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A World of Mud and Sweat - A Future Nation Development Quest

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2080 Nation Decision Option
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    • While I'm working on the update (this week if work doesn't take up all my time), I have an idea I'd like to punt to the playerbase.

    Given that I really enjoy this world and want to continue this Quest for some time; I'm more than willing to shift nations if there is interest. It'd be akin to the initial nation vote, but it'd go from the point at which we leave the other nation. Should we switch from Egypt, it'd be GMNPC'd while we engage in shenanigans elsewhere.

    I'd also like to take this moment to thank everyone for their dedication and patience in this quest. I find it really inspiring.

    Now without further ado:

    Do we want to switch from Egypt to another nation?
    [ ] - Yes
    [ ] - No.

    Please no write in votes.
     
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    • [X] - Yes

    We should go have an American Revolution and make them extreme far left anarchists. Or something similar. China maybe.
     
    [X] - Yes

    I think it'd be fun to jump to different nations during pivotal moments, guide them for a few years and then repeat the process.
     
    [X] - No.

    Sorta, I only really want to shift to another nation when we're done with Egypt, (that means it is a good respectable powerful nation).
     
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    [X] - No.

    I would like for us to experience the crashing/glorious arrival of any given train before swapping to a new one
     
    [X] - No.

    I'd like to play Egypt a bit more before we switch to a new country. Maybe next country we play can be a really poor/crappy one and we can try to raise it to a much higher standard than before.
     
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    2080; A March
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    • A March
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    Overview: The news was met with grim silence. The face of modern Egyptian democracy shot and in critical condition. The men in the room, the functioning brain of the government, quickly drew up plans. The contingency for the President's falling had not been previously drawn, neither was the one for a Chadian invasion of Tripoli, however that did not stop those gathered. El-Harar will be avenged, regardless of his death.

    Thusly a trio of messages went out, instantly received thanks to the miracle of modern communication. The first to Egyptian ambassadors across Northern Africa were ordered to begin searching for military support from Tunis, Algiers, Gao, and Khartoum. The second was again to the Egyptian ambassador at Algiers, seeking to extradite the would-be assassin to Cairo for handling. Lastly, to troops in the south of Egypt to get ready. Unfortunately for those who sought to bend the Chadians to their will, the outcry from the people of Egypt was not to be expected.

    Those who were squatting in El-Harer Square were suddenly set upon my hundreds of thousands of people, as a mass demonstration of the people's love of their President. The mass movement, swirling and mixing, soon curdled against the regime, as men, women, and children began marching downtown. News had broken, as it ever does, as interventionary discussions were leaked online and to GNN. "Peace!" shouted the marchers. Then came the news that, thanks to Algerian police, a confession was extracted. He was a poor man, a radical man. Scared and holding to his beliefs, he had lashed out against the avatar of destabilization in North Africa. From some interpretations, he was no tool of the enemy, simply a reaction to revolution. To others, he was the very definition of foreign interference, convinced of his beliefs by those in Neom who peddled them so harshly. To few, he was a victim, a man who never held a job over his 38 years of life, devoid of purpose. This would be the man who the Algerians agreed to extradite to Egypt, as there were few qualms of sending an attempted murderer for justice. Again the cry rose "Peace".

    Worse yet, the most immediate news from the ambassadors made their way. Algiers and Tunis, forever embroiled in maintaining their democracies they had fought so hard for, held no interest in foreign adventures. Only Tauregia, under immediate confirmed threat, and Sudan, following a panicked conversation with the President of Niger, gave their support. But the Sudanese army was a relic, intentionally rotted so as not threaten the state. Tauregia a state devoid of arable land, was weak and untrained. It would take Egyptian strength of arms to bring down the Chadians. The Chadians that drove not towards Cyrenaica, but towards Tripoli where the drawn out siege continued to cause death and disease. Meanwhile the Chadians drove westward, their campaign becoming apparent as the days past. A section of the Chadians diverted to Niameny, seeking to take the city, while the other drove on towards Gao. The bombastic propaganda campaign, social media videos arising about the Drive on Gao, making their aim obvious.

    Another day brought another march, again and again. Or rather the same march, as those who participated were the same as the days before. People who had no money, whose only job would likely be to join the Egyptian military and die somewhere in the Sahara. They were promised a new era, but did not expect years of interventions. A cry rose from the people. "PEACE". All they got in response was a new state media campaign. The other nations, scared of Egypt, sought to prevent their place in history. The men in Neom sought to bring it under their banks and clans. The men in Brussels sought to bring it under their institutions and neoliberalism. The men in Chad, under neo-Gaddafist language.

    All while El-Harar lies in his bed, sweating.


    Vote:
    Plan voting is accepted. 18ish hours of discussion prior to opening the voting (opens 08:00 2021/07/29 PST).

    What to do about the March?
    [ ] Write in

    What to do about Neom?
    [ ] Write in

    Provide the military strength to conduct an offensive?
    [ ] No; we have given enough.
    [ ] Yes; through Cyrenaica.
    [ ] Yes; through Sudan.
    [ ] Yes; through Tauregia (aerial only).

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    [ ] Write In
     
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    • Tuaregia ought to be provided with aerial support in the defense of Gao, but no more than that — it would be unconscionable not to render some form of assistance; yet another armed excursion abroad is clearly not on the public menu. Unless the Chadians target Cyrenaica or Egypt in a direct fashion we should try to be as hands-off as feasible. The President barely hanging on in his hospital bed is not an auspicious sign to court public discontent; if the people want peace we should try to give it to them.

    Neither is this the moment to discuss bringing the Saudis to heel. Undoubtedly their archaic and reactionary scheming against the Egyptian people will have to be addressed, but if we want that done right we can't attempt to address it in the middle of an assassination crisis with neo-Gaddafist warlords breathing down our neck.
     
    Well, I was fairly busy yesterday so I'll give my thoughts now. It's pretty obvious that the people don't want any more fighting in outside affairs. Let's not commit to another battle or war and instead focus on internal matters. Hopefully El-Harar will recover from his wounds. Let the protestors be, and for the assassin, he should be tried in a public court in a fair way. Other than that, what is everyone else's thoughts?
     
    I think people are taking these protests too much at face value. It is stated in the update that initially the marches were in full support of President Harar, but were somehow turned to become anti-administration. We know that there are many foreign governments like NEOM or in the West that do not look favorably upon Egypt's recent resurgence and would have a vested interest in trying to subvert our goals. Indeed, I'm fairly confident in saying that I believe the El-Harar Square protests are at least in part, in not in full, astroturfed by NEOM. The protests have only occurred in Cairo, while the rest of the country is silent. Our intervention into Libya began well before our first legislative election, which we proceeded to do very well in. Furthermore, our interventions in Libya have incurred very little manpower and material losses, with most of the burden being purely financial.

    All that is to say that we still have a popular mandate for our actions and that backing down now would reverse all the gains we have made in stabilizing the region. Remember, Libya has been divided for decades upon decades now. There's no reason Libya wouldn't have eventually reunited by natural means, so the only explanation is that outside actors have been intentionally destabilizing the region. Those same outside actors are trying to keep Egypt down, but we currently have the upperhand and should not let our advantage go to waste.
     
    [X] Plan: Soaring Eagle

    What to do about the March?
    - [X] Write In: If the West wants to try to subvert the Egyptian peoples' will through astroturfed marches, then we will show them popular will. Respond to the marches with marches of our own. Organize sympathy marches across the country, including Cairo itself, in support of the president and give these marches ample media coverage on both TV and social media.

    What to do about Neom?
    - [X] Write In: Using Egypt's intelligence agency, begin quietly investigating the instigators of the El-Harar Square protests. Keep a watchful eye out for any potential foreign involvement in the protests.

    Provide the military strength to conduct an offensive?
    - [X] Yes; through Sudan.
    - [X] Write in: Support Tuaregia's defense of their country with airstrikes while coordinating a ground invasion of Niger through Sudan. Given the sorry state of the Sudanese military, they will be better suited for rear-line duty and peacekeeping operations in occupied territory.

    OPTIONAL: Are there any other actions which need addressing (x1)?
    - [X] Write In: Counter the NEOM propaganda campaign with one of our own. Point out how Egypt seeks to bring stability to the region, which has been long exploited by the West and, by extension, NEOM. Use genuine, unscripted accounts and interviews from the Egyptian and Cyrenaican people about how the actions of President Hara have brought prosperity and hope to a long stagnant region. Appeal to both the Arab left and right abroad by demonstrating how the destabilizing actions of NEOM and the West have pitted Arabs (Muslim and Christian alike) against one another. As the capstone to this campaign, either President Harar's cabinet or President Harar himself (should he wake up) will commute the sentence of the Algerian assassin, who was obviously misled by NEOM propaganda, from execution to life sentence.
     
    [X] Plan: Soaring Eagle

    This plan has massive potential to backfire but it's ballsy as all hell. I hope it's reasoning was correct.
     
    Ab Ovo said:
    Tuaregia ought to be provided with aerial support in the defense of Gao, but no more than that — it would be unconscionable not to render some form of assistance; yet another armed excursion abroad is clearly not on the public menu. Unless the Chadians target Cyrenaica or Egypt in a direct fashion we should try to be as hands-off as feasible. The President barely hanging on in his hospital bed is not an auspicious sign to court public discontent; if the people want peace we should try to give it to them.

    Neither is this the moment to discuss bringing the Saudis to heel. Undoubtedly their archaic and reactionary scheming against the Egyptian people will have to be addressed, but if we want that done right we can't attempt to address it in the middle of an assassination crisis with neo-Gaddafist warlords breathing down our neck.
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    I suppose I'll convert this into a formal plan now that voting has begun, and cribbing useful bits from Arrow.

    [X] Plan: Watchful Eagle

    With the people crying out for peace and the President at death's door it is no time to rock the boat — but neither is it a time for mere reactive stasis. Aerial support of the Tuaregs will be sufficient as far as direct military action goes, but a careful eye must be kept on the Chadians to ensure they aren't emboldened enough to assault Egypt or Cyrenaica; which would obviously necessitate a more substantive armed response. No ground offensives unless our hand is forced in that direction.

    While the extent of Neom's role in recent events — if any — is uncertain it would indeed behoove the government to undertake a tacit response to their destabilising and anti-revolutionary influence without too much in the way of sabre-rattling. To that end, and especially utilising the optics of our beloved President half slain by an assassin's bullet, a pro-government campaign of popular marches and sustained proletariat propaganda ought to be undertaken to shore up our image with the man on the streets. This would position us well to counter foreign disinformation as well as gin up popular support just in case we've forced to undertake an offensive down the line.

    The assassin ought to have his sentence commuted if and only if the President survives and is able to do it himself, preferably while still weakened and infirm to demonstrate the unfathomable depths of his mercy and generosity. If not, his head must roll, and roll far, to quell the inevitable public grief and outrage.
     
    i feel with the slowdown it's appropriate to put it to the final 24hrs. Vote closes ~18:00 2021/07/30
     
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