Renegade Chapter Master Quest (WH40k Quest)

[X] Plan Let's end it
Putting production into a Stormraven seems like a better idea than just Rhinos.
The thing is, he can just lie, or stab us in the back for his own ambitions, because HE has them, no doubts about it. He won't accept any equals, which is rather clear with him slandering our name. Let's just get this done quickly, so we can move on without having to worry about the dagger at our back.
I agree. Like it said in the update, we aren't the High Lords, we are Astartes. We don't want to get mired down in politics with someone who is trained for it, that's playing to his strengths. Like the saying about wrestling a pig.
 
The thing is, he can just lie, or stab us in the back for his own ambitions, because HE has them, no doubts about it. He won't accept any equals, which is rather clear with him slandering our name. Let's just get this done quickly, so we can move on without having to worry about the dagger at our back. We're already his enemy, so trying to play nice with him is just never going to cut it.
Still, we haven't even talked to the guy yet and even if we do take him out how are we going to fill the void? The guy has been consolidating power and we haven't even found someone to take his place and if we were the ones to do so, we haven't exactly reached out to anyone else other than the two Forge Worlds.
 
Still, we haven't even talked to the guy yet and even if we do take him out how are we going to fill the void? The guy has been consolidating power and we haven't even found someone to take his place and if we were the ones to do so, we haven't exactly reached out to anyone else other than the two Forge Worlds.

We do our job, and rescue planets, and you know what he does? He tries to discredit us, ruin our reputation, and antagonize us. He's not looking to be friends with us, at all. Let's not be delusional about this.
 
Is meeting and coming to a compromise with Rex a non option?
We are Hated by him as a Reputation. That's the same level as the Chaos warband that is a mortal enemy of ours. I don't think he'll be receptive, except as a way to stall until he can kill us or enslave us. And the fact that the Chaos Warband is having a bad time makes me worry they might be receptive to overtures from him.
 
If we want to have the chance of peaceful resolution, we need more "reasonable" demands like simply getting him to stop slandering our Chapter's honor to other sub-sectors and try to work with us rather than as a rival so we could better protect the sector. Refuse and continue to act like we're his enemy, then we'll start acting like it.
As I stated I don't think there's a good chance of any kind of peaceful cooperation with the sector lord, again we chose him as a rival and he has already tried to have us under his control before all of this began, the moment he thinks he can get away with it he will stab us in the back to gain control over all of the secotr, so I expect him to turn hostile what I hope is for at least battlefleet odin to surrender and come back and if they chose to fight us then kill their leadership as fast as possible so the wastefully situation of Sverd won't happen again, also don't want to waste another turn on this, we could have used this turn to communicate with forge world loki and the sisters of battle and start raiding against the orks so that the titan war continues as long as possible. so again let's just end it.

Putting production into a Stormraven, seems like a better idea than just Rhinos.
thought about it but one stormraven is 10 production, equivalent to 5 rhinos and I am mostly following the master of the forge suggestion
We need another twenty Rhinos at the moment and ideally, I would like to have more on top of that for when 1st Company, 5th Company and 6th Company all become full-sized. I would also like a pair of Stormravens for each company to carry their assault squads."

Is meeting and coming to a compromise with Rex a non option?
The moment we chose him as a rival, we made such a thing very hard for us and if we wanted a compromise we should have started that since the first turn.

Still, we haven't even talked to the guy yet and even if we do take him out how are we going to fill the void? The guy has been consolidating power and we haven't even found someone to take his place and if we were the ones to do so, we haven't exactly reached out to anyone else other than the two Forge Worlds.
And? we are still the local space marine chapter with the greatest concentration of force after we deal with the sector lord and we still have Beloved Protectors, there will certainly be worlds that we're gonna have to deal with but we were already doing that with exemples like the waste that was Sverd so it's not like if we leave him be it's gonna stop.
 
[] Plan: Negotiations
-[] Free Actions
--[] Have Master of the Apothecarion Bruce Boltson look into different worlds to establish as possible recruiting worlds for the chapter.
--[] Give the Librarius leave to address and find possible solutions to the Psyker issue
--[] Torvuld shall go to Vanaheim with fully half the Chapter and the whole of Battlefleet Asgardia, calling in their Major Favor to bring them despite their obligations to Forge World Thor, to deal with the Lord Sector.
---[] First we will attempt to speak and negotiate with Reximus, our demands being that neither he, nor any successor of his, shall ever attempt to subjugate or attack the Storm Avengers, Battlefleet Asgardia, the Forge Worlds Odin, Loki, Thor or any future Forge World of the Sector or The Order of the Sacred Storm. He will stay in his lane as Lord Sector as he did under Imperial Rule. He will return the ships he suborned from Battlefleet Asgardia immediately, though he may keep the new ships he commissioned from Forge World Odin for his Battle Fleet Odin and may in the future commission further ships from them or other Forge Worlds without issue from us. He will also, lastly, cease his attempts to mar our reputation within the Sector and turning worlds against us.
---[] Our Concessions: We will also never attempt to subjugate nor attack said factions nor his to our own authority, we will continue to do our Duty to the Sector just as we have been for the past 8 millennia, and we won't kill him here and now.
---[] We will both sign multiple copies of this treaty, triplicate for each faction listed to be delivered to them for their own safe keeping and to make sure the whole Sector is well aware of the terms of it
---[] If he refuses our terms we will invade Vanaheim to end him, doing our damndest to try and convince who we can among the Vanaheim Valkyries, the PDF, and Battlefleet Odin to stay out of the fight for we have no wish to bring harm upon them, only their greedy and arrogant master who would try to make slaves of us, and for those who don't to deal as few casualties and as little damage as possible.
-[] Assignments
--[] Defense of Ragnar: 3rd, 10th, The Might of Storms
--[] Home Guard: 5th, a 10th Strike Cruiser
--[] Vanaheim: Torvuld, 4th, 7th, 8th, 9th, The Void Thunderer, Ardent Storm, Unyielding Defiance
-[] Production
--[] 5 Rhinos (10 Production)
--[] Stormraven (10 Production)
--[] Iron Halo for the 5ths Captain (5 Production)

Because I know people want to at least make an attempt for a peaceful resolution to the Lord Sector problem, here ya go. My minimum requirements for tolerating him still being around.
 
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We are Hated by him as a Reputation. That's the same level as the Chaos warband that is a mortal enemy of ours. I don't think he'll be receptive, except as a way to stall until he can kill us or enslave us. And the fact that the Chaos Warband is having a bad time makes me worry they might be receptive to overtures from him.
In exchange for what? He hasn't exactly been taking the greatest risks with his fleet and he likely hates Chaos as much as any Imperial. Make no mistake, I do acknowledge he hates us, but the GM has said that Enemies can be turned to Allies and vice versa and we haven't even made an attempt at communication until now. Still I think he'a a jackass so if he does refuse I have no problems killing him.

[X] Plan Gunboat Diplomacy
-[X] Free Actions
--[X] Have Master of the Apothecarion Bruce Boltson look into different worlds to establish as recruiting worlds for the chapter.
--[X] Have Chief Librarian Steffen Strangeson Look into Psyker Recruitment and Training solutions
--[X] Have master of Sanctity Jannis Hopeson cleanse any remaining chaos taint on Malmur and establish a loyal government after the fight is over.
-[X] Deployment
--[X] Oligarch Warlords (Greater Half of 10th Company)
--[X] Defence of Ragna (3rd Company, 8th company using Battle barge Void Thunderer, Lesser half of 10th Company)
--[X] Home Guard (5th company using 8th company strike cruiser to defend our homeworld and sector with battlefleet Asgardia following us)
--[X] Battlefleet Asgardia (use the major favor to call upon the battlefleet against the Lord Sector Sigurdr Reximus and his forces)
--[X] Reximus Rising (Torvald and his Honour Guard, Battle Barge Might of Storms, Battle Barge Unyielding Defiance, Battle Barge Ardent Storm, 4th company, 7th Company, 9th Company)
---[X] First we will attempt to speak and negotiate with Reximus, our demands being that neither he, nor any successor of his, shall ever attempt to subjugate or attack the Storm Avengers, Battlefleet Asgardia, the Forge Worlds Odin, Loki, Thor or any future Forge World of the Sector or The Order of the Sacred Storm. He will stay in his lane as Lord Sector as he did under Imperial Rule. He will return the ships he suborned from Battlefleet Asgardia immediately, though he may keep the new ships he commissioned from Forge World Odin for his Battle Fleet Odin and may in the future commission further ships from them or other Forge Worlds without issue from us. He will also, lastly, cease his attempts to mar our reputation within the Sector and turning worlds against us.
----[X] Our Concessions: We will also never attempt to subjugate nor attack said factions nor his to our own authority, we will continue to do our Duty to the Sector just as we have been for the past 8 millennia, and we won't kill him here and now.
----[X] We will both sign multiple copies of this treaty, triplicate for each faction listed to be delivered to them for their own safe keeping and to make sure the whole Sector is well aware of the terms of it
—--[X] If he refuses our terms we will invade Vanaheim to end him, doing our damndest to try and convince who we can among the Vanaheim Valkyries, the PDF, and Battlefleet Odin to stay out of the fight for we have no wish to bring harm upon them, only their greedy and arrogant master who would try to make slaves of us, and for those who don't to deal as few casualties and as little damage as possible.
-[X] Production
—[X] 5 Rhinos (10 Production)
—[X] Stormraven (10 Production)
—[X] 5 Specialist weapons (1 Production)
—[X] 10 Power Weapons (2 Production)
—[X] 10 Heavy Weapons (2 Production)
—[X] 1 Strike Cruiser (Major Favor)
 
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[X] Plan Let's end it

Quite frankly, it's very possible the Odin fleet stands down, with the disparity of power.
 
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Other than that, I'd say split up the 10th Company. Send the main half to deal with the Oligarch Warlords and the second to reinforce the Defense of Ragna.
the 10th only have 1 strike cruiser right now and I don't want leave even one more strike cruiser out of the naval battle on vanaheim, I even feel that with only 4 strike cruiser, we're cutting it close, and I know we will win thanks to fleet asgardia and us having 3 battle barges but I want to have such an advantage against them in terms of battlefleets that they have to surrender or at least it will be a swift victory, also, the warlord world looks to be a small thing that will stay a small thing so hopefully next turn when we finally end the sector lord we can deal with it.
 
the 10th only have 1 strike cruiser right now and I don't want leave even one more strike cruiser out of the naval battle on vanaheim, I even feel that with only 4 strike cruiser, we're cutting it close, and I know we will win thanks to fleet asgardia and us having 3 battle barges but I want to have such an advantage against them in terms of battlefleets that they have to surrender or at least it will be a swift victory, also, the warlord world looks to be a small thing that will stay a small thing so hopefully next turn when we finally end the sector lord we can deal with it.
I'd agree that the Warlords thing is an exceptionally minor problem. One that might very well solve itself when the locals get sick of their shit.
 
Regarding the terms people are giving in the possible negotiations with Rex:
- A) I think it's kinda nonsensical to include terms about the forge worlds, since I really doubt he's stupid enough to be trying to subjugate them. The AdMech is already an almost completely independent part of the Imperium and no one, from the High Lords to Space Marines or Governors, would attempt to breach that, lest the Tech-Priest just decide to not maintain their everything and/or stop providing the equipment that only they can make.
- B) People are saying that he should return to stay in line as he did under Imperial which tbh, I don't see how he's breached that right now. Yes, his tarnishing our reputation, but besides that, he hasn't swore allegiance to chaos, he's trying to reunify the sector governance and keep people in line (Which should be under his jurisdiction), he hasn't directly attacked neither the forge worlds nor the sisters, he hasn't even attacked us besides whatever he's saying. So, what exactly are we asking of him? To be honest we don't know his plans, and he hasn't made any sudden moves, so coming making demands that kinda make no sense will only legitimize his position and give credit to whatever his saying about us.

Regarding if we attack him straight on:
- We should really think of something more in depth than "Kill him and take the planet or something", the Imperial bureaucracy a beast of its own, if we just behead it and just hope that it words, without providing any kind of solution, we risk having planets going independent, maybe joining chaos, we risk an internal conflict within the Guard and the PDFs, etc.

As a note:
- Maybe we could attempt to contact the Ecclesiarchy and offer them something in exchange for them supporting our deposition of the governor, as well as providing a calming voice while a new sector government is formed. If we manage to get them to declare Rex as a heretic and really the zealous masses against him, our job will be considerably easier.
 
Regarding the terms people are giving in the possible negotiations with Rex:
- A) I think it's kinda nonsensical to include terms about the forge worlds, since I really doubt he's stupid enough to be trying to subjugate them. The AdMech is already an almost completely independent part of the Imperium and no one, from the High Lords to Space Marines or Governors, would attempt to breach that, lest the Tech-Priest just decide to not maintain their everything and/or stop providing the equipment that only they can make.
- B) People are saying that he should return to stay in line as he did under Imperial which tbh, I don't see how he's breached that right now. Yes, his tarnishing our reputation, but besides that, he hasn't swore allegiance to chaos, he's trying to reunify the sector governance and keep people in line (Which should be under his jurisdiction), he hasn't directly attacked neither the forge worlds nor the sisters, he hasn't even attacked us besides whatever he's saying. So, what exactly are we asking of him? To be honest we don't know his plans, and he hasn't made any sudden moves, so coming making demands that kinda make no sense will only legitimize his position and give credit to whatever his saying about us.

Regarding if we attack him straight on:
- We should really think of something more in depth than "Kill him and take the planet or something", the Imperial bureaucracy a beast of its own, if we just behead it and just hope that it words, without providing any kind of solution, we risk having planets going independent, maybe joining chaos, we risk an internal conflict within the Guard and the PDFs, etc.

As a note:
- Maybe we could attempt to contact the Ecclesiarchy and offer them something in exchange for them supporting our deposition of the governor, as well as providing a calming voice while a new sector government is formed. If we manage to get them to declare Rex as a heretic and really the zealous masses against him, our job will be considerably easier.
A) He literally just tried and almost did Subjugate Forge World Odin.
B) Correct, he hasn't breached that yet. So let's try to keep it that way.
 
[X] Plan Soft Words and Big Sticks
-[X] Free Actions
--[X] Have Master of the Apothecarion Bruce Boltson look into different worlds to establish as recruiting worlds for the chapter.
--[X] Have Chief Librarian Steffen Strangeson Look into Psyker Recruitment and Training solutions
--[X] Have master of Sanctity Jannis Hopeson cleanse any remaining chaos taint on Malmur and establish a loyal government after the fight is over.
-[X] Deployment
--[X] Defence of Ragna (3rd, 4th, 8th, Ardent Storm, Void Thunderer, Might of Storms)
--[X] Home Guard (5th Company)
--[X] The Titan War (10th Company) Are to undertake sabotage and assassination missions to prevent any one side from gaining the upper hand.
--[X] Patrolling (Asgardia Sector) (9th Company)
--[X] Diplomatic Meeting (Torvald and his Honour Guard, 7th Company, Unyielding Defiance, Sentinel of Asgardia) Sail to Vanaheim and request a meeting with Lord Sector Reximus to discuss concerns of the Titan War and the subsequent invasion of Ragna. If meeting is refused, redirect to join defence of Ragna.
-[X] Production
--[X] 7 Rhinos (14 Points)
--[X] 3 Whirlwinds (9 Points)
--[X] 4 Bikes (2 Points)

Right, my idea here is to hopefully avoid an all out civil war (that we'll probably lose) in the Sector while the Titan War is on going and we're set for a major Orc invasion. I'm also hoping to get an actual meeting with the Lord Sector to get a measure of the man and see if we can agree to kill Orcs together. If he turns out to be a Heretic or an unworkable asshat we can deal with it then but I'd like to try to avoid a messy and unorganized war as much as we can. Showing up with a full company and two Battle Barges should be enough show of force to be taken seriously with the implicit understanding of "We'll fight if we have to, but we'd rather kill Orcs and Heretics."

If I've missed anything I should add, let me know!
 
an all out civil war (that we'll probably lose)
what? how are we gonna lose? we already beat him in term of naval strength and we are space marines, with at least 3 companies plus the chapter master, and space control we will win on the ground. the question is just how much casualties it will bring.
 
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