Gundam SEED Rebuild - Time Travel Fix-it Quest
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My issue with this is we could likely steal both the strike and the Astray but they're alliance products. Meaning we can't withhold the schematics for them when we reach an Earth base.
EDIT: weren't the astrays built for orbs military?
We have to talk to Kira to make sure he isn't easily manipulated. If he isn't there then hopefully his friends can reach the shelters as well.
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you know the astrays would raise red flags cause they were built with stolen plans if I recall so yeah they are a incident waiting to happen
Orb didn't steal any plans. They help develop the Gundams while maintaining the veil of neutrality that won't last forever.
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IMO, it's very possible, just a question of what kind of price you are willing to pay to do it.
Even if the G-Weapons get stolen as per canon, it's probably possible to convince Sahaku to sortie his 3 prototype Astrays to defend it. Then you'd have 4 suits, making it entirely possible to not only fight off not only ZAFT's grunts in the GINNs, but potentially also the other 4 stolen suits - though, seeing 4 other supersuits show up to defend the colony might also just make Le Creuset retreat from the place prematurely.
There's even enough pilots for them all. Cagalli, Sahaku, Kira and Mu who could probably handle one of them with an incomplete Natural OS, especially if Kira were able to upgrade it a little bit.
But the cost is having to rely on Sahaku, who is not exactly an upstanding person. And he will probably try to take back the two prototypes afterwards. Even if not, he will still have access to the unassembled Green and Mirage frames and get them quickly assembled. The whole thing will also very much derail the entirety of canon. The Astray Lab being a political landmine would be the least of the problems.
Alternatively, successfully calling the port could save the entire original G-Project team and Archangel crew. Especially if the original pilots got into the G-Weapons early, Le Creuset would fail his mission entirely. But it would completely derail canon and, as pointed out, allow the Earth Alliance to retain everything (and potentially Blue Cosmos). Athrun might never get the Aegis. Kira might never be let near the Strike.
If things go the way as normal, with Kira and Cagalli running across Murrue fighting off Athrun and his bunkmate Rusty when they come down to steal the Strike and Aegis..... it's a prime opportunity for Cagalli to steal the Aegis.
Would derail canon too. But might not be such a bad thing, if Athrun and Rusty could also get taken alive at that point. Awakening Athrun could really shortcut a lot of things. Though I suspect it would be even more expensive than Awakening Jesus Yamato himself.
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Would they even be thay much of a threat without the natural OS? If the alliance doesn't have Kira then they'd be what moths to years out making a usable OS. If they try to mass produce in its current form then zaft will have the tech either way. If they domt I don't see them cleaning it up before zagt wins.
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I'm not sure about that.
Sahaku/Orb/Morgenroete promised to help. Getting EA/OMNI tech is not part of the agreement but they should've know there's no free lunch anyways
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Being fair, Sahaku is arguably getting close to getting something workable. So even if OMNI doesn't get Kira's handiwork, Orb will eventually get Sahaku's version in maybe a few months.
And then the Alliance will probably steal it from Orb.
Oh. Well then.
Seems like the best thing for Cagalli to do might just be to try and steal the Aegis and kidnap her future boyfriend.
You mean Blue Cosmos as Azrael and Lord Douchebag would want it for their forces.
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Eh, same difference, they'd give it to the rest of the OMNI anyway, or at least all the loyalist units within it that they wanted to put big guns into the hands of. Which is apparently no small number given Blue Cosmos' popularity.
.....Hmm. The more I think about it, the more I feel like Kira really wants to be in that Strike. The Astrays don't have Phase Shift Armor, if Kira got in the Red Frame and ended up taking the kinds of hits he took in the Strike at the start, that Red Frame would probably start looking more black than red. There isn't a guarantee that he WOULD take those kinds of hits if Cagalli were backing him up, but the Strike is also a superior suit.
That, and if he wasn't there to stop Athrun, even if Ramius didn't die, it's possible Rusty might also live and make off with the Strike. That would be a headache.
[X] Plan - Rails but Guns
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Which is ridiculous as Blue Cosmos went from an attack dog/pawn of LOGOS to somehow take over the entire Earth Alliance and they act like Saturday morning cartoon mustache twirling villains.
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[X] Plan - Rails but Guns
Hmm, I don't really want to let all the Archangel crew die, but a lot of them are probably anti-coordinator which would be a big problem for canon events if they lived.
edit: adding approval vote of this plan:
[X] Plan: A Lioness Protects - Archangel Route
Hmm, I don't really want to let all the Archangel crew die, but a lot of them are probably anti-coordinator which would be a big problem for canon events if they lived.
edit: adding approval vote of this plan:
[X] Plan: A Lioness Protects - Archangel Route
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[X] Plan - Rails but Guns
Sure they can still fear Kira but they will have to deal with it and eventually come around to be decent folks eventually.
Fire Forged Friendship trope exist for a reason. It made a bunch of strangers to friends after they've been through thick and thin together.
We don't need to follow Seed canon where almost everyone is super hateful at each other to the point of cartoonish level.
Sure they can still fear Kira but they will have to deal with it and eventually come around to be decent folks eventually.
Fire Forged Friendship trope exist for a reason. It made a bunch of strangers to friends after they've been through thick and thin together.
Can't the whole hanger blows up as soon as Kira gets into the Gundam. So without a mobile suit and if the sequence of events happen the same, anyone outside a mobile suite is dead.
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Atmosphere would not leak out THAT fast like in the movies, the colony has its own gravity and spin gravity. You should have time to don a suit or reach a shelter. Anyone far from the breach will start losing atmo fast though, as the air leaks out.
Its the SPINE we need to worry about.
Edit:right you meant the explosion...3 people can fit in that cockpit...itll just be very cramped, Marrue's bountiful tracts of land notwithstanding.
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Problem with that is to have a reason for a Zafts officer that took a shot at her in the cockpit. If we take the Aegis and let him in anyway then we'd have to keep him from taking it from us while in a fight for the colony.
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If you mean the facility where the Strike and Aegis were being held, sure there were lots of explosions but there was enough time for Kira and Athrun to climb into the suits and walk out.
If Athrun and Rusty got taken alive, they wouldn't be riding with Kira and Murrue. Cagalli would be tossing their zip-tied bodies into the Aegis like luggage.
Would not be a good idea to have them anywhere near Murrue anyway, look how she treated Kira's friends at the start and they were just innocent civilians. Natarle would be worse, once they got to the Archangel she'd be one step away from wanting to execute them in revenge for killing the original crew. Doesn't matter whether Athrun got Awakened or not, she wouldn't trust them.
Cagalli would need to make their bodies disappear before joining up with Kira again. Ideally she'd Awaken Athrun and get him into an Astray, but who knows whether she'd have enough points for it. Most likely she'd have to lock him in the safehouse until she has enough.
If she ends up having to board the Archangel, she'd probably have to shave his head or something and hide him among the refugees. And then give him sunglasses and call him Alex Dino when it's time to introduce him as a pilot.
Cagalli has no reason to be in a G-Weapon cockpit herself. Not even as a VIP from Orb, since it's Earth Alliance property. She get into trouble just for climbing in, forget having two prisoners riding with her. The Astrays are the only suits she might have any legal right to use, but she'd need to get past Sahaku to get in one of those.
Pretty sure if Murrue wasn't out cold and saw Cagalli piloting the Aegis, Murrue would try to fight her. And obviously fail, since she's no good at piloting a mobile suit, much less one without a proper OS, but she'd be screaming abuse at Cagalli and yelling at her to surrender the suit at the same time as trying to grab it with the Strike.
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"And that kids is how I met your mother. She tied me up and put me inside the Aegis Gundam like a punk in a trunk." - Athrun to his twin children in the future probably
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Okay, the better question is how many points to awaken Murrue. We will need to avoid Alaska anyway.
Can she avoid it? The orders are over her head and the crew isn't going to be loyal enough to ignore higher up orders.
It's too bad we were put into this situation. On paper Zafts up until seed destiny is the morally correct faction. The alliance has always been cartoon crazy.
I guess we have to figure out how to make sure Orb comes out of this the winner. So how can we avoid the invasion of Orb?
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calling them cartoon crazy implies people in real life are not as evil plently of people like blue cosmos in real life
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Patrick is what you call justified in his motives but unjustified in how he goes about acting on them.Did you already forget the Zala faction?
Definitely the second biggest impediment to ending the war without mass casualty events on the ZAFT side, after Rau (who is, ultimately, on no one's side).