What Happens Next (Slay The Princess/RWBY)

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You remember the vote where you decided to go see the Ozluminati?
Owwww, at least in that other fic where they kicked Jaune out of Beacon he ends up together with Pyrrha in another academy and they end up dating.

But oh well, I have great respect for your maturity there in deciding to not write Jaune due to your feelings on the matter, character bashing is just bad civ at least in my opinion, the mark of bad fanfiction.
 
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On a completely different note, would it be possible for Sable to just stash Salem somewhere in the Long Quiet? Is that a thing he could feasibly do? Her own little purgatory where she can't interact with the world.
I'm pretty sure it's more complicated than that. Salem probably can walk out of any of the Grimm pools. So trying to stash her alone won't really help. Maybe stall her a little.
 
For too long we have put of meeting our erstwhile pseudo-daughter. This must be rectified.

Three guesses at why Ozpin made sure you wouldn't know what she looks like in advance, the first two don't count and there is some hints in the very short scene where you saw her leaving Ozpin's office. :V

On a completely different note, would it be possible for Sable to just stash Salem somewhere in the Long Quiet? Is that a thing he could feasibly do? Her own little purgatory where she can't interact with the world.

You will have to see her to learn about what you can do with her, that's all I'll say.
 
Had you taken it, I would have described the guy very unambigously as having a strong case of hero worship and inferior complex, he certainly needs help, but not from Beacon.

i wonder how you would've handled that. i have no doubt you would've fail him, he doesn't have any qualification to join. like how in the fuck did he not know aura and doesn't know his semblance when his family is from "a long line of Heroes and Huntsman". hell, kids probably know about aura and semblance are with how much huntsman are revered.

anyway what kind of help or suggestion you would have gave him? or maybe it's a vote?
and yeah, canon Jean is... ugh. doesn't help that one of the writer voiced him which feels like a self insert.
 
like how in the fuck did he not know aura and doesn't know his semblance when his family is from "a long line of Heroes and Huntsman". hell, kids probably know about aura and semblance are with how much huntsman are revered.

At this point, I wouldn't even consider the way he asked as canon to the show, it clearly is a very badly handled case of exposition.

There is not knowing much when we could think that Huntsmen were still supposed to not be well known by the public, but the Vital festival and in fact even Pyrrha* actually shows that he would have had to live under a rock with no communications with anyone to not know at least what Aura is.

*She is a well known celebrity, her main call to fame is a tournament between future Huntsmen, who all have Aura, ergo, everyone knowing Aura is already a thing just from her existing.

anyway what kind of help or suggestion you would have gave him? or maybe it's a vote?

Didn't get far enough in planning to say.
 
[X] Ruby Rose, here on recommendation from Qrow after skipping two years. You know you will talk to her about this to make sure she adapts.

[X] Penny Polendina, the mysterious student that Ironwood recommended, for some reason, Ozpin found it funny to not give you her identification pic, and Sable agreed as soon as he saw it.
 
[X] Pyrrha Nikos, four times winner in the Mistral regional tournament, that kind of pressure means your guts tells you she will be in need of your help, and you trust them… mostly.
 
[X] Ruby Rose, here on recommendation from Qrow after skipping two years. You know you will talk to her about this to make sure she adapts.
 
Just looking:
Adhoc vote count started by Nyarky on Feb 17, 2024 at 9:40 AM, finished with 45 posts and 27 votes.


Man, people wants their P, both Pyrrha and Penny have some advance on the others, with Penny well ahead for the moment.
 
[X] Penny Polendina, the mysterious student that Ironwood recommended, for some reason, Ozpin found it funny to not give you her identification pic, and Sable agreed as soon as he saw it.

This holds interesting potential…
 
[X] Penny Polendina, the mysterious student that Ironwood recommended, for some reason, Ozpin found it funny to not give you her identification pic, and Sable agreed as soon as he saw it.

Fine we'll see Pyrrha later. Hopefully she'll be less.... idk, stressed or find some other genuine friend in Penny instead of Jaune who has failed out of this story. :)
 
Fine we'll see Pyrrha later. Hopefully she'll be less.... idk, stressed or find some other genuine friend in Penny instead of Jaune who has failed out of this story. :)

Well, you'll see from the eyes of the one voted for, but you will almost certainly see the others from there, don't worry. Gotta have the big fight with everyone there at the end of initiation, after all.

For friends, I want to point out I did actually say the names of the two main teams, PRNS (princess) and RWPY (Ruby) (yes, it wasn't a joke... wasn't entirely a joke), you can guess who will be with who from there.

What? Which P is which? Now, it wouldn't be fun if I told that, wouldn't it? :V
 
[X] Pyrrha Nikos, four times winner in the Mistral regional tournament, that kind of pressure means your guts tells you she will be in need of your help, and you trust them… mostly.

the only one that mention that we may need to help
 
[X] Penny Polendina, the mysterious student that Ironwood recommended, for some reason, Ozpin found it funny to not give you her identification pic, and Sable agreed as soon as he saw it.

Come on guys, nonhuman to non human. Also, I wanna meet our… goddaughter? Children all around!
 
so we're down a Blake and Jaune and up a Penny, wonder who the other replacement will be
Yeah who's the S in PRNS?

Wrong question, it was:

Who's the W in RWPY?

Because:
Second: you're both wrong, it's Cardin.
Also, how else am I going to get my W for team RWPY? (Still pronounced Ruby) :V

I have already placed Weiss on the other team, because I can spell PRNS (Princess) with that. :V
 
At this point, I wouldn't even consider the way he asked as canon to the show, it clearly is a very badly handled case of exposition.

There is not knowing much when we could think that Huntsmen were still supposed to not be well known by the public, but the Vital festival and in fact even Pyrrha* actually shows that he would have had to live under a rock with no communications with anyone to not know at least what Aura is.

*She is a well known celebrity, her main call to fame is a tournament between future Huntsmen, who all have Aura, ergo, everyone knowing Aura is already a thing just from her existing.

This is what happens when you try to create a story by just keeping adding cool things instead of creating a clear picture of the world and sticking to it. The first season especially suffered from this, but they were never able to completely get rid of it.
 
Oh god. I wonder if Cardin would actually become a decent person this time around? I mean he's definitely more skilled than Jaune which is a plus. And his team just has humans so maybe he'll get along, but he may have issues with Ruby leading the team lol. They'll figure it out.
 
This is what happens when you try to create a story by just keeping adding cool things instead of creating a clear picture of the world and sticking to it. The first season especially suffered from this, but they were never able to completely get rid of it.

It is interesting how many things comes to mind about things that have this problem in the first seasons just from one reference actually.

I didn't put it earlier, but you just gave me an excuse to, so....

For example, we have the things about Jaune we just discussed, where the guy is asking questions that in retrospect, are indicating he grew up without any outside contact in a shed in the middle of a forest, but he alone also leads to one of the reason I can't stand his canon arc:

The fact that a significant part of it requires distributing idiot balls for the Beacon staff like they're out of style.

First thing to give the idea; Glynda is looking at the footage of the future students and gives a remark about Jaune that goes like this: *I don't care what his dossier says, this boy is clearly not ready for this school*

First time I saw it, I didn't think anything of it, but when I rewatched the first three seasons to prepare for this quest, it jumped to me, because I know that Jaune's dossier is false, and the problem there is simple when you think of it, namely, that Glynda:

-Knows that Jaune has a dossier that says he had very good results in a combat class.

-Is likely to have just seen Pyrrha unlock his Aura on screen (Pretty sure the comment is right after this scene).

-Knows his dossier is not reflecting reality for sure anyway.

-Has the guy makes absolutely no progress for weeks (Jaunedice has her comment on it in the arena against Cardin).

And you are telling me she did nothing? At all? Not even give him remedy class?

Come on, she is supposed to be the vice director of one of the most prestigious school in the world, one that is not only incentivized to keep the level high by the honor and reputation, but also by the fact that everyone's lives rely on the ones they train.

And she sees a clear case of either corruption or a false dossier and she doesn't react?

Fuck that noise, Jaune in canon has no reason to even exists and requires several deep changes to work.

And the problems aren't just there, like, take the little scene of Pyrrha pinning Jaune on a locker before the initiation, the authors apparently said that this scene was made to establish that she could do that for when she does the same for the landing strategy. Except... that doesn't work? We didn't need a scene to establish that in the first place, and the way the scene is done makes Pyrrha seems like a bully, someone who is clumsy (the exact opposite of the intended effect) or both (funny thing with that and several other Pyrrha scenes, by the way, she tells that she is hiding her semblance to keep an upper hand in fights, which is great and all, but it may be better for her to stop constantly using it in ways that are pretty blatant to somebody searching for strange phenomenon like when she recovers her weapon without touching it in this scene, or get her weapon and shield from her back without touching them in her four on one fight or.... No wonder Mercury found it out in one fight, I'm actually surprised it is even a secret to be honest.)

Also, the problems aren't all about Jaune, earlier in this thread I told that I found that it seemed strange to have the first years be the only ones defending Beacon's courtyard without a single adult on sight, and someone answered that we saw what the adult huntsmen were doing....

Except we don't see what the teachers are doing during this sequence, we see what Glynda, Qrow, Ironwood, and Ozpin are doing, and not only does this not cover Professor Port and Doctor Oobleck, well, Beacon cannot work with only three teachers.

The school has to have several thousands of teachers if it is university sized (did a quick research, the state university in Ohio has 3 400 teachers), nevermind that the school is told to be the only one for the whole kingdom (another thing that makes no sense), which means even more teachers, why would the first years not even have a single one to help them?

I could continue, but this is already... wait, 700+ words????? Hmm, yeah, stopping now on that. :oops:

Oh god. I wonder if Cardin would actually become a decent person this time around?

You'll see in the evaluation of the students mental states at the beginning of the year.
 
The school has to have several thousands of teachers if it is university sized (did a quick research, the state university in Ohio has 3 400 teachers), nevermind that the school is told to be the only one for the whole kingdom (another thing that makes no sense), which means even more teachers, why would the first years not even have a single one to help them?
To be fair the "kingdom" is pretty much medieval sized due to Grimm and inability to expand. So it doesn't have the thousands of students and teachers. I think there were attempts to calculate the size of the whole student body and it came out to something like 600-800 students for all the years. If Beacon is the best school in the kingdom that only select few get in that seems like an okay figure.

But the "one for the whole kingdom" yeah, that doesn't make sense. There should be at least a dozen other schools of much lesser prestige.
 
There is a lot I could say, but overall I agree with Nyarky's assessment. Same thing for the above consideration that 600 to 800 students makes more sense than a regular university as we know it; so several hundred members of staff total, including non-combat personnel, sounds like a better figure.

Even then, again, RT had some issues with depicting events in a way that is logical enough to not break Suspension of Disbelief.

I think a big part of the problem is similar to many other serious stories featuring school settings: the protagonists are students. Meaning, competent adults stand in the way of those same students solving the ongoing plot.

Another big example of this I can think of quickly would be Harry Potter, though it is more egregious there; RWBY's cast is late teens to young adults (i.e. 17+ for the most part instead of 11), so them being able to do stuff makes more sense.

The pitfall with this school setup is making the instructors and other adults too useless, or rather creating a plot where they need to be useless so the students can do it in their stead. And RT fell right into it. I do not want to be too hard on the writing staff for this one, though; everyone started somewhere and this is not easy to get right.

The way I understand it, RWBY began as a passion project that grew wildly out of control in terms of popularity. And with that popularity comes scrutiny it can not hold up to.

So yes, issues exist. Some of them are pretty glaring. Although I also feel most of them are simple enough to paper over, at least as long as you are ready to adjust or throw out parts of canon those fixes contradict with.
 
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It is interesting how many things comes to mind about things that have this problem in the first seasons just from one reference actually.

I didn't put it earlier, but you just gave me an excuse to, so....

For example, we have the things about Jaune we just discussed, where the guy is asking questions that in retrospect, are indicating he grew up without any outside contact in a shed in the middle of a forest, but he alone also leads to one of the reason I can't stand his canon arc:

The fact that a significant part of it requires distributing idiot balls for the Beacon staff like they're out of style.

First thing to give the idea; Glynda is looking at the footage of the future students and gives a remark about Jaune that goes like this: *I don't care what his dossier says, this boy is clearly not ready for this school*

First time I saw it, I didn't think anything of it, but when I rewatched the first three seasons to prepare for this quest, it jumped to me, because I know that Jaune's dossier is false, and the problem there is simple when you think of it, namely, that Glynda:

-Knows that Jaune has a dossier that says he had very good results in a combat class.

-Is likely to have just seen Pyrrha unlock his Aura on screen (Pretty sure the comment is right after this scene).

-Knows his dossier is not reflecting reality for sure anyway.

-Has the guy makes absolutely no progress for weeks (Jaunedice has her comment on it in the arena against Cardin).

And you are telling me she did nothing? At all? Not even give him remedy class?

Come on, she is supposed to be the vice director of one of the most prestigious school in the world, one that is not only incentivized to keep the level high by the honor and reputation, but also by the fact that everyone's lives rely on the ones they train.

And she sees a clear case of either corruption or a false dossier and she doesn't react?

Fuck that noise, Jaune in canon has no reason to even exists and requires several deep changes to work.

And the problems aren't just there, like, take the little scene of Pyrrha pinning Jaune on a locker before the initiation, the authors apparently said that this scene was made to establish that she could do that for when she does the same for the landing strategy. Except... that doesn't work? We didn't need a scene to establish that in the first place, and the way the scene is done makes Pyrrha seems like a bully, someone who is clumsy (the exact opposite of the intended effect) or both (funny thing with that and several other Pyrrha scenes, by the way, she tells that she is hiding her semblance to keep an upper hand in fights, which is great and all, but it may be better for her to stop constantly using it in ways that are pretty blatant to somebody searching for strange phenomenon like when she recovers her weapon without touching it in this scene, or get her weapon and shield from her back without touching them in her four on one fight or.... No wonder Mercury found it out in one fight, I'm actually surprised it is even a secret to be honest.)

Also, the problems aren't all about Jaune, earlier in this thread I told that I found that it seemed strange to have the first years be the only ones defending Beacon's courtyard without a single adult on sight, and someone answered that we saw what the adult huntsmen were doing....

Except we don't see what the teachers are doing during this sequence, we see what Glynda, Qrow, Ironwood, and Ozpin are doing, and not only does this not cover Professor Port and Doctor Oobleck, well, Beacon cannot work with only three teachers.

To be honest, this is very noticeable from the very beginning. In the introduction, we are told how the Grimm almost destroyed the nascent humanity, but thanks to hope and Dust, they survived. You may wonder if Aura is a more important part of this, since Dust is not easy to use without special knowledge, Aura is generally more useful and is literally an expression of the power of the human soul. In response, in the voice of a surprised Salem, the introduction will ask you what Aura is.

Also literally black silhouettes instead of statite figures. When they did this in Madoka, it was an artistic device because the anime is full of visual storytelling. Here, even if it was conceived in the same way, it has not gone away. Or yes, three teachers for the entire academy. It makes sense when you study the history of creation and realize that the project was probably not originally intended to be as serious as it eventually became, and it shows.

The school has to have several thousands of teachers if it is university sized (did a quick research, the state university in Ohio has 3 400 teachers), nevermind that the school is told to be the only one for the whole kingdom (another thing that makes no sense), which means even more teachers, why would the first years not even have a single one to help them?

You probably shouldn't use numbers from universities, especially big and prestigious ones, for this matter, because it's very confusing. You have teaching assistants who work a couple of hours a week teaching something very specific to a specific year in a particular field, teaching assistants who earn extra money while writing research papers, teachers who work at several universities at once, those who teach only at certain times of the year, while working in another country the rest of the time... Some boarding school's numbers should probably be closer to what you're looking for.

Although, given that this is a different world, you'll probably have to first decide how many people actually live in the Kingdom, how many of them are Hunters, what proportion of them have received the proper education for it, and start building up the numbers from there.
 
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