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Kingdom of God: A Quest of Holy Revolution

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And many of them would still act to save the Pope if possible just so that they could have the position owe them a favor that they can cash in later, and gain huge reputational gains that they can leverage into political, economic and military victories. Possibly even just control the Pope themselves, because the position has power and they arent going to throw a useful tool away.
 
[X] Build barricades in the streets and fortify the Great Synod [Ravs of Labour will support this action].
 
Sivantic said:
Technically... Would we not be okay with the Patriarch dying with our weird Holy Spirit thing?
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Define "okay". It wouldn't destroy the holiness of the position, but it would still mean the position needs feeling, which would be rather hard to organize without the whole thing breaking down into several opposing "Patriarchs" elected by different factions.
 
Sword-Altar would prefer San to be alive to control anyways.

Then again they can try to do the insane "dead reigning pope" thing, who knows with em holy stratocrat-capitalists

TheArcanist said:
Frankly we're caught in a position where if the Sword-Altar manages to either capture the Patriarch or arrest the Sanhedron, we lose. If they capture San and put a gun to his head, he'll tell the crowd we're relying on for leverage to go home, and they'll probably do it, if belatedly. If they arrest the Sanhedron, it will be a political defeat we are not ready to recover from.

We have to think big and hope we can do both, or we don't have a path forward in this crisis.
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Yeeesh spot on, the sects need both to make it. RNG pls be merciful.

Edit: with that said, I'm changing vote from stormimg the Vikrag (currently at 11 votes) to marching for the Sanhedron (currently at 12 votes).

...hey, every little bit helps.

[X] March on the Sanhedron and protect the Elders at all costs.
 
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[X] Fortify the streets around the Heavenly Mount.

imagine the glory of being the heretofore barely-heard-of sect that personally saved the patriarch
 
Omicron said:
imagine the glory of being the heretofore barely-heard-of sect that personally saved the
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Reminder that it's riot voting so every vote translates to effort by the sect & Nachivan citizens who decides to follow.

Also that there's already 20 votes rn for fortifying the Mount, & since the number of votes also impact outcome (not just the proportion of the vote) IMO it's better to spread around the rest of sect power for either Sadbargar Rescue or Sanhendron Rescue
 
Regency said:
Reminder that it's riot voting so every vote translates to effort by the sect & Nachivan citizens who decides to follow.

Also that there's already 20 votes rn for fortifying the Mount, & since the number of votes also impact outcome (not just the proportion of the vote) IMO it's better to spread around the rest of sect power for either Sadbargar Rescue or Sanhendron Rescue
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and my vote will be on the heavenly mount, holding a rifle
 
Regency said:
Reminder that it's riot voting so every vote translates to effort by the sect & Nachivan citizens who decides to follow.

Also that there's already 20 votes rn for fortifying the Mount, & since the number of votes also impact outcome (not just the proportion of the vote) IMO it's better to spread around the rest of sect power for either Sadbargar Rescue or Sanhendron Rescue
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There's an easy calculus here.

The Sanhedron, even if its destroyed (though thats unlikely given that we are still putting over a dozen sect power in it and there are multiple other Sects rallying there to defend the Elders) can be easily rebuilt and given legitimacy once more by the Patriarch. So long as he is alive and hasnt been forced by the Sword-Altar to shatter his own legitimacy to rule.

If the Patriarch dies, but the Sanhedron is alive. Shit hits the fan. Because the latter, while it is an holy body, has existed as an actual governing body for less than a year. Its legitimacy rests of its relationship with the Patriarch, until it can get some more stuff under its belt. In other words, if one does not want chaos, you need a legitimate Patriarch alive and respected so that he can midwife the transition. If not, then the Reformers(Morsi), Conformers(Burs) and Reapers (Sabdargar), will duel over who gets to put their new Patriarch on the seat. That's a recipe for a shitshow now that the guns have come out.

Also if we are the ones who save the Patriarch, we have levers that we can use to propel the Sect into national theopolitics. It's an opportunity we cannot afford to miss. Because unlike with the Sanhedron where we know there are multiple sects mobilizing to defend them, as far as we know, we are the only ones who can mobilize an armed force to defend the Patriarch. Frankly not doing all we can to save him would not only be missing an opportunity, it might well open us to political attacks in the aftermath by opponents and allies on the Sanhedron.
 
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Deadly Snark said:
There's an easy calculus here.

The Sanhedron, even if its destroyed (though thats unlikely given that we are still putting over a dozen sect power in it and there are multiple other Sects rallying there to defend the Elders) can be easily rebuilt and given legitimacy once more by the Patriarch. So long as he is alive and hasnt been forced by the Sword-Altar to shatter his own legitimacy to rule.

If the Patriarch dies, but the Sanhedron is alive. Shit hits the fan. Because the latter, while it is an holy body, has existed as an actual governing body for less than a year. Its legitimacy rests of its relationship with the Patriarch, until it can get some more stuff under its belt. In other words, if one does not want chaos, you need a legitimate Patriarch alive and respected so that he can midwife the transition. If not, then the Reformers(Morsi), Conformers(Burs) and Reapers (Sabdargar), will due over who gets to put their new Patriarch on the seat. That's a recipe for a shitshow now that the guns have come out.

Also if we are the ones who save the Patriarch, we have levers that we can use to propel the Sect into national theopolitics. It's an opportunity we cannot afford to miss. Because unlike with the Sanhedron where we know there are multiple sects mobilizing to defend them, as far as we know, we are the only ones who can mobilize an armed force to defend the Patriarch. Frankly not doing all we can to save him would not only be missing an opportunity, it might well open us to political attacks in the aftermath by opponents and allies on the Sanhedron.
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I don't understand making this binary between the Sanhendron & the Patriarch. It's literally a riot vote & I'm only saying it's worth it for some votes to go to the Rescue Sanhendron vote (edit: it's at 13 atm) since the Protect the Mount vote already has plurality (19 whole votes b4 Omicron voted).

Edit: esp as Cetash already mentioned the number of votes going to an option matters, not just the proportion.
Edit2: which means it won't hurt the prospect of the "Fortify the Mount" option to decline in proportion considering it already has 19-20 votes-as-sectpower going to it, esp if it retains plurality of the vote.
 
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Regency said:
I don't understand making this binary between the Sanhendron & the Patriarch. It's literally a riot vote & I'm only saying it's worth it for some votes to go to the Rescue Sanhendron vote (edit: it's at 13 atm) since the Protect the Mount vote already has plurality (19 whole votes b4 Omicron voted).

Edit: esp as Cetash already mentioned the number of votes going to an option matters, not just the proportion.
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Its risk management, and I'm not saying the Sanhedron is not important. But circumstances that Cetash himself has repeatedly told us do demonstrate that the Patriarch is more at risk. So it needs more votes. We are not alone, other sects can and will defend them, meanwhile the Patriach really doesnt have anyone but us and the Mothguard so.

And wait, when did pining the forces at Vikrag prison get so low? (10) Okay that's actually a problem. If that gets too low, we will have more Juror Sword Altar forces pouring in to take the Heavenly Mount, overrun our defenses before they are finished and take the Sanhedron.
 
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Deadly Snark said:
Its risk management, and I'm not saying the Sanhedron is not important. But circumstances that Cetash himself has repeatedly told us do demonstrate that the Patriarch is more at risk. So it needs more votes. We are not allow, other sects can and will defend them, meanwhile the Patriach really doesnt have anyone but us and the Mothguard so.

And wait, when did pining the forces at Vikrag prison get so low? (10) Okay that's actually a problem. If that gets too low, you'll have more Juror forces pouring in to take the Heavenly Mount, overrun our defenses before they are finished and take the Sanhedron.
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I dunno about "only us & the Mothguards" considering how popular San has been...the entire time we've been in Nachivan, come to think abt it.

Vikrag has only 11 beforehand to be fair, and it dropped to 10 after I switched to the Sanhendron (which only had 12, now...13) since TheArcanist convinced me on how critical the safety of it & the Patriarch are for secrs in Nachivan. But I could switch back to storming the fort if no other voters go for it near the closing of the vote.

Edit: I'll give it until like ~15 min before it's closed.
 
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[X] Menace Vikrag Prison and prevent sorties [Nuns of the Gunpowder Eucharist will support this action].

As it was mentioned, I think I'll make the switch to Prison. I am not sure we are the only ones who will go protect the Mount, but we are certainly one of the closest to the Prison.
 
Regency said:
I don't understand making this binary between the Sanhendron & the Patriarch. It's literally a riot vote & I'm only saying it's worth it for some votes to go to the Rescue Sanhendron vote (edit: it's at 13 atm) since the Protect the Mount vote already has plurality (19 whole votes b4 Omicron voted).

Edit: esp as Cetash already mentioned the number of votes going to an option matters, not just the proportion.
Edit2: which means it won't hurt the prospect of the "Fortify the Mount" option to decline in proportion considering it already has 19-20 votes-as-sectpower going to it, esp if it retains plurality of the vote.
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Sarbadgar is going straight to the Sanhedron, and he's bringing artillery. Directly going to the Sanhedron is useful insofar as Sarbagdar will take time to get there and someone need to protect them in the meantime, but there'll be plenty of other sects doing just that. Remember that the Zekheris have spent time preparing to defend the Sanhedron, which is what Sanhedral control on the map represent. So IMO the direct defense is one of the less impactful options, because plenty of other people are already on it. But we're very close to the Mount, we've got close tied to Sarbadgar, we've got a Sword-Altar garrison right in our territory, and we need to protect people in the Navel. All of those are things only we can do.
 
Pempelune said:
Sarbadgar is going straight to the Sanhedron, and he's bringing artillery. Directly going to the Sanhedron is useful insofar as Sarbagdar will take time to get there and someone need to protect them in the meantime, but there'll be plenty of other sects doing just that. Remember that the Zekheris have spent time preparing to defend the Sanhedron, which is what Sanhedral control on the map represent. So IMO the direct defense is one of the less impactful options, because plenty of other people are already on it. But we're very close to the Mount, we've got close tied to Sarbadgar, we've got a Sword-Altar garrison right in our territory, and we need to protect people in the Navel. All of those are things only we can do.
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Hmmm, point on the protect Sanhedron vote being more of a holding action until Sarbadgar & his arty gets there

I guess if by T-15 min the storming Vikrag vote doesn't get to 12 I'll switch back to it? Make the march on sanhedron, build barricades, & storming Vikrag all have 12 votes each?
 
Regency said:
Hmmm, point on the protect Sanhedron vote being more of a holding action until Sarbadgar & his arty gets there

I guess if by T-15 min the storming Vikrag vote doesn't get to 12 I'll switch back to it? Make the march on sanhedron, build barricades, & storming Vikrag all have 12 votes each?
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fwiw it's a vote to (attemp to) force the jurors to stay in Vikrag, not to kick them out (yet)
 
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