Vorstallen Magic Preparatory - The Third-Best School for Young Mages in the Nation! Enrol Today!
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I don't think so, actually.
It's merely forgetting stuff, not altering time so that we never met. If we forget the day we met, then we just don't remember the time we met. We still recall 99% of the friendship, so it's nearly completely unaltered.
In fact, I'd argue that it's very unlikely for the memory elixer to wipe out anything meaningfull, for the very simple reason that anything meaningful would have occured over many days.
If Event A happened, and shaped Ulos over day B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J and K, then losing the memory of A won't matter much. We'll still have the memory of us recalling Event A on B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J and K, thus allowing us to reconstruct the memory using memories of memories.
The only way anything will be lost is if we never recalled it on any other time, in which case it probably wasn't important in the first place.
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I have two questions here, either of which being answered "Yes" will make me vote for this. And if both are...
1. Does this drug synergize with the Time Dilation, in that a single dose covers the entire dilated period because it's all happening within 30 days? I'd normally assume no, but it's already not following normal aging patterns, so.
2. If you overlap multiple doses, does it go *2 *4 *8?
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- USA
This
Seems to strongly hint that they do combo.
It looks like the only mechanical downside is that it takes away 2 weeks of our Holiday and might impact the adventure we can do then. I'm not sure how that ends up working.
Also it maybe a chance to gain relationship with Miranova considering she's taking us there for what looks like 4 days.
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- Burgundian Netherlands
I'd assume it won't be that easy, and that you can't just reconstruct highly emotional and meaningful memories based on partially recalling them later. At the very least the driving force behind them which informs all later actions will be gone. It seems that things like the confrontation with Edward, or the traumatic experience with Inukar's rival at the conference which have shaped Ulos' drive are at a real (if slight) risk of being stripped away, even if we might be able to indirectly recall some aspects of it through later recollection or narration -- the emotional cathartic moment anchoring Ulos' personality and the weight behind it will be gone.
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- Straya
Statistically you might have some patchy memories or lose skill points, but the chances of you forgetting an entire relationship are minimal.
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- Straya
Miranova will supply you with food - basically you go in with a big ol' cart full of food, study materials, etc.
This is why they're called Undying. Other mages are usually subject to the vagaries of age. Your average mage might live till 80. Longevity is incredibly hard to distill Alchemically, and usually comes with an exponential decrease in effectiveness - top Alchemists who study this might live till 120, 130, but that's the limit of human life. Only the Undying can genuinely transcend the flesh to a degree and live for thousands of years.
I would note that 90 days of training is traded off for one and a half of years potential training at some point. Accelerated time gives you the training now, and it allows you to compound the Elixir to get 180 effective days training time over the Holidays. Notably, you've spent 63 days so far. This is an incredible boost relative to Ulos's peers, even if it's only in Lore. Memory-based training rolls are almost entirely lore of some sort at this point in the quest.
1 is no - it's effective time, as is 2. But they do combo together in the sense you get the full benefit of both if you use the Elixir during Time Dilation. You can still use the Elixir outside it, of course.
Barondoctor
The things I chase come to me.
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- The other side of the mirror
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- He/His/Him
[X] The Hyperbolic Undying Time Chamber (CRITICAL REWARD)
[X] Xayide Elixir (HIGH-END REWARD)
In for a screamingly weird drink penny, in for a time-warp memory elixir pound.
[X] Xayide Elixir (HIGH-END REWARD)
In for a screamingly weird drink penny, in for a time-warp memory elixir pound.
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- Brazil
[X] The Hyperbolic Undying Time Chamber (CRITICAL REWARD)
[X] Xayide Elixir (HIGH-END REWARD)
[X] Xayide Elixir (HIGH-END REWARD)
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- Croatia
The only problem with Xyide Elixer is that we may forget a spell which we know but we have never used.
Examples are Bind Spirit, Shatter Illusions and Philter of Awareness. Forgetting our only other adventure may also be a big problem, since it defined us as who we are (the trait). I guess we could spend a turn writing them down.
As a side note, I just realized we should have a Weekend option of Visit Pia. We never actually took it (or where offered to take it, though there is a in-game reason for that).
Since we would be in a chamber without Abraham, at least we could get rid of that Learning Penalty from Studying in our room.
Examples are Bind Spirit, Shatter Illusions and Philter of Awareness. Forgetting our only other adventure may also be a big problem, since it defined us as who we are (the trait). I guess we could spend a turn writing them down.
As a side note, I just realized we should have a Weekend option of Visit Pia. We never actually took it (or where offered to take it, though there is a in-game reason for that).
Since we would be in a chamber without Abraham, at least we could get rid of that Learning Penalty from Studying in our room.
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- Straya
This is effectively the warning.
Miranova doesn't care too much about this herself, but the risk of forgetting some crucial insight or worse - some piece of information she had to commit to memory on the spot and can never recover could potentially be disastrous. Ulos doesn't have high-value memories for the most part he can't write down, whereas Miranova has thousands of secrets she'd prefer not to forget.
You can, but for reasons above most mages don't find it all that useful. Most mages from a non-impoverished background (read: almost all of them) are going to have powerful people who care about them who aren't going to let people tinker with their kid's mind for a few months of accelerated training. They'll just keep their baby at school longer. They have wealth, and all the time in the world to use it. Most trained mages will never use it for reasons above. Miranova has had a genuinely hard time finding someone to use this on.
You'd need to be both desperate and a risk-taker to consider this.
I would say, for everyone being like 'wow, these combo super well!'. That's the point. This isn't a quest reward generated ex nihilo from a chest, this is Miranova working to tempt Ulos with something he badly wants so she can experiment on him in ways that would absolutely get her killed if she did it to a kid who had important parents.
Miranova has absolutely no idea how the egg works and she's been interested for years. You can spend Actions studying it, but they're unlikely to yield much - you're just not advanced enough at this stage.
Which says it's in Miranova's best interest to train us up a bit before entering, so there's at least a little chance of some information of marginal value coming out of it
I would have also thought that while the normal benefits of Arcane Meditation would be limited via training in the box, for Ulos purpose of understanding his soul the isolation would be a benefit? Kind of like an isolation chamber helps with meditation.
Oh god, how is this going to interact with Ulos's diverted magic?
Also, still want to see about hugging a spirit
If we take the potion, we need to write down important shit. Both character defining moments and also everything we know about the soulbinding that was done to us. On the other hand I'm very concerned that this will make us forget things we don't even know we know about the soulbinding because we already have been MADE to forget.
edit: also we're going to need to take a BUNCH of study materials
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also another cost is that this is basically 90 days of solitary confinement and will weaken Ulos's friendships since from his perspective he'll have spent 90 days away from his friends of less than that.
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- Burgundian Netherlands
Well, writing our memories down won't suddenly help us recapture the feeling of decisiveness in risk-taking we had after Inukar's adventure, if it were to lose it. Even if we were to write down "this made me realize that it's all about taking risks to get ahead, or fall behind forever", it won't suddenly recapture the feeling and insight that makes Ulos think and act this way.
This is a good point though, I wonder if those 'magically removed but still partially accessible through meditation'-memories are a valid target for the potion. Or if there even are more of them to recall, that one snippet could have been the result of a fluke in the necromancer's spellcasting.
This is a good point though, I wonder if those 'magically removed but still partially accessible through meditation'-memories are a valid target for the potion. Or if there even are more of them to recall, that one snippet could have been the result of a fluke in the necromancer's spellcasting.
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- Brazil
True but the odds of a memory that important getting wiped are small. Worth the risk of getting half a year of study.
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- Croatia
The elixir is pretty good, but I would be weary of taking all 3.
People are perfectly normal with amnesia and short term memeory loss in a limited degree. Push that too far and you become a different person.
Though I have no idea how much "too far" is.
Using 2 and giving one to Abraham (remember he has horrible intelligence score, and this one would double it and put him on par with us) would also be a worthwhile investment. Though if he would accept is another debate.
As a side note, would we age to 18 (from 16) if we take the time chamber? Or is it just general "you lose 1.5 years at the end of your lifespan"? Because people are going to take notice when we grow a lot. There is no way to hide it.
And 3 months without human contact is not a good thing.
People are perfectly normal with amnesia and short term memeory loss in a limited degree. Push that too far and you become a different person.
Though I have no idea how much "too far" is.
Using 2 and giving one to Abraham (remember he has horrible intelligence score, and this one would double it and put him on par with us) would also be a worthwhile investment. Though if he would accept is another debate.
As a side note, would we age to 18 (from 16) if we take the time chamber? Or is it just general "you lose 1.5 years at the end of your lifespan"? Because people are going to take notice when we grow a lot. There is no way to hide it.
And 3 months without human contact is not a good thing.
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Honestly, I don't actually view that as super-important. The decision making process behind that was a logical outgrowth of Ulos's situation