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What Happens Next (Slay The Princess/RWBY)

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[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild to locate what may be left of Amber and the rest of the Maiden's power, then take it back.
-[X] Fix them as much as possible. You can allow the two of them to leave this mortal coil and completely sever the maiden's soul from her current cycle of flawed reincarnations.
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.

Ending the cycle would be a mercy it is true, but the key word here is "new existance". She may end up weilding magic, but there is a good chance she either won't be a Maiden, or would be The Last Maiden, no longer subject to the same flawed reincarnation as before, and is just more narratively interesting to me than simply ending things and moving on.
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild to locate what may be left of Amber and the rest of the Maiden's power, then take it back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.
 
Skip Sandwich said:
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.

Ending the cycle would be a mercy it is true, but the key word here is "new existance". She may end up weilding magic, but there is a good chance she either won't be a Maiden, or would be The Last Maiden, no longer subject to the same flawed reincarnation as before, and is just more narratively interesting to me than simply ending things and moving on.
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Fair, I think Stella could fix the flawed reincarnation part too. Even if that part is not fixed, if after some years the new person decides they want to not reincarnate weirdly and pass on like a normal person Stella can make that happen. Maybe the new baby approach is the closest thing we can get to consent about what to do with the new soul/s, and in the grand scheme of things, ending the cycle of miserable-looking Maiden reincarnations with a happy one could be nice. Sending the souls to the afterlife now could be a little premature from that perspective.
 
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Frankly, I just find the idea of creating new life by cannibalizing pre-existing souls to be disgusting. Just send them on so that they can hopefully recover.
 
infinityDivided said:
Frankly, I just find the idea of creating new life by cannibalizing pre-existing souls to be disgusting. Just send them on so that they can hopefully recover.
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To note: Technically, both options will ultimately create new lives by cannibalizing pre-existing souls, it's just that one do it while keeping them more intact, and the other will first let them rest by reducing them to their base components, before reinserting said base components into the creation of new souls, as the entire cycle does.

There are no endings, only new beginnings. To destroy is merely to reshape, to remold. Those are truths that the Shifting mound tell to the long quiet during their journey together.
 
infinityDivided said:
Wait, Remnant's afterlife has reincarnation as the default? Ew.
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It's reincarnation in the same way as you could say that a star dying and the atoms in it ending up forming new ones with the help of matter from other dead stars is reincarnation, do you consider the new stars the same as the old ones in that case?

The Narrator does call the one that was cut in two the cycle of life and death, and the princess talks a lot about how destroying is reshaping and not obliterating.

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I think part of my approach is *tainted* by the fact that I am a chemist, and that I have strongly internalized *In nature, nothing is created, nothing is lost, everything changes*.
 
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Nyarky said:
It's reincarnation in the same way as you could say that a star dying and the atoms in it ending up forming new ones with the help of matter from other dead stars is reincarnation, do you consider the new stars the same as the old one in that case?
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Not even slightly.

The point of an afterlife is to shelter and heal its charges forever (or effectively forever, anyway). Any afterlife where personality death is mandatory is an abomination that needs to be destroyed.
 
infinityDivided said:
Not even slightly.

The point of an afterlife is to shelter and heal its charges forever (or effectively forever, anyway). Any afterlife where personality death is mandatory is an abomination that needs to be destroyed.
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Too bad, there is no *resting* afterlife in my view, and there will never be, the process is a constant cycle, and things are constantly reused.

See my edit in the previous post on why I hold this view.

You seem to hold a view closer to the Narrator than to the Shifting mound, and unfortunately for you, she is not moving on that, and the long quiet wasn't disagreeing on this part, but on the *we'll exist as gods* part, so there will never be any sheltering afterlife. That is too close to the world without change that the both of them rejected.
 
It should be noted that RWBY proper introduces reincarnation as how the setting works. The original reason the God of Light denies Salem's request to bring Ozma back is that he refuses to interfere with the process by taking a soul out of it.

And, in a sense of great irony, he ends up interfering with the process (by making Ozma remember his past lives) as a result of Salem's actions.
 
Naron said:
It should be noted that RWBY proper introduces reincarnation as how the setting works. The original reason the God of Light denies Salem's request to bring Ozma back is that he refuses to interfere with the process by taking a soul out of it.

And, in a sense of great irony, he ends up interfering with the process (by making Ozma remember his past lives) as a result of Salem's actions.
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That too, which meshes well with the fact that the cycle before the Narrator cut it was a cycle, not an afterlife, not a resting place, a cycle.

The fact is that I find the possibility of existing forever without change far more frightening than the possibility of my components being reused anyway, we already are in a constant process of some of our cells dying and being replaced. We take parts of other beings to make it our own every time we eat, why should the same happening to *us* be a problem?

The big advantage of the nothing after death is that you won't have to care about it once you are in it, it will pass just as fast as the nothing before birth.

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And when it come to this little thing:
infinityDivided said:
personality death
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The infant is not the child is not the adult.

Put an adult version of you next to the toddler one, do they have the same personality? No, of course not.

Create an absolutely perfect duplicate of a child, down to the very soul, then put the two in different situations, then compare them when they're adults, will they have the exact same personality? Of course not.

Personality death is a normal part of life.
 
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There's different versions of reincarnation too, in some the essential core nature of the soul carries over, sometimes sloooowly drifting as lives go by over and over again. Instead of being torn apart and used to make new souls wholesale. Kinda like Wheel of Time, or atla's Avatar cycle (without the whole talking to them or keeping saves of past lives bit). They both are and aren't the same person. It all depends on the details of that particular reincarnation cycle and your perspective of what an individual is and what entails them still being them.


Though the "shredded and reused to make new parts without them being kept together" is a new one. I usually see it more along the lines of their being a foundation to a soul, all the extra stuff is washed away, but the foundation remains, changing slowly (or a lot, sometimes), from life to life, like slow winds moving sand around a desert (the winds being a thing during life). The core/foundation/essence remains mostly the same from life to life unless it was a particularly impactful life, shifting slowly as the winds blow and shift the patterns of the dunes.
 
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Another idea I've seen is souls healing in a "sea of souls" and then moving onto a new life. That was in Magical Escalation (HP/Worm).

Though your idea does make a lot of sense Nyarky, when humans consume and destroy other lives it's not like animals get to have peace for a while before just being used for parts.
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild to locate what may be left of Amber and the rest of the Maiden's power, then take it back.
-[X] Fix them as much as possible. You can allow the two of them to leave this mortal coil and completely sever the maiden's soul from her current cycle of flawed reincarnations.

Let them go
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely
 
Mr. Idiot said:
Though the "shredded and reused to make new parts without them being kept together" is a new one.
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Huh, strange, didn't even think that the idea could be new.

It probably comes from a combination of me being a chemist and not caring about the concept of *indivisible soul* in the slightest.

Things are made of smaller things, that are made of smaller things, that are made of smaller things... why would it not be the case for a soul?
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.

I feel like Ozpin would like having a grandchild, a new life to give hope to an old soul
 
Nyarky said:
Huh, strange, didn't even think that the idea could be new.

It probably comes from a combination of me being a chemist and not caring about the concept of *indivisible soul* in the slightest.

Things are made of smaller things, that are made of smaller things, that are made of smaller things... why would it not be the case for a soul?
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Usually, in Buddhism/Hinduism, it's described as being reincarnated as specific things, iirc. Born again and again, be it as an animal, a human, etc. Part of why it has the whole "Escape Samsura" bit.
 
Mr. Idiot said:
Usually, in Buddhism/Hinduism, it's described as being reincarnated as specific things, iirc. Born again and again, be it as an animal, a human, etc. Part of why it has the whole "Escape Samsura" bit.
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I know, it's just, didn't think there was nothing that already used a similar concept as the one I'm going for here.
 
[X] Tearing a being apart at the seams is unacceptable. Adopt the form of The Wild, find the missing parts of both Amber and the Maiden's power, and take them back.
-[X] You can use what is here and what you found back to create a new beginning for the two damaged souls. She will be a new existence entirely.
 
I'll close the vote in 8 hours or so.

The suboptions are still close, even if the decision to use the wild is pretty much certain.
 
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