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Oooh I kind of like the idea of making Olenna Master of Coin and therefore forcing a more traditional region to get behind a women to keep their influence. Might be fun.
You may spend your slots as you see fit. But you're a close enough friend to Jaime (and know the gist of his understanding with Prince Oberyn) to know that you don't have to do anything about Tywin right away -- Jaime has that well in hand.@Marlowe310811 I'm assuming that we don't need to spend a slot here to send Tywin to the Wall? As that's pretty much what we will have to do to keep our promise to Jaime.
Jon's succession is the same as canon -- there's only little Robert, and then Harry the Heir. Difference here is that Robert isn't addle-minded Sweetrobin, but more of a chip off the block.Basically the Tyrell's are opportunists and so could be won over, but Jon Arryn is the truly hostile Lord Paramount. We ought to get a hostage from him as insurance.
@Marlowe310811 What is the current state of Jon Arryn's family? Does he have anyone other than his son Robert in his family line?
Hopefully that is what I got across -- so long as you aren't doing completely crackers shit like commissioning statues of Rhaegar or naming your firstborn Aerys, Ned is more or less going to back your play. He's a big believer in the style of "I take as much time as I have to try and convince you of my position/plan over yours ... and then I'll go do what you tell me to do."I think I can make a pretty good case to Ned Stark for this, one that he would understand, and thus will support even if he has misgivings.
Doran is grateful for the honour, but knows from visits as a youth that the Red Keep is not remotely up to ADA code, and would humbly recommend his brother in his place.We are basically telling the rest of the country to suck it up and accept Dornish dominance. Besides, Doran is cautious enough that he'll help us make our reform plans realistic in their approach and reach.
@Marlowe310811 Can we get an idea of Doran's thoughts?
Olenna is quite sensitive to the distinction between people perceiving that Mace is a stuffed shirt and that the women in his life really run the show, and confirming it openly. Despite being a house full to the brim with powerful and intelligent women, they are very invested in the traditional power structures, partly because the Reach is the seat of those traditional structures (knights, the Faith, the masters, etc.) and partly because Olenna, Alerie and Margaery know how to operate in the shadows and not in the open.There is also a possible alternative that is a bit more crafty. It's basically the same as the above plan, but instead of Harry Strickland, we appoint Olenna Tyrell as the Master of Coin. Straight up, no shadow councilor nonsense. Give the Tyrell's a reason to be invested in the idea that women can hold Small Councilor positions.
Well. Making Stannis happy is a tricky job -- just ask Selyse.One thing I have been thinking about is that Westeros is pretty well wrecked. Only the North, Dorne, and maybe partially the Vale have come out unscathed. There is some sense in the idea that the Lord Paramounts from those regions ought to maybe stay at home and help fix things up. But I don't want to slight Stannis, would he accept such reasoning? Or would he want a position in King's Landing and regard a lack of such as a slight? He tends to be prickly about such things, but he also does have strong feeling about the Stormlands being his by right, so...
That might persuade Mace, but Olenna is a tricky person to win with flattery. Again, not saying you can't or shouldn't do it, but she's a crafty fox and probably going to be a handful and a half. And RPing that conversation would be wickedly delightfulIt's also part of my thought on how we'd make the offer to Olenna. We'd talk about how we need a Tyrell for their expert Stewardship to set things to right in the Kingdom, but we know how much the Reach suffered in the war, and so cannot take any of their Lords or menfolk away from their duties in the Reach. Rather we'd like to extend the position to a distinguished lady of the Reach who has no longer has a husband to care for, and so can be spared to provide the Tyrell "growing strong" touch for the good of the Kingdom.
I mean, there could be. But what you IC know is that he wouldn't say no, and neither would Hoster. FYI, he is in his mid-fifties, and while he can still kick the shit out of most people who try, he knows he's not on the level of Barristan and Jaime, and won't be shy about telling you this.The other is the question of Brynden Tully, is he interested in a spot on the Kingsguard? I ask because the general assumption is that he's not interested in women period, and so the Kingsguard would to him be a relief in getting his brother off his back about getting married, but maybe there is something different we don't know about?
That might persuade Mace, but Olenna is a tricky person to win with flattery. Again, not saying you can't or shouldn't do it, but she's a crafty fox and probably going to be a handful and a half. And RPing that conversation would be wickedly delightful
I mean, there could be. But what you IC know is that he wouldn't say no, and neither would Hoster. FYI, he is in his mid-fifties, and while he can still kick the shit out of most people who try, he knows he's not on the level of Barristan and Jaime, and won't be shy about telling you this.
@Elder Haman Why not Jaime Lannister as Hand of the King? We're planning on adding him back to the Kingsguard and when he abdicates in favor of Tyrion Tyrion will need to be back in the West to take control.
Being Hand is mainly just about carrying out the King's will, so the main requirement is that they have a close relationship with the King. They don't make specific advisor rolls I believe. Jaime is our closest friend so I feel like he's a good fit. Plus we can't make him the Commander of the Kingsguard right now since Barristan is still around, so I think he would appreciate it.
@stuckunderwater has the right of it -- being Hand is largely about being someone the King can trust, is on the same page as them, etc. It helps to have them good in at least one field, to be sure, and if they're going to advise on a thing (like if you make them your Martial advisor) that's what they'll roll on specifically. And, if you're looking for a Hand with Martial ability, you couldn't do much better than Ser Jaime.@Marlowe310811 Can we get some information on Jamie's thoughts on becoming Hand, his abilities for the role, and any issues with roll bonuses?
To be clear, it's not that the Tyrells aren't options -- I wouldn't have put them up if they weren't. Just that, if you really want them, you may also want to take into consideration what the peace deal looks like, and if you were willing to make some backroom deals about Paxter, a man who took point on the naval side of the Screams.Okay, you heard the QM: Let's put Harry Strickland as Master of Coin instead.
And since I want Tarly sent to the Wall and anyone responsible for the Dragon's Screams hanging from the Gallows, that's why I suggested going for Strickland instead.To be clear, it's not that the Tyrells aren't options -- I wouldn't have put them up if they weren't. Just that, if you really want them, you may also want to take into consideration what the peace deal looks like, and if you were willing to make some backroom deals about Paxter, a man who took point on the naval side of the Screams.
@stuckunderwater has the right of it -- being Hand is largely about being someone the King can trust, is on the same page as them, etc. It helps to have them good in at least one field, to be sure, and if they're going to advise on a thing (like if you make them your Martial advisor) that's what they'll roll on specifically. And, if you're looking for a Hand with Martial ability, you couldn't do much better than Ser Jaime.
It isn't something that you talked about all that seriously with him, in the past, but it wouldn't surprise him if you stuck him with the pin (so to speak) and so long as you don't expect him to suddenly become a much nicer person, he's not going to object strenuously.
@Elder Haman and @Vocalist -- in thinking about it further, I would suggest thinking about how Mace and Olenna will feel about having half a million gold taken from them and then asked to manage it for you, and that while you have Mace's cousin/Olenna's nephew, Paxter Redwyne, standing trial and liable to be exiled, Walled or executed.
@Elder Haman and @Vocalist -- in thinking about it further, I would suggest thinking about how Mace and Olenna will feel about having half a million gold taken from them and then asked to manage it for you, and that while you have Mace's cousin/Olenna's nephew, Paxter Redwyne, standing trial and liable to be exiled, Walled or executed.
Yeah, that makes sense. Well, I suppose we could bring in Mace as Master of Coin and have Arianne, who we can trust, manage things from the shadows.And since I want Tarly sent to the Wall and anyone responsible for the Dragon's Screams hanging from the Gallows, that's why I suggested going for Strickland instead.
To be clear, they very much understand the financial situation Robert has left you in, and know you need to fix the realm's finances, but that doesn't mean they're keen on you doing so on their backs.I'd like to think that the Tyrells would be sensible enough to realize that we need to fix the realms finances, but whatever.
On Paxter Redwyne... I really don't think we can fix the trials so... at most we could promise to offer the Wall to him, but that's it.
@Elder Haman why stannis as the martial advisor instead of jamie? Jamie has Martial 30 and once he's no longer depressed he'll have Martial 32. You can make your hand your Martial advisor.