Industrialization Quest

[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Attend dinners with Bailiff Kenneth Meyer, and try to crack his professional shell with friendliness.
[X][Social] Send letters reaching out to the Catalina family, your mother's birth family. Marriage is an alliance, so they ought to be friendly.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

Tatbee said:

Only 1 Windmill exists within Veschwar, a country-wide Windmill tax is unlikely.

It could be a river trade tax, for the River Zal.

They might tax trade at that fortress, or tax any trade-vessel entering/exiting the mouth of the River Zal.

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That guy is not happy we didn't crash and burn, maybe not the windmill, but our heaters? They can be big business along with our new horse collars and the plows. There are a lot of stuff he can mess with us with, and we have to spend less the best few turn because our loan is coming due. Though the river trade will help us too.

LordEdric said:

That guy is not happy we didn't crash and burn, maybe not the windmill, but our heaters? They can be big business along with our new horse collars and the plows. There are a lot of stuff he can mess with us with, and we have to spend less the best few turn because our loan is coming due. Though the river trade will help us too.

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It can't be a tax specifically aimed at us.

Rockeye said:

Pressure from the Governors? A new petition has been brought forth to King Conrad, our most noble liege, requesting a royal decree of law on several matters of considerably importance. What exactly this petition is is not yet known, but rumor claims it to be a set of laws that will increase taxes, though speculation is rampant about just where the increased taxes would apply. Lord Governor Burke of the eastern region of our country champions this petition most of all - claiming that action needs to be taken. Others, including nobility and merchants, have argued vigorously, and now the King has set a series of hearings regarding the mysterious tax-petition scheduled for this autumn.

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If the tax did only affect us, Nobles and Merchants from all over Veschwar wouldn't be arguing vigorusly against it.

Logically, the tax must be for something that affects everyone, not just our lands.

That rules out the tax being for heaters, horse collars, plows, or windmills.
Because as far as we know, nowhere else is making them.

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

@Rockeye a question about Early Cannon/Mortar research.

Rockeye said:

[ ][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a military advisor. He could come up with uses for gunpowder, work out how to effectively use cannons, or talk to the Army for you, perhaps? Commits a half action to managing him. 1 Profit/turn.
[ ][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

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If we hire Gerald Hooker as a Military Advisor, will he contribute towards cannon research/use/testing?
But if we hire him as a Bodyguard, he won't?

If you hire him as a bodyguard, all his time will be spent guarding you, not fussing with cannons for you.

[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]


[X][Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Military Advisor
-[x][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[x][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a military advisor. He could come up with uses for gunpowder, work out how to effectively use cannons, or talk to the Army for you, perhaps? Commits a half action to managing him. 1 Profit/turn.
-[x][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.


[X][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?
[X][Social] Your brother Grover is paying a bit more attention to his lessons now. You could read the books he chooses with him to grow closer.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] A great many merchants and soldiers are passing through your family's lands. Chat with some of them.
[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.

For Military Advisor, read Powder Monkey and Cannon Tester. Always delegate. When employing explosives arms length is too close.

[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard

[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons

the weaving would probably help more for personal wealth, but this would help for food production. (If i went with the double cannon plan I would want the guy as a military advisor instead of a body guard because then he would have something to actually do. However since our parents are handling mil/diplo I feel fine not having a military advisor.)

[X][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?
[X][Social] Your brother Grover is paying a bit more attention to his lessons now. You could read the books he chooses with him to grow closer.
[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Reconnect with Lennie, an old friend from before you were pushed into joining the army, an earnest Knight's son.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.


[X][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?
[X][Social] Your brother Grover is paying a bit more attention to his lessons now. You could read the books he chooses with him to grow closer.
[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Reconnect with Lennie, an old friend from before you were pushed into joining the army, an earnest Knight's son.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.


[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard

[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons


[x][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.

[x][Social] Spend some time with the band of journeymen and cripples making your horse-collars.

[x][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.

[x][Social] The slightly flirtations Miss Johanna is idly trying to compose a song about you, perhaps you can help her.

[x][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.

[x][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?

[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[X][Social] Attend dinners with Bailiff Kenneth Meyer, and try to crack his professional shell with friendliness.
[X][Social] Send letters reaching out to the Catalina family, your mother's birth family. Marriage is an alliance, so they ought to be friendly.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

I don't think it's a good Idea to hire 2 people becouse then we would end up with with an odd number of helpers which means we have the half action again. Either we hire all 3 to get +3 helper actions (for a total of 4 helper actions) and -1.5 normal actions (4 normal actions total) => 8 total action or we only hire 1 helper which gives us +1 helper action (2 total helper actions) and -0.5 (normal actions) => 7 total actions. Hiring the miltary guy as a bodyguard dosn't cost a half turn so that's fine together with something else but I still prefer going all in even tough that's extremly expensive.


[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.



[X] [Hiring] Plan All In
-[X][Tobelli] Hire Bravor Tobelli, a brilliant and manic Romangan scholar, as a researcher and experimenter. Will likely come up with some very interesting innovations and developments. Commits a half-action to working with and directing him. 4 Profit/turn.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a military advisor. He could come up with uses for gunpowder, work out how to effectively use cannons, or talk to the Army for you, perhaps? Commits a half action to managing him. 1 Profit/turn.

For outlines I think both more canons and reaping and canons are fine but steam is rare so it could take a pretty long time to show up again. So I will vote for these 3 plans

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[X][Codex] Plan Steam and Cannons
-[X] Prototype Steam Engine [Rare] [0/??20-30??]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[X][Codex] Plan MORE Cannons
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15] x2

[X] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard
-[X][Tobelli] Do not hire Bravor Tobelli. Maybe next year you will have more money, if he doesn't leave on some voyage of discovery or something.
-[X][Hilde] Hire Hilde Govesnacht as a Spymaster focused on securing the Bismarck fief and your industries against hostile intrigue. Commits a half-action to working with her. 1 Profit/turn, remainder paid by family.
-[X][Hooker] Hire Gerald Hooker as a highly skilled bodyguard, better than the guards who usually escort you. He would be content with it and you could probably use one of those, you know you're not the best fighter. 1 Profit/turn.

[X][Social] Send letters reaching out to the Catalina family, your mother's birth family. Marriage is an alliance, so they ought to be friendly.
[X][Social] You wouldn't presume to try and have a friendly chat with the count of Franzen, but his grandsons or granddaughters, perhaps...?
[X][Social] Hanna Renns-Abbot, who you met half a year ago, seems to have heard of your work with the Church of Shallya and invited you to some sort of party.
[X][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[X][Social] Exchange letters with Timothy Greens to see how things are going in Nesiwald and with his wife and kid.
[x][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?

Tatbee said:

@Rockeye a question about Early Cannon/Mortar research.

If we hire Gerald Hooker as a Military Advisor, will he contribute towards cannon research/use/testing?
But if we hire him as a Bodyguard, he won't?

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But I asked, and we can switch him to a military advisor later. So my thought is that we switch him to military advisor once we get further down the research road.

[x] [Hiring] Plan Spymaster and Bodyguard

[x][Social] Your sister Heileen seems to have something of a complex relationship with her teacher. Maybe talk to her about it?
[x][Social] A distant cousin from your mother's side of the family is coming to visit. Try to get to know them, they are family after all.
[x][Social] Reconnect with Lennie, an old friend from before you were pushed into joining the army, an earnest Knight's son.
[x][Social] Send letters reaching out to the Catalina family, your mother's birth family. Marriage is an alliance, so they ought to be friendly.
[x][Social] Discuss whatever comes to mind with the scholar Bravor Tobelli. It's sure to be eclectic.

[X][Codex] Plan Reaping and Cannons
-[X] Seed Drill and Reaping Machine [0/15]
-[X] Early Cannon/Mortar [Rare] [7/15]

I'm quite anxious about that debt still... @Rockeye : Can we please get the option to vote next turn on if we want to keep Nesiwald income off of our hands until we've saved up for the debt?

I don't understand the question.

Rockeye said:

I don't understand the question.

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The debt to Connet Rens is coming up in 4 turns or so and scrunching together 25 profit at the last minute may be a bit difficult. I think it would be a good idea for everyone to vote on if they want to keep the Nesiwald income separate from regular funds and use it to pay off the debt when it's due.

The other option, if money runs dry, is to take another loan to pay off the remaining amount we couldn't raise in time.

I don't want to do that, it seems like extra bookkeeping for no good reason to me. You'll just have to plan ahead.

Right, I get that, but if it isn't an option to vote on, it seems to me that people just aren't going for it. It's hard to build consensus and deliberately plan ahead for something x turns away when that something isn't in a vote, when the incentive is to prioritize things in the vote and we use the votes to progress. For that reason, I think it's important to have it there to gauge which course of action is preferable. Not everyone will be too well-versed in the income & expenditures balance sheet either, which can make it challenging to accurately gauge events that are a couple of turns away.

Elder Haman said:

But I asked, and we can switch him to a military advisor later. So my thought is that we switch him to military advisor once we get further down the research road.

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We're researching Cannons now though, not later.

Wouldn't it be better to do this?
1) Hire him has as a Military Advisor, to help research cannons.
2) Then switch him to Bodyguard.
3) Then switch back to Military Advisor, whenever we research "military" codex options.
4) Repeat 2) & 3).