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Nyvis said:
This is straight up wrong? We existed before the imperium and we're working alongside it due to treaties made with the emperor, which is completely different from branches of government he or his successors created of whole cloth.
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It really isn't:

Adeptus Mechanicus - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

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While the Adeptus Mechanicus is a part of the Imperium, it has developed separately and enjoys a considerable degree of independence.
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Fabricator General Kane's representative on the Council of Terra, proposed to resolve this by the creation of a new Adeptus, the Adeptus Mechanicus.
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So yeah the Mechanicum officially joined the Imperium after the Horus Heresy. Besides we have been conjoined with the Imperium for so long that we might as well be the same empire.
NSchwerte said:
The Imperium is a bad ally, but the fact that they are an ally shows that Xenos Protectorates are possible.
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They aren't xenos though and name one xenos protectorate that exists in modern 40k.
NSchwerte said:
The Mechanicus is a separate organisation that is allied with the Imperium, we are one of the heads of the Aquila with the other head being the Imperium.
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See above.

But how about we ask @Magus Explorator about our connection to the Imperium.
 
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What benefit is there to preserving Ewoks?

"Moral" reasons dont count.

Professor Vesca said:
Also neutralizing them doesnt secure anything because, again, we know nothing about them. We could wind up making the problem even worse, for example we could be fighting with only one group of ewoks. There might be others, and they might be able to leverage greater force to bear if we start wiping them out indiscriminately.
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That's why I'm going to burn the entire forest down.

Deprive them of shelter, food and ambush spots.
 
Dezron said:
What benefit is there to preserving Ewoks?

"Moral" reasons dont count.



That's why I'm going to burn the entire forest down.

Deprive them of shelter, food and ambush spots.
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You dont get to determine what reasons are valid and what are not. I dont need the Ewoks to serve some sort of purpose or use in order to believe that killing them all is not the best decision.

Also please dont burn down the forest we depend on to feed everyone because some teddy bears are scary to you.

KingCrimson1081 said:
It really isn't:


Adeptus Mechanicus - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum

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So yeah the Mechanicum officially joined the Imperium after the Horus Heresy. Besides we have been conjoined with the Imperium for so long that we might as well be the same empire.


They aren't xenos though and name one xenos protectorate that exists in modern 40k.


See above.


But how about we ask @Magus Explorator about our connection to the Imperium.
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The key point is that the Inquisition doesnt get to tell the Adeptus Mechanicus what to do. They can make arguments to the Mars priesthood to tell us what to do on their behalf, they can portray themselves as subject matter experts, but we do not have to listen to them if we do not want to. We can in fact tell Inquisitors to go pound sand and without a bigger priest to throw at us, there isnt much they can do (beyond naked force to *make* us listen which is always a possibility).
 
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KingCrimson1081 said:
So yeah the Mechanicum officially joined the Imperium after the Horus Heresy. Besides we have been conjoined with the Imperium for so long that we might as well be the same empire.
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Oh we're very much the empire in practice, but we still enjoy a lot of historical privileges. And unlike the ecclesiarchy we didn't burn all of that down by trying to take over, so we still have those rights in the modern day. I still maintain our main risk of imperial policing is coming from inside the Martian house.
 
NSchwerte said:
Exterminating the Ewoks requires a reason because it requires us to do more than stay with the status quo.
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You're forgeting that they are attacking our work force, letting them live also puts drain on our resources.

NSchwerte said:
We dont need to spend resources on killing them?
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Look at this way, we need to create military factories anyway and we get combat data to improve our own forces.

Also aren't you militarist? Shouldn't you also be out for blood

Professor Vesca said:
Also please dont burn down the forest we depend on to feed everyone because some teddy bears are scary to you.
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To farm we need space and ash is good fertilizer, so it's win-win.
 
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KingCrimson1081 said:
But how about we ask @Magus Explorator about our connection to the Imperium.
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Basically you are part of the imperium, you do get get a small leeway in the fact that it isn't the wide imperium that will judge you on stuff, but rather the various mechanicus organizations ( unless you fuck up enough that an inquisitior or death watch needs to step in)

On the xenos question there are some examples of xenos Allie's, tho it's more of "ha ha funny alien pet" and less full on alliances (the Jokaero for example)
 
Dezron said:
To farm we need space and ash is good fertilizer, so it's win-win.
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Not if we fuck up the whole ecosystem it isn't.

We can do controlled slash and burn farming, by all means, but the amount of destruction needed to root out the whole alien population would be devastating to the biosphere.
 
Dezron said:
You're forgeting that they are attacking out work force, letting them live also puts drain on our resources.
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We have deployed the Skitarii, at the moment we are profiting from the arrangement because we get free training for the skitarii but dont really lose any of them as they are too well armoured

Dezron said:
Look at this way, we need to create military factories anyway and we get co bat data to improve our own forces.

Also aren't you militarist? Shouldn't you also be out for blood
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Yes, we should build more military factories, but the output of these factories can either be used to kill ewoks who are not a threat or to equip more Skitarii to expand our legions. Attacking consumes resources.

I fight for the military, I want to strenghten it and ensure it gets used well. Wasting its resources and taking away a valuable training ground is not in the interests of the military.

I want to send out our legions to support other worlds but thats because we will get resources from them in return which can be invested into the military again, not just because i want to kill skitarii.
 
Oh god people applying our real world morals and reasoning to 40k just hurts my poor soul.
Orthodox would do something like exterminate all of them since they are both dangerous, xenos and have psyker potential. Radicals would do the same but also do sick experiments on them that would make unit 731 look like children. Both would care 0 about the enviroment. Also for all radical enjoyers here, have you looked at the Dark Mechanicum? Because thats what your going to be if you go in that direction, no happy ending or peace and flowers. Now, I'm sure the QM does not want to abruptly end the story at one point with something like "Radical Magi fiddles with chaos tainted archeotech and the Forgeworld explodes" but consequences should still happen with all the extremely dangerous stuff some people are proposing.
 
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Polenta said:
Oh god people applying our real world morals and reasoning to 40k just hurts my poor soul.
Orthodox would do something like exterminate all of them since they are both dangerous, xenos and have psyker potential. Radicals would do the same but also do sick experiments on them that would make unit 731 look like children. Both would care 0 about the enviroment. Also for all radical enjoyers here, have you looked at the Dark Mechanicum? Because thats what your going to be if you go in that direction, no happy ending or peace and flowers. Now, I'm sure the QM dose not wants to abruptly end the story at one point with something like "Radical Magi fiddles with chaos tainted archeotech and the Forgeworld explodes" but consequences should still happen with all the extremely dangerous stuff some people are proposing.
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This is nonsense brought on by in universe fascist propaganda. Just because few others in the setting even try, we can still do what is right

Edit: also they would care about the environment because if we burn it down we can't use it to get food and we all starve
 
You are currently growing high caloric grains and tubers in a bio dome , so burning won't mess with you food production, it will mess with any natural resources in the forest however, like fruits and other luxury products (and mess with any other "natural" potential of the moon, like raising grox's or any other cattle etc etc)
 
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Ultrackius said:
This is nonsense brought on by in universe fascist propaganda. Just because few others in the setting even try, we can still do what is right

Edit: also they would care about the environment because if we burn it down we can't use it to get food and we all starve
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You may not like it but its 40k, so we either somewhat keep to the setting or we go completely AU. Also please dont start butting in real life politics, we are in a quest set in the 40k grimdark future so again please dont use real world morals. We are just one of the many "bad" guys, I know the urge to "fix" is strong but the whole point is that everything is "bad"

Regarding the enviroment, we dont need it to produce food and even indoor grox farms are easily buildable. Still, while producing some food is good we are always going to dependant from offworld food shipments, it will be literraly impossible to produce enough with our future comically huge population. About organic luxury products, we are going to produce way better stuff in our forges and we can always make them in specialized domes anyway
 
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Polenta said:
You may not like it but its 40k, so we either somewhat keep to the setting or we go completely AU. Also please dont start butting in real life politics, we are in a quest set in the 40k grimdark future so again please dont use real world morals. We are just one of the many "bad" guys, I know the urge to "fix" is strong but the whole point is that everything is "bad"

Regarding the enviroment, we dont need it to produce food and even indoor grox farms are easily buildable. Still, while producing some food is good we are always going to dependant from offworld food shipments, it will be literraly impossible to produce enough with our future comically huge population. About organic luxury products, we are going to produce way better stuff in our forges and we can always make them in specialized domes anyway
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And we are allowed to critique 40k from inside and outside of the universe. Just because an inquisitor worships Chaos does not mean that we are obligated to let it happen.
 
Polenta said:
You may not like it but its 40k, so we either somewhat keep to the setting or we go completely AU. Also please dont start butting in real life politics, we are in a quest set in the 40k grimdark future so again please dont use real world morals. We are just one of the many "bad" guys, I know the urge to "fix" is strong but the whole point is that everything is "bad"

Regarding the enviroment, we dont need it to produce food and even indoor grox farms are easily buildable. Still, while producing some food is good we are always going to dependant from offworld food shipments, it will be literraly impossible to produce enough with our future comically huge population. About organic luxury products, we are going to produce way better stuff in our forges and we can always make them in specialized domes anyway
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Sorry but the genocidal fascism will end actually at least in this area. Things Will improve and the grimderp Will be beaten

Also lmao why would you not be able to bring real world morals in that's nonsense
 
The entire point of Warhammer 40k is as a satire of Thatcherism originally. Its just that it eventually began to be taken 100% seriously and justified as time went on. Space Marines were originally power armored thugs who beat you for looking at them funny, they were not heroic figures. Inquisitors were foaming-at-the-mouth zealots who would check under their bed for heretics and mutants before turning out the light. They were not the hard men who made the hard choices, they were lunatics who were high off their own supply.

But times changed and eventually the lore got reinterpreted to what we have now.

So now we shall once again, reinterpret it to something new.

I can grognard with the best of them.
 
KingCrimson1081 said:
All the more opportunity to replace it with our own customized ecosystem that is more beneficial for us.
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We're leveraging having a functional ecosystem and the stable climate that comes with it for farming. I think you really underestimate the cost of fixing it if we fuck it up. If we were more established maybe a megaproject like rebuilding a biosphere would be within our reach but right now I'd rather not have to spend all our efforts on that if we can avoid it.
 
Polenta said:
it will be literraly impossible to produce enough with our future comically huge population.
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It's doable, it will require hydroponics, efficient food processing and maybe some gene-altering to give workforce more efficient digestion. It will be kinda expensive however.

KingCrimson1081 said:
Alternatively we take Grox DNA and then alter it until we get an immobile meat cube to harvest. That is significantly more efficient than dealing with super aggressive lizard.
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See? This is proper Admech thinking.
 
I said what I had to say about this whole "morals" argument. I hope I managed to explain myself well enough so people dont assume the wrong things from what I wrote
 
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