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It's Turbin' Time (Library of Ruina Modded/Arknights)

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The word kin have beyond been ruined for me. I cursed my child-self, I will end them if I ever get my hand on the little fuck. Wait a thought cross my mind:
thenew said:
You divert your attention from him, and turn towards the Wandering Singer. She's staring directly at Wympe, as if trying to puzzle something out. Your friend, meanwhile, is negotiating terms of employment with Capone.
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What if Skadi is trying to puzzle out if Wympe is an Abyssal Hunter or not. I made a theory on how Wympe's augmentation is speeding up the Seaborning, but maybe it... accidentally turn her into an imperfect Abyssal Hunter like Andreana?

We do know what Wympe's augmentation do... this might be a wrong... hypothesis(?) however. There's several hole in it.
 
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One thing I'm worried about Sea Fiends is their infectiousness. It is possible they can pass vampirism to other Seaborn during the fight. They lack the coordination that the Seaborn have, but if they make their opponents the same as them...

Although that doesn't explain how they all gathered together to wage war in the first place. I thought that was beyond them. Is something else controlling them?
 
remember how the seaborns considers the bloodfiends
Competition.
So either they both die, or one side lives to tell the tale.
 
Gun and Powder said:
The word kin have beyond been ruined for me. I cursed my child-self, I will end them if I ever get my hand on the little fuck. Wait a thought cross my mind:

What if Skadi is trying to puzzle out if Wympe is an Abyssal Hunter or not. I made a theory on how Wympe's augmentation is speeding up the Seaborning, but maybe it... accidentally turn her into an imperfect Abyssal Hunter like Andreana?

We do know what Wympe's augmentation do... this might be a wrong... hypothesis(?) however. There's several hole in it.
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I think it's just Skadi wondering why this person smells like Seaborn but clearly isn't. At this point, she doesn't know that Abyssal Hunters turn into Seaborn either. All Gladiia told everyone else when they were back in Aegir was that the Abyssal Hunters who turned feral were infected by a Seaborn parasite.

Not really enough information right now to tell how Seaborn cells interact with City augmentations. At the very least, we know that creating Abyssal Hunters and their copies is a deliberate effort and involves surgery and genetic modification. It's unlikely that Wympe's turning into something like that since all she did was eat the remains of Seaborn.
 
LucidProp said:
At the very least, we know that creating Abyssal Hunters and their copies is a deliberate effort and involves surgery and genetic modification. It's unlikely that Wympe's turning into something like that since all she did was eat the remains of Seaborn
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You'd think so, but usually things like not bleeding out due to a severed arm, and reconnecting it like a lego aren't the usual even for Terra either.

I'll chalk the idea up as a solid "we'll see". Especially if the seaborn stuff identifies itself to the implants as part of Wympe and a mutual assimilation happens or something.
 
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-[X] High Inquisitor Dario and Inquisitor Irene:
--[X] Protect the civilians in case the fighting reaches them with particular attention given to Anita since she also has that weird candy, and act as reinforcements in case the attack on the beach goes wrong.
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Overall, I think the rest is fine but I am not sure about Dario is willing to sit this out for civilian safety. Cause mentally Dario has written this entire town off from the ledger as their only fates at this point is starvation or becoming fish, so there really isn't a need in his head to devote resources to protect the town instead of running to the church and hunting Qunitus down to prevent him from preaching more heresy or setting up explosive to collapse his church.
 
reborn214 said:
Overall, I think the rest is fine but I am not sure about Dario is willing to sit this out for civilian safety. Cause mentally Dario has written this entire town off from the ledger as their only fates at this point is starvation or becoming fish, so there really isn't a need in his head to devote resources to protect the town instead of running to the church and hunting Qunitus down to prevent him from preaching more heresy or setting up explosive to collapse his church.
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Even if Dario doesn't want to protect civilians, he'll understand the concept of a strategic reserve to protect more valuable assets (him and Irene). Throw away a couple of strangers to tease the enemy's capabilities out from them and blunt the initial enemy attack, then ride out after they've exhausted themselves on expendable assets (Sieg and co.).

There's still the matter of an entire Seaborn army to deal with, and that army will probably be headed by the Bishop he's hunting whose whereabours are still unknown, so he has plenty of reason to go along with this plan from a logical standpoint.
 
Well, not really that perfect, but it's a plan.
I just hope kai'grandma'sit gets here quick.
[X] Plan: Clean Up Crew
 
Kalina said:
oh, this is in reference to the bug in the actual lobcorp game where the dreaming current didn't actually inflict any HP damage and restore SP damage with its liquid, isn't it? it only slowed any agents standing in it by 50%, which was still enough to make it a bit dangerous since there was a threat of the charge
maybe with the lack of the qliphoth deterrence, the bug is fixed and it actually does do what it's supposed to do, which is physically corroding you and healing your mind while also slowing you down quite a bit
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I wanted to mention this, because the way it works code-wise never fails to make me laugh.
for starters, the damage and healing are supposed to happen every two seconds. The thing is, the debuff that DOES that healing and damage only lasts for one second... and it gets overwritten every single frame you're inside the zone, so there are two completely different issues preventing it from happening.

classic lobcorp.
 
DuoRogue said:
I wanted to mention this, because the way it works code-wise never fails to make me laugh.
for starters, the damage and healing are supposed to happen every two seconds. The thing is, the debuff that DOES that healing and damage only lasts for one second... and it gets overwritten every single frame you're inside the zone, so there are two completely different issues preventing it from happening.

classic lobcorp.
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LobCorp has some really funny code spaghetti, yeah.

Do you remember the Red Mist fight? The one with all the different phases? The one that, at the very end, has Gebura transform Justitia into Twilight?e Gebura has only three forms of attacking in that phase- Road of Gold, collision, and the slam. That being:
  • The King of Greed EGO she tosses through the portals
  • The damage from hitting something while she's moving through the hallways
  • The enormous final attack she does at the end of each charge, dealing 100 Red, Black, White and Pale damage
The final attack makes a list of all Agents in its AoE range, and deals the damage individually to them. This means that Abnormalities don't have any way to suffer damage from the slam.

And that's how a very low HP Gebura somehow got finished off by fucking Ppodae, when I first suppressed her core in my first playthrough. It escaped while I was doing works in an attempt to reload my bullets- I forgot it lost a counter when you did anything other then Instinct. So it went wandering around. Gebura and I had killed every clerk in the facility beforehand and all my agents were deathballing. It had nothing to kill.

So the Red Mist got punked by a TETH.

God I love PM jank. It's so funny.
 
LucidProp said:
I think it's just Skadi wondering why this person smells like Seaborn but clearly isn't. At this point, she doesn't know that Abyssal Hunters turn into Seaborn either. All Gladiia told everyone else when they were back in Aegir was that the Abyssal Hunters who turned feral were infected by a Seaborn parasite.

Not really enough information right now to tell how Seaborn cells interact with City augmentations. At the very least, we know that creating Abyssal Hunters and their copies is a deliberate effort and involves surgery and genetic modification. It's unlikely that Wympe's turning into something like that since all she did was eat the remains of Seaborn.
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I'm not gonna lied, that was one of the issues as well. Along with that Skadi should know the other Abyssal Hunter's faces considering how much they seems to be a "family" or something to that effect. Seeing an unfamiliar, unknown Abyssal Hunter on land should be giving Skadi more ??? than what we got. I think. There's also Gladiia's reaction as well.

Another thing I was trying to do was finding the deliberate element in creating an Abyssal Hunter. Why does simply not feeding them not enough? Why does it required surgery? What was the genetic modification, resistance? Do they shoved baby Seaborn into them or something? Was the Seaborn's cell they put into them originated from the soon-to-be Abyssal Hunter relative or something? Then I stop since I feel like I was asking the wrong/insane questions.
 
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I think the deliberate element in creating an Abyssal Hunter is the augment needed to hold the infection at bay and make it work for the Abyssal Hunter rather than turning them into a Seaborn.

But honestly speaking, I know jack so that's just a guess. I am just taking in what is available on the thread in this case.

Personally, I think the Seaborn's Cell coming from an Abyssal Hunter relative guess is pretty unlikely but could work at the same time.
One is mainly because it's weird enough to work. But another is because in that case wouldn't it be like quickening the infection process and creating a nearly infected abyssal hunter instead of a fresh one?
 
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questioningmeme said:
Personally, I think the Seaborn's Cell coming from an Abyssal Hunter relative guess is pretty unlikely but could work at the same time.
One is mainly because it's weird enough to work. But another is because in that case wouldn't it be like quickening the infection process and creating a nearly infected abyssal hunter instead of a fresh one?
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Depending on how the surgery and genetic modification work. I was thinking of something like: fooling the seaborn's cell into "thinking" the host was already seaborn so the process of turning is slowed due to similar dna or something to that effect.
 
Gun and Powder said:
I'm not gonna lied, that was one of the issues as well. Along with that Skadi should know the other Abyssal Hunter's faces considering how much they seems to be a "family" or something to that effect. Seeing an unfamiliar, unknown Abyssal Hunter on land should be giving Skadi more ??? than what we got. I think. There's also Gladiia's reaction as well.

Another thing I was trying to do was finding the deliberate element in creating an Abyssal Hunter. Why does simply not feeding them not enough? Why does it required surgery? What was the genetic modification, resistance? Do they shoved baby Seaborn into them or something? Was the Seaborn's cell they put into them originated from the soon-to-be Abyssal Hunter relative or something? Then I stop since I feel like I was asking the wrong/insane questions.
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Skadi's a pretty stoic person, she doesn't really show strong emotions when she isn't with someone she's intimately familiar with, so her muted reaction to Wympe is easy enough to explain. That, and I think that Wympe doesn't really ping as an Abyssal Hunter to her senses the same way Alfonso and Garcia didn't despite how they've eaten enough Seaborn to bodily mutate into one.

Eating Seaborn clearly isn't enough for someone to turn into a Abyssal Hunter, but we can make a few guesses based on what we do know of Seaborn cells. I posted it before when we talked about the Corrupting Heart's archive files, and we know how even when technically "dead" and deprived of nutrition, the Seaborn's cells remain functional and able to mutate into any other type of cell. We know that Seaborn evolution is guided rather than random, and we know that they evolve depending on new threats and evolutionary pressures.

Eating Seaborn flesh puts pressure on those cells to survive against the foreign body that's trying to steal nutrients from We Many. An easy solution to that then, is to take over the foreign body much like how a virus hijacks healthy cells to produce more of itself. If you were from a technologically advanced society like Aegir, you can probably study how those cells react to certain stimuli, and repeat the process again and again until you get the result you want since Seaborn evolution isn't random. Just trial and error your way to your desired evolutionary path.

Find the stimuli needed to encourage a slow take over of the body while keeping the benefits of physics breaking physiology, and use the same method on candidates for the Abyssal Hunter program after you implant those cells in them. Iberia with its crumbling infrastructure was less successful than Aegir, but they did have a more stable if vastly weaker version of the Abyssal Hunters in the form of Andreana.

Considering the fact that she's one of a kind and we don't see the Inquisition deploying battalions of people like her, chances are the program wasn't very succcessful and why it worked for Andreana but didn't for others is a mystery even to the people who headed Iberia's theoretical super soldier program.
 
True enough. Skadi's facial expressions is similar to a brick wall. So maybe I shouldn't have put too much stock in that. I did say my initial thought on the Augmentation accidentally turning her into Imperfect Abyssal Hunter had several holes in it.

I'm still somewhat curious how the Locust Workshop's augmentation is interacting with the Seaborn's cell, if at all. My initial thought was it sped up the mutation. But giving it a 2nd read, Sieg never mention how it interact with mutation, only talk about how it would auto connect themselve to flesh to foreign material, connecing them to the user's nervous system with no risk of rejection. Like having your arm cut off and reattached someone's else arm to your stump. So I might've been stupid.

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It's a creation of Locust Workshop. Not only do these little cables serve as a base to several other augmented muscle fibers overlaid in her arm, they also automatically connect themselves to flesh, and can begin the work of linking a foreign material to the user's nervous system with minimal danger while preventing rejection from their body. This means that, essentially, an augmented Fixer can essentially just get their arm sliced off, grab it and prop it back up again.

Or they can get their arm destroyed, kill the enemy and, after the combat, use their arm as a makeshift replacement. It's inelegant and very awkward to work around, but it works. So you just have to find Wympe, hand her the arm and everything will be fine. She'll just pop it back in.
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We will have to wait and see.

And given that the door before was a thing...The guess that Wympe is technically a discount seaborn/abyssal hunter due to the augmentations might not be wrong either.

Connecting Sea Born cells directly into your nervous system and making sure your body doesn't reject it. If that isn't turning you into a seaborn discount I don't know what will.
 
Gun and Powder said:
Another thing I was trying to do was finding the deliberate element in creating an Abyssal Hunter. Why does simply not feeding them not enough? Why does it required surgery? What was the genetic modification, resistance? Do they shoved baby Seaborn into them or something? Was the Seaborn's cell they put into them originated from the soon-to-be Abyssal Hunter relative or something? Then I stop since I feel like I was asking the wrong/insane questions.
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Well the only source for this sort of transformation that in character Sieg will ever encounter is Church of the Deep members. It really would not surprise me if the Church of the Deep hybridization technology on their bishops like Quintus and the Abyssal Hunters hybridization technology are both actually the same with the way Ulpainus talks about the higher ups and infiltrations of Aegir.

Anyway the best way to figure this out in a reasonable time frame would be to raid Quintus' lab where he was doing stuff on Specter and pass his notes to Ayin, so Ayin could advise us on how to do this stuff.
 
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