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Contest 1: Scout Mech phase 2
After tentatively selecting Gregory's hexapod design, your team got to work. Skeletally, the system was going to use a relatively old-fashioned ring arrangement to control the legs, with a forward engine compartment and transmission. The transmission system itself, while nominally a stock part, would probably have to be modified however. Since most mechs these days were bipedal, that in turn meant the transmission had two main power outlets: a bit of a problem when you needed seven! This wasn't a huge hangup, but it would however mean finding an out-of-company shop to make sure that you either had a further power splitter, or a modification to the transmission to split the power locally.

The engine, meanwhile, was an underpowered piece of shit. With a listed 610 horsepower, in reality you had to push the thing to the bare bloody edge of operability in order to get enough power downshaft to throw the transmission wide open. While you couldn't get rid of it, unfortunately, there were options to improve the engine with a supercharger. This would be hideously expensive, however, and the general consensus was that unless you wanted to be the most expensive mecha coming to the floor, you would have to go unsupercharged and just try to push as much weight savings as possible to make up for it.

The gyro, thank God, was just a gyro and very temperate. Making 2.5 thousand RPM, it would be flatly overkill to stabilize a hexapod, and you could probably set up a way to under-drive it if you needed to find a way to scavenge up more horsepower to run the legs.

While all this was going on, you had a far more important job to get on with: scoping out potential contractors. While it wasn't an ironclad order like your engines and related, you did work for Hotchkiss. It was assumed you'd use company guns. Since you weren't planning on getting anything bigger than a Hotchkiss Portative, this was a good plan, and you'd stick with it. Everything else, though? It was like driving off gadflys.

For cockpit manufacture, you really only had one option outside doing it in-house, and that was Guilmont & Sons. Their involvement would shave a good bit of time and money out of cockpit construction, and also get you better radio integration, but came with the very real risk that they'd be overpromissing themselves. Guilmont & Sons wasn't a moniker- it was literally a workshop operation out of Chantilly by some guy and his nine children.

Actuators was far more of a mess of bids. The Societie du Charleville, who produced the original Araignée actuators, was trying to sell you their latest and greatest models. Rated for a theoretical 50 kilometer top speed, they were cheap and lightweight: their rep quoted you nearly 25% off per actuator compared to the in-house estimate. On the other hand, the OSEN group was offering an excellent actuator as well. While not as much a cost reduction versus in-house, somewhere around 15% per actuator, the OSEN actuators were very heavy-duty, and rated for 35kph top speeds without any reduction in lifespan. In addition, for private sale these actuators were warrantied for 60,000 km of road use, even if said warranty wouldn't apply to your contract.

Feet were probably going to be in-house, unless you wanted to go to the Compagnie du Siens and buy from them. They were offering an excellent 20-ton foot, which would meet your terrain requirements, but would also be a solid 5% cost hike over your in-house 25-ton foot. The problem was, that cost hike covered a massively lighter foot, with more elegant actuation systems, better automatic load balancing, and a much better wet terrain handling. If you want to push quality, this would be the place to go.

On the off chance you, for some reason, don't want to buy Hotchkiss for the armament, there's always Fabrique Nationale. They were offering a licence-built Colt MG-52 if you were so interested, and the increase in striking power from a 7.5mm to a 12.7mm round was tempting, if nothing else. The weight increase would be pretty notable and firepower wasn't a goal… but you know, it would be nice to have.

With the contractors identified, the only question was now deciding whether or not to take them up, as well as whether to switch horses to a different design. Since you haven't started work on a physical prototype yet, the amount of lost time will be fairly nominal. If you want to push forwards, though, everything is lined up, ready and waiting.

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VOTES
(one vote per category, please vote on all categories. No plan votes, those break the vote counter.)

Engine
[] Supercharge it. Cost will go up pretty notably, but you need that power back.
[] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.

Transmission
[] Send the transmission out to be modified to supply the needed power outlets
[] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets

Cockpit
[] Send construction out to Guilmont & Sons. Lowers cost.
[] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction

Actuators
[] Buy from the Societie du Charleville. Lowers cost drastically, works at high speeds
[] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[] [Actuators] Use in-house construction

Feet
[] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[] [Feet] Use in-house construction

Weapons
[] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.
[] Buy new MG-52 Colt machine guns, liscence-built by Fabrique Nationale.

OR (exclusive to any other vote option)

[] Abandon the hexapodal mecha, continue with another concept
-[] Matthew's Concept
-[] Yves' Concept
-[] Previous Write-in Concept
 
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Oof, that engine problem :/ still, no one wants an overpriced scout mech.

Doing this by task because I think doing otherwise will cause problems with all the "Use in-house construction" options
[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction
[X] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house
 
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[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] [Transmission] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] Send construction out to Guilmont & Sons. Lowers cost.
[X] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new MG-52 Colt machine guns, liscence-built by Fabrique Nationale.

Personally with the problems that I saw coming I still think we should go with the biped but I know I'm most likely not going to get enough votes to change to it. but putting it up as vote any ways just incase.

Now right now we need to focus on some things the two big ones are weight and cost. so Cost is why two options is send them out with the OSEN group choosing over the other for it's reliable tag. The feet is lowered weight and would yes raise cost it's a design that exists and we don't have to accidently fuck up building legs.

Now with the weapon option I was very torn between them the Hotchkiss is in-house while the colt isn't and would weigh less.... but the colt is a more modern gun and really is just an enlarged M2 with the potential for more ammo.

Edit: removed change design vote.
 
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Engine
[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.

Transmission
[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets

Cockpit
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction

Actuators
[X] Buy from the Societie du Charleville. Lowers cost drastically, works at high speeds

Feet
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.

Weapons
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.

I'm hoping the hexapod setup keeps some of the actuator strain low, because those might be cheap for a reason. They are, however, cheap. Which helps offset the extra cost for the lighter feet. And we need as little weight as we can get away with for this model because our engine is fairly puny and I expect the hexapod transmission is going to sap a bit of power as well.

Keeping the Cockpit design in house since that's likely to be the biggest headache to design. I don't want to learn that the contractor delivered something that only works when the tides and pilot are high. Also having the in-house guns keeps weight low, and I have this odd sense that someone might get annoyed if use another supplier's weapons without good reason. (Someone can bolt on a bigger gun later, I think. The turret for this design was supposed to be on top IIRC.)
 
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Now with the weapon option I was very torn between them the Hotchkiss is in-house while the colt isn't and would weigh less.... but the colt is a more modern gun and really is just an enlarged M2 with the potential for more ammo.
To be fair, the only enemies it will fight will be infantry, the 7.5 will do the job just fine. It might struggle against heavy cover but it isn't meant to fight anyway so I think Hotchkiss smaller caliber would be ideal, it being a smaller round means that the mech can carry more which is more useful against infantry.
 
I'm going to push for the heavy duty actuators. It was noted as a problem area in the initial phase, and one of the strengths of this design was all-terrain handling. Besides, if we're not supercharging it, we have less need to skimp on cost. That said, the weight reduction might be worth it, I dunno.
 
[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction
[X] Buy from the Societie du Charleville. Lowers cost drastically, works at high speeds
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.
 
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[x] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
Price is important.
[X] [Transmission] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] Send construction out to Guilmont & Sons.
[x] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
The Alps will break down before our mech does.
[x] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
Going all in on all terrain.
[x] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house. Gotta keep weight low, but the bigger gun is tempting.
 
To be fair, the only enemies it will fight will be infantry, the 7.5 will do the job just fine. It might struggle against heavy cover but it isn't meant to fight anyway so I think Hotchkiss smaller caliber would be ideal, it being a smaller round means that the mech can carry more which is more useful against infantry.
Well the other thing is the Colt and funnily enough but Forgotten Weapons did a video on the A1 variant last week is Belt fed while the Hotchkiss is a 24 round strip so not only does the Colt carry more ammo that ammo doesn't take up all the space that the Hotchkiss does though I will admit this is somewhat offset by the size of the Colt.
 
Well the other thing is the Colt and funnily enough but Forgotten Weapons did a video on the A1 variant last week is Belt fed while the Hotchkiss is a 24 round strip so not only does the Colt carry more ammo that ammo doesn't take up all the space that the Hotchkiss does though I will admit this is somewhat offset by the size of the Colt.
Hmm, @7734 how big of a weight difference is the Hotchkiss compared to the Colt if they are installed on the mech with the gun and ammo?
 
Engine
[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.

Transmission
[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets

Cockpit
[X][Cockpit] Use in-house construction

Actuators
[X] Buy from the Societie du Charleville. Lowers cost drastically, works at high speeds

Feet
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.

Weapons
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.
 
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[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction
[X] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.
 
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To be fair, the only enemies it will fight will be infantry, the 7.5 will do the job just fine. It might struggle against heavy cover but it isn't meant to fight anyway so I think Hotchkiss smaller caliber would be ideal, it being a smaller round means that the mech can carry more which is more useful against infantry.
And, ya'know, enemy scout mechs. Having something that could turn a panzer 1 equivalent into Swiss cheese is mighty handy. Maybe put the fifty in the turret and the Hotchkiss in the hull?
 
Personally with the problems that I saw coming I still think we should go with the biped but I know I'm most likely not going to get enough votes to change to it. but putting it up as vote any ways just incase.

You can vote contractors, or you can vote to change mecha designs. Not both. Please fix this, or I'll need to discard this vote.

(Someone can bolt on a bigger gun later, I think. The turret for this design was supposed to be on top IIRC.)

It's more a shielded and enclosed ring and pintle mount, so it's not technically a turret. Just very close.

Well the other thing is the Colt and funnily enough but Forgotten Weapons did a video on the A1 variant last week is Belt fed while the Hotchkiss is a 24 round strip so not only does the Colt carry more ammo that ammo doesn't take up all the space that the Hotchkiss does though I will admit this is somewhat offset by the size of the Colt.

Note there is a feed adaptor for the mle.1914 Hotchkiss to let it take belts, which you will be using. As a rule, all mech weapons use belts unless otherwise noted. If these belt adaptors are ahistorical, then c'est la vie, they exist anyway.

Hmm, @7734 how big of a weight difference is the Hotchkiss compared to the Colt if they are installed on the mech with the gun and ammo?

Full war load? The difference would probably be about a hundred and twenty kilos, as a WAG. 12.7x99 is not a light bullet: most of that weight is in ammo, even though I'm counting full war load for the Hotchkiss guns as 1500 rounds for the vehicle, versus 1000 for the Colt guns.

So I should note that FN did make the MG-52 or rather the 53 in 13.2 Hotchkiss.

Correction, will make. This contest is circa '25, and the 13.2mm FN Browning gun is mle. 1939 and therefore still on the drawing boards. I do know what I'm doing when I put options on the table here.
 
[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction
[X] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house
 
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[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.

[X] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets.

[X] [Cockpit] Use In-House Construction.

[X] Buy from the Societie du Charleville. Lowers cost drastically, works at high speeds.

[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.

[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.
 
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[X] [Engine] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] [Transmission] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction
[X] [Actuators] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[X] [Feet] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house

While the top-speed actuators would make the mech look like a skittering bug when it moves, which is kinda a funny image, we are including a radio in this mech, so the need to have the mech hoof it back all the way to base ASAP isn't as prevalent when they can radio in. Also, this kind of mech is one we should probably take all the reliability we can get.
 
Might be lighter to modify the transmission rather than add a whole new part?

[X] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] Send the transmission out to be modified to supply the needed power outlets
[X] Send construction out to Guilmont & Sons. Lowers cost.
[X] Buy from the Societie du Charleville. Lowers cost drastically, works at high speeds
[X] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house.
 
[X] [Engine] Don't supercharge it. You can make do with lightening the mecha.
[X] [Transmission] Have a transmission adaptor built to direct the power from the stock outlets to the needed number of outlets
[X] [Cockpit] Use in-house construction
[X] [Actuators] Buy from the OSEN group. Lowers cost, is very reliable.
[X] [Feet] Buy from Compagnie du Siens. Raises cost, better terrain handling, lower weight.
[X] Buy new Hotchkiss mle. 1914 guns in-house

Lets keep it on the lower to middling cost range
 
So Hotchkiss gun and 1500 rounds is equal to Colt gun and 1000 rounds?

No, they're still 120+ kg difference in weight even with an extra 500 rounds for the Hotchkiss guns. You gotta think, a 12.7mm round weighs four and a half times more than a 7.5mm round. (118g vs 24g) .

Might be lighter to modify the transmission rather than add a whole new part?

Probably. It's also more work though.
 
@7734 You have three separate "[] Use in-house construction" votes, which the vote tally will group together as a single vote (one per voter) due to them all using the exact same wording.
 
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