as well as allows the near completely autonomous functioning of the mechanicus as long as they are meeting their dues.

None of these actions make him not a genocidal fascist tyrant but it does make him someone who very obviously isn't scrambling to hoard personal power at all cost of everything else it's very obvious that he wants a goal done very quickly hence 20 generals for 20 Legions having specifically divided up military and efficiently divided things and a ideological code that's meant to pursue progress and the understanding of the world around them rather than superstition.

I can't think of any dictator that would just hand off control of the military entirely. He essentially says Horus you are now the war master I'm going to go back to Earth and work on my thing you keep up the Crusade, the high Lords of Terra and the administratum will take care of the civilian side and I will finally get to build my fucking webway.

That is fair, I will not quibble, he is an atypical tyrant.
 
That's the first war in Heaven the Necrontyr & Ca'tan versus the old ones. The edicts happens after the second war in heaven which is a civil war among the eldari pantheon between Vaul and Khain which happens some unspecified period of time later well past the formation of the Eldar Empire.

Or quite possibly simultaneously with the War in Heaven with the C'Tan, being a reflection in the Aethyr of the social disruption associated with the subordination of the civilian economy to the demands of total war against the Star Gods.

There's no indication there were two Wars in Heaven, rather than one period of extended conflict.
 
In this case, since the blossoming of the lotus is not possible for Fan Morgal, at the least, one would settle for him learning the Violet Bier of Sorrows Style.
QM has confirmed we could blossom the brass lotus, though it would be a late game project due to how difficult it would be. I've actually got a document about the idea of Yozi based SMA tier styles that use the Primordial Truths as the base instead of Samsara. Currently I only have a Malfeas reflavoring of Prismatic Arrangement of Creation which was supposed to be a proof of concept developed by a Defiler and the Crucible of Brass and Iron.
Eh.. I mean Unification of Tera, even before the rolling atrocity that was the Crusade set off a lot of war-crimes had been committed. Just the shit he let the proto-Blood Angels get away with, the purging of religion and all opposition to his rule setting up institutions ostensibly to give some representation to the population and then hollowing them up. The Emperor is pretty textbook-tyrant-fascist even excluding the xenocides.
I'm not generally a fan of the ends justifying the means, especially since I do think the Emperor made a lot of shitty, paranoid choices but I do think it's important to note all the ridiculous threats on Terra and the very real risk of religion being subverted by the Ruinous Powers.

Purging religions due to ideological or cultural beliefs is different from purging religions when you have objective proof that some religions actively empower an existential threat to all sane life in the galaxy. He definitely could (and probably should) have been more nuanced in his approach, but in terms of war crimes it was more akin to glassing a city to contain a plague as opposed to more standard cultural genocide.

Though, on the subject of God Forging, I think one advantage we might have over the Eldar (with either Slaanesh or Ynnead) is that we don't necessarily need to make an Incarnae tier deity from scratch. We could feasibly forge a God of the Second or Third Rank and then promote them (both literally and figuratively) until they reach the Fifth Rank. Such a god wouldn't be a direct match to any of the Chaos Gods, but they would be able to contest their indirect manipulations. Technically, creating an Incarnae is also possible but whoo boi it'd be hard.
 
[X] Stunt Buy Bestowal Of Accursed Fortune and grant Lorgar Background dots in "True Faith". (Lorgar Unlocks: Miracles but this will start Lorgar on Religion.)

More than anything else Lorgar wants to believe, we can add nuance to that and guide what he believes in into something less terrible than canon but we can't stop his connection to belief.
 
Well, Lorgar will presumably eventually be encountering the Men of Stone while with Fan Morgal. It will be interesting to see how that experience might further shape his development in regard to faith and belief.

Hm, Lorgar will presumably not see the Emperor as a god here. At the least, one might hope that Lorgar will not particularly like or trust the Emperor.
 
Turn 1: Guidance given
Colchis - 830.M30

As Lorgar expressed his desire for insight into faith, you knew that merely granting him the knowledge he sought would not be enough. Instead, you chose to also engage him in a debate, a test of his newly acquired understanding and a journey to uncover the depths of his beliefs.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 04/10. VEE - Lorgar "True Faith" Background. 30xp for 10 dots.

"Let us discuss faith," you began, your voice resonating with authority. "What does faith mean to you?"

After a moment of contemplation, Lorgar responded, "To me, faith is a guiding light, a belief in something greater than oneself. It is a pillar of strength and a foundation for life."

"Indeed, faith can be seen as a beacon, illuminating our path in the darkness. But what if I were to propose that faith is more than just a belief? What if it is a lens through which we perceive deeper truths?" You argue, acknowledging his perspective.

Intrigued, Lorgar listened as you expanded on your idea.

"Imagine," you said, "that faith is a map, guiding us through life's complexities. It is not merely about believing in something, but about living that belief, embodying it in every action."

Lorgar's expression showed that he was giving you his fullest of attention.

"So, faith is a way of life," he reflected.

"Exactly," you confirmed. "Faith is about living with conviction, facing challenges with purpose, and finding hope amidst despair."

"So faith is not static but dynamic? It is shaping our lives even as we just live?" Lorgar ponders.

Pleased with his insight, you continued, "Indeed, faith is a journey, a quest for truth and understanding. True faith is not found in answers but in questions."

Lorgar blinked, absorbing your words. "So, it is through questioning and challenges that our faith becomes stronger?"

"Each challenge strengthens our faith, like a muscle that grows with exercise." You explain.

"But what about doubt?" Lorgar asked. "Is doubt a sign of weak faith?"

"Doubt is natural," you explained. "It is through doubt that we seek deeper truths. A faith that withstands doubt is a strong faith, built on a foundation of understanding."

As your discussion continued, Lorgar's understanding deepened, his faith evolving into a profound philosophy that would guide him on his journey.

"Blind faith is different from true faith," you explained. "Blind faith is belief without question, without reason. It is a faith that is based on tradition, authority, or fear, rather than any true understanding. It is the demise of logic, the birth of suspicion, the breach of trust and the ascent of zealotry. True faith, on the other hand, is based on knowledge, experience, and a deep understanding of one's beliefs."

You paused, taking a moment to collect your thoughts.

"For true faith, doubt can be a sign of a thoughtful and reflective mind. It is natural to have doubts, but it is what you do with those doubts that matters. Embrace them, explore them, and use them to deepen your faith."

Lorgar nodded, absorbing your words. "So, it is not enough to simply believe," he said. "One must also be willing to question, to doubt, and to grow."

"Yes," you nod. "True faith is not blind belief, but a journey of discovery and growth. It is a constant process of learning and evolving, of seeking deeper truths and understanding."

Lorgar smiled, a newfound confidence in his expression.

"I see now," he said. "Faith is not about certainty, but about the willingness to seek truth, even if it means facing doubt and uncertainty."

"Yes but it's important to remember that nothing is perfect, especially when it comes to beliefs and faith. What you believe today may not be the same as what you believe tomorrow."

Lorgar looked at you, his eyes wide with disbelief.

"How could that possibly be a good thing?" he manages to sputter out with cognitive disbelief.

"Beliefs must not be set in stone. They can evolve and change as we learn and grow. What is important is to remain open-minded and willing to reconsider your beliefs in light of new information. Only then will you reach the truth that you seek." You explain.

As the conversation continued, you and Lorgar explored the nature of belief and truth, delving into the complexities of human thought and emotion. You discussed the importance of critical thinking, of questioning everything and seeking evidence to support our beliefs.

"Belief is not about certainty," you explained, "but about a willingness to explore the unknown, to embrace the mystery of life and all its wonders. It is about being open to new ideas and experiences, and being willing to change our beliefs in light of new information."

"I see now," Lorgar said as he nodded, "belief is not about blindly accepting what we are told, but about seeking our own truth, no matter where it may lead us."

"Belief is a journey, a quest for understanding and meaning. It is a journey that never ends, for as long as we are willing to explore the depths of our own minds and hearts, we will continue to uncover new truths about ourselves and the world around us." you replied, a smile playing at the corners of your lips.

Lorgar sat quietly, his mind abuzz with the profound concepts you had discussed. The idea that blindly following a belief system was not conducive to finding one's own truth resonated deeply with him. However, you noticed that he couldn't help but feel a sense of uncertainty. If not blind faith, then what?

"........what about the truth?" Lorgar asked, his voice filled with uncertainty and dread.

"That's a difficult question, Son," you said, your gaze thoughtful. "Truth is often subjective, influenced by our experiences and perspectives. What is true for one person may not be true for another. What is true for you now may not be true later. That's why it's important to approach it with humility and a willingness to learn from others."

Lorgar nodded, taking in your words. A silence settled between you, the flickering light of the campfire casting dancing shadows around you. You felt a deep sense of responsibility weighing on your shoulders. Lorgar had come to you seeking insight into faith, and you knew that the guidance you gave him could shape his beliefs for years to come.

"Son," you began, your voice soft yet firm, "it's important to understand the difference between objective truth and what people believe to be truth."

Lorgar looked at you, his eyes wide with curiosity. "What do you mean?" he asked.

"Objective truth is a fact, something that can be proven or disproven through evidence and reason," you explained. "For example, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. This is an objective truth that can be observed and measured."

"But what people believe to be the truth can be different," you continued. "Beliefs are often based on personal experiences, cultural influences, and emotions. They can vary widely from person to person, and they are not always based on objective truth."

Lorgar nodded, understanding dawning in his eyes. "So, just because someone believes something to be true, it doesn't necessarily mean it is?"

"Yes," you affirmed. "People can believe things that are not supported by evidence or reason. That's why it's important to always question and seek understanding. Don't simply accept something as truth because someone tells you it is. Always seek the objective truth behind the belief."

There was a pause, and finally, Lorgar spoke up.

"Father," he began, his voice soft yet filled with a deep intensity, "what do you believe in?"

"Son," you say knowing what Lorgar was truly asking, "belief is a deeply personal thing. Each person's belief is unique to them, a reflection of who they are and what they hold dear."

Lorgar listened intently, his eyes fixed on yours, as you continued.

"Blindly following someone else's beliefs will never lead you to your truth," you explained. "Truth is not something that can be imposed from the outside. It must be discovered from within, through introspection, contemplation, and a willingness to question everything."

"But how do we know what is true?" Lorgar asked, his voice barely a whisper in the stillness of the night.

"We may never know the absolute truth," you replied, "but we can strive to understand our own truth, the truth that resonates with our own innermost being. This requires courage, for it means facing our fears, our doubts, and our insecurities head-on. It means being willing to stand alone in the face of adversity, if that is where our truth leads us."

Lorgar nodded, a look of determination in his eyes. "So, we must each find our own truth, even if it means going against the beliefs of others?"

"Yes," you affirmed, "for in the end, it is our own truth that will guide us on our journey through life. We must listen to our inner voice, the voice of our own conscience, and follow it wherever it may lead."

"Father," Lorgar began, breaking the silence, "I understand that blindly following someone else's beliefs is not the path to the truth. But where does one begin? How does one start to find their own truth?"

You smiled, glad to see Lorgar grappling with such weighty questions.

"It's a journey, Son," you replied, "and like all journeys, it begins with a single step. Ask yourself what do you believe in?"

Lorgar nodded, his expression thoughtful. "I see," he said. "But what if I don't know where to start? What if I'm unsure of what I truly believe?"

"Then start by exploring different beliefs and philosophies," you suggested. "Read, listen, and learn from others. Seek out different perspectives and try to understand why people believe what they believe. But always remember to trust your own instincts and intuition. Your truth is unique to you, and only you can find it."

Lorgar listened intently, absorbing your words.

"It's about finding a balance," you continued, "between being open to new ideas and experiences, and staying true to yourself. It's about being willing to question everything, including your own beliefs, while also trusting in your own inner wisdom."

"I understand," Lorgar said, his voice filled with determination.

Lorgar then gives you a cheeky smile and asks, "In that case, what are your beliefs, father?"

You could not help but laugh.

CHOOSE 5 PHILOSOPHIES THAT FAN MORGAL BELIEVES IN: (NO PLAN VOTES)

[] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.
[] Ride the demon, do not let it ride you.
[] Attune yourself to life in all its forms.
[] Seek out the brightest embers and feed them until they become bonfires.
[] Give freely of your knowledge, but wrap it up like a precious gift.
[] Give when generosity is needed; take when theft is required.
[] Your rage must be cold, it must be reasoned and it must be legendary.
[] Balance your needs and desires, so that they may strive against each other.
[] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.
[] Be consistent in your rewards and punishments.

[] Write in:

NOTE: Lorgar will not blindly follow them but use them as a starting point. This will help him form the core of his philosophy but may or may not be a part of it and rolls and the actions you take will influence it after that.

Once again, these are Fan Morgal's Philosophies and not that of Lorgar.
 
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[X] Be consistent in your rewards and punishments.

This is just common sense if he if going to lead a legion, there must be fairness in command

[X] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.

We are a Despoiler, this is our basic urge

[X] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.

*motions wildly at the history of mankind, the Eldar, the Necrons and even the Old Ones, learning from the past is a good idea*

[X] Ride the demon, do not let it ride you.

One thing Fan Morgal and Lorgar share is that both of them were made as weapons, the first against the Primordials/Creation, the second against the enemies of the Emperor, riding the demon, the inner dark urge is something both must strive for

[X] Your rage must be cold, it must be reasoned and it must be legendary.

Never do your enemy small injury combined wich choose your enemies carefully
 
Good lessons to teach lorgar. I think this might be our highest impact actions the entire quest.


Now solve the problem of evil :):) lmao.



Any way I had some thoughs

[] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.

I think this is crucial, without this the rest doesn't work.


[] Balance your needs and desires, so that they may strive against each other

Important to teach him moderation.

[] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future

This also important if we teach him the history of the past religions and their pitfals

Now some writes ins if people want more humanist thoughts to try and corrupt lorgar with decent and semi modern morality.
[] Write in: Thoughts and actions:- Good intentions are not enough, you have to perform good deeds matched to your good thoughts to sublimate thoughts into action and add good into the world

[X] Write in: The UN Declaration of Humans Rights:- There is a ancient documents. A holy relic ancient when the men of stones were but dust in the wind. This document is a declaration, to the world and the universe. From the ancients of holy terra, declaring the inherent worth of every individual humans and a set of fundamental rights thay arise from the inherent worth of each individual. Fan morgal struggles with these inalienable rights, his world is harsh and forces great compromises. But deep in the depth of his hearts he belives in the fundamental human rights, and he wishes to impart that same belife into his son.


[X] Be consistent in your rewards and punishments.



This is just common sense if he if going to lead a legion, there must be fairness in command



[X] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.



We are a Despoiler, this is our basic urge



[X] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.



*motions wildly at the history of mankind, the Eldar, the Necrons and even the Old Ones, learning from the past is a good idea*



[X] Ride the demon, do not let it ride you.



One thing Fan Morgal and Lorgar share is that both of them were made as weapons, the first against the Primordials/Creation, the second against the enemies of the Emperor, riding the demon, the inner dark urge is something both must strive for



[X] Your rage must be cold, it must be reasoned and it must be legendary.



Never do your enemy small injury combined wich choose your enemies carefully

I can agree to your plan, if you are willing to replace ride the demon thing with the human rights one.
 
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I can agree to your plan, if you are willing to replace ride the demon thing with the human rights one.

I'm not sure the desert nomads would believe in that even if they did retain knowledge, but it is a nice thought

[X] Be consistent in your rewards and punishments.
[X] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.
[X] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.
[X] Your rage must be cold, it must be reasoned and it must be legendary.
[X] Write in: The UN Declaration of Humans Rights:- There is a ancient documents. A holy relic ancient when the men of stones were but dust in the wind. This document is a declaration, to the world and the universe. From the ancients of holy terra, declaring the inherent worth of every individual humans and a set of fundamental rights thay arise from the inherent worth of each individual. Fan morgal struggles with these inalienable rights, his world is harsh and forces great compromises. But deep in the depth of his hearts he belives in the fundamental human rights, and he wishes to impart that same belife into his son.
 
Be consistent in your rewards and punishments.
This one does reminds me, that more than with any other primarch, we must adhere to our beliefs strictly. Inconsistency and wishy-washy decision-making is a sureway to alienate Lorgar.

This is not a "this is what we must vote for" kind of post, just something that made me thonk.
 
This one does reminds me, that more than with any other primarch, we must adhere to our beliefs strictly. Inconsistency and wishy-washy decision-making is a sureway to alienate Lorgar.

This is not a "this is what we must vote for" kind of post, just something that made me thonk.

I do not think anything we do is likely to alienate Lorgar, that's the problem, he is Lorgar, he craves validation.
 
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[X] Be consistent in your rewards and punishments.
[X] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.
[X] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.
[X] Seek out the brightest embers and feed them until they become bonfires.
[X] Write in: Choice. Choices are what makes us what we are. Sometimes,the choices you have,and give others, are very limited. But we have to strive to give people opportunities to help themselves. To become better. To thrive.


so,i dont see our character as a cold rage guy. doesnt fit with what i feel after reading this. but ,embers into bonfires? thats what we are doing right now. What is a brigther ember then a young primarch?

also,human rights in wh30k is,difficult. lets start small,and grow the idea of choices.

If we give people the opportunity to thrive and they sabotage us, its more important to protect ourselves then to protect them,because, lets be honest, there will be a LOT of war. we simply dint have the ressources. I like the space democrscy thing. but lets start small.
 
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Ah, this discussion continues causing me to remember Endwalker, with Venat, dearest Meteion, and all the others. The question, the answer. Why, given life, are we meant to suffer, to die? As fragmented, imperfect beings, ours is a never-ending quest. There was never a single answer.

As dearest Meteion said, one gathers pieces of happiness, precious and fragile, only to lose them, then start again. On and on it goes, until death takes them into its gentle embrace.

The journey is not over. Nay, the journey is never over.

After all, as beloved Meteion said, miracles happen every day, do they not?

Lorgar could have done very well under Venat and Azem, so many important life lessons he could have learned in Azem's epic journey.

As Venat told the Warrior of Light at their final parting, she has no doubt that her dearest children will find their way, for Azem's is a light brilliant beyond measure.

Therefore, I must vote for attuning oneself to life in all its forms and fanning embers into such brilliant lights.

[X] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.
[X] Attune yourself to life in all its forms.
[X] Seek out the brightest embers and feed them until they become bonfires.
[X] Give freely of your knowledge, but wrap it up like a precious gift.
[X] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.
 
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[X] Look beyond the obvious and discern a deeper meaning.

There's truth to be found not just in things that are being said it but in things that are being left unsaid.

[X] Seek out the brightest embers and feed them until they become bonfires.

The nurturing of potential is how you seek and create a greater future for yourself and your people.

[X] Give freely of your knowledge, but wrap it up like a precious gift.

Knowledge given freely but not treated dearly rarely holds so give but make its value known.

[X] Give when generosity is needed; take when theft is required.

An Axiom to live by. Give when you can or when you must and take when you must and never anymore than you need to.

[X] Remember the lessons of the past; apply them to the future.

The lessons the past have to teach us our numerous and enlightening in their intensity and number so absorb, contemplate and understand if possible.

The UN document didn't survive into the 10th Millennium never mind the 30th like we are now. Never mind the fact that it's not particularly impactful or well known right now and it's not going to get anymore either of those things as time goes on. There's only so often you can completely ignore the tenants of a document every time there's a famine, drought or a disease that you can consider it important or true nomads have to make really difficult decisions about the compositions and future of the tribe during said periods.
 
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