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I think immediate power is more easily acquired through picks; which makes something like G-DS more attractive to me, especially since that +2 Rank bonus is nice. Gets us some relevant stats too, as well. A very good spike in power.

Rihaku said:
Hm... Speaking of names, what about the Council's faithful servant?
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Diagram lich confirmed.
HoratioVonBecker said:
That adds up to 101%. Did they just round lazily or something?
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Maybe the categories are not exclusive? I dunno.
 
Perhaps Prolessarch himself is captive here?

Rihaku said:
A lich who studied under a legendary Great Sage, the easy-going and adventurous Prolessarch completed a powerful spell which allowed him to traverse the void between dimensions.
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Let's imagine the following: Prolessarch completes his spell. Unlike Gisena, he is not rushed for time and does it right and safely. Where would he arrive?

Why, he'd arrive here of course! The Azure ring is the color of truth and is perhaps the very ring of truth itself, the ring of the diagram, straight from EFB. Given the associations between stars, astrology, "A Throne of Stars", and the Diagram, he probably appeared in the night sky that the star forges mine then fell to earth like a meteor. Upon being captured, he decided that being a "faithful servant" was a better idea than being a captive, and so here we are.

Rihaku said:
[ ] Combat - The assassin.
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The colors for this option are the same as for the Accursed. It's only natural that it grants +progression.
 
My guesses: R type -> rapid, O type -> Oracle, X type -> End of temple scenario ala SCP, S type -> really strong?
 
BrainInAJar said:
It does certainly improve her odds of success, but worsens the consequences of failure by making her more vulnerable. Since I don't think Aeira is a perfect and flawless infiltrator; long-term usage of her capabilities means lessening the influence of the unpredictable by investing in her strength. If we are too afraid to risk her we can't use her properly, in essence.
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This seems like quite a edge case to pursue. It requires both Hunger to not have been brought along and the scenario to be such that power level of whatever she's infiltrating to be in the band where the increase is relevant. While degrading her capability at her main job as the cost.

She's a soldier we hired, obviously we're not going to send her to her death needlessly, but actively making her worse at her primary function so she can more reliably complete a lesser grade of jobs doesn't seem like the way to go.
 
[X] Guile-Defeating Stance

Strange how some people feel these guys are so bad. They're doing pretty well with what they have in my opinion. A thousand years of life for most people isn't bad. And the immortals are needed as a trump card to defend the ring. We are proof of that.
 
I think the probability of X-type dropping from 14% to negligable with the information of the other notable incursions means that... an X-type is more costly in lunacy to attract? Surely the Ring doesn't can't still have a trump card at this point, it's already willing to die.
 
Hunger and Gisena fighting the Magus.
Rihaku said:
Speculated typing: S-type 35%, O-type 41%, X-type 11% (!), R-type 14%.
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Hunger and that other guy when they fight Vanreir
Rihaku said:
"No. But we've detected two other R-types in the region. Bag them both and the Tribunal has agreed to review your case."
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Rihaku said:
Patrol activity in Sector X-M has revealed four Incursions of notable strength in this period, including two R-types and Fairbright. We now believe the chance of X-type incursion to be <.1%.
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Hunger = R-type obviously.

Given that they've never seen X-type before, and the only new person to enter the Temple recently being Gisena, they must be getting that result off Gisena. Or possibly something about the combo of Gisena and Hunger. And of course when we leave Gisena back at camp the X-type chance drops to 0.

Graah said:
Strange how some people feel these guys are so bad. They're doing pretty well with what they have in my opinion. A thousand years of life for most people isn't bad. And the immortals are needed as a trump card to defend the ring. We are prood of that.
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We need to be the heroes of our own story, so naturally the Temple must be evil.

Also, as a side effect of the Temple's power extraction people are lured here, driven mad, and then murdered.
 
Projectile said:
I think the probability of X-type dropping from 14% to negligable with the information of the other notable incursions means that... an X-type is more costly in lunacy to attract? Surely the Ring doesn't can't still have a trump card at this point, it's already willing to die.
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X type must be more dangerous since the ability to explain away the damage as caused by other R types reduced their estimates of us being one.
 
Man it would be neat if we could assemble a team of companions that were lesser remittance options. Highly unlikely, but neat.
 
Graah said:
Strange how some people feel these guys are so bad. They're doing pretty well with what they have in my opinion. A thousand years of life for most people isn't bad. And the immortals are needed as a trump card to defend the ring. We are proof of that.
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As long as they don't whine about getting wrecked if someone actually succeeds at removing their power source that had a blaring warning sign for thousands of years about how it was going to try to be removed. Then they're alright, they knew the risks and take their lumps when the debt comes due. If they don't then they're not alright, and the inherent unsympathetic nature of the relentless torture is magnified in an unflattering manner.
 
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Talace said:
My guesses: R type -> rapid, O type -> Oracle, X type -> End of temple scenario ala SCP, S type -> really strong?
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Alternate theory: It's the kind of magic that target uses.
R type -> Accretion
O type -> ??? Battle magic maybe?
X type -> Unknown magic system that the Temple has never encountered before.
S type -> Soul Evocation

Classifying threats by the type of magic they use makes a lot more sense than anything else, because it's an easy way for the Temple to know what kind of threat they face.
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
This seems like quite a edge case to pursue. It requires both Hunger to not have been brought along and the scenario to be such that power level of whatever she's infiltrating to be in the band where the increase is relevant. While degrading her capability at her main job as the cost.

She's a soldier we hired, obviously we're not going to send her to her death needlessly, but actively making her worse at her primary function so she can more reliably complete a lesser grade of jobs doesn't seem like the way to go.
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I don't think that Hunger not being along is an edge case; and we do actually get her help in combat and heal our liver here. Saying that she would contribute much in combat is misguided to me. Not only are more combatants always good, as the Magus vs Gisena and Hunger fight showed match-up van be an incredible advantage. Imagine being able to attack Vanrerir, whose thrust required a target, inside the safety of her Element! Or even right now, using her abilities to pick of subordinates against the guy whose power derives from his authority! The very fact she'd have different capabilities is what would increase her value.

And yes, we won't send her needlessly; but you know how protective the thread can be sometimes. More safety would allow the range of missions we would be willing to deploy her in increase tremendously.

She's still going to be good at stealth; this just makes her better at her role as a solider; which is actually useful more often; we don't always need to infiltrate stuff; but with our life, fighting stuff is always going to be in pretty high demand.

Plus, this is a permanent heal to our liver! With just a bit of time, no more crippling weakness, and the penalties are halved immediately; it's a very good option.

Graah said:
Strange how some people feel these guys are so bad. They're doing pretty well with what they have in my opinion. A thousand years of life for most people isn't bad. And the immortals are needed as a trump card to defend the ring. We are proof of that.
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Living a thousand years is good; a privileged elite living a thousand years by the sacrifices of their "lessers" is... less good.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by BrainInAJar on Jul 2, 2020 at 1:47 AM, finished with 112 posts and 31 votes.
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Oof, Save is getting annihilated here. A little surprised at it really doesn't seem that risky. We have good combat odds, and very good odds of survival here. Plus to even run those odds we have to fail the social combat, which we're quite well positioned for.
 
I think it's based less on magical system, and more on what type of danger they would be. Hunger and Fairbright, at first, are R types because they can quickly grow and become a bigger nuisance, O type for oracle makes sense due to it being a threat difficult to face directly, less about them having raw power, more about they screwing the temple long-term. It's likely that Gondar had some precognition defense and killed them, being masters of stealth and all.

S type for someone strong but without growth, basically, either slowly grind them down, or just work around them, while X type, i imagine is a reference to SCP, people with potential to end the civilization.
 
Poor Business... without business acumen, how will Letrizia find employers for your mercenary scheme, huh?! Ask yourselves that! Plus, do you really want to abandon Aeira in the Voyaging Realm / provoke the Voyaging Realm while you have the Apocryphal Curse? Seems risky.
 
Rihaku said:
Poor Business... without business acumen, how will Letrizia find employers for your mercenary scheme, huh?! Ask yourselves that! Plus, do you really want to abandon Aeira in the Voyaging Realm / provoke the Voyaging Realm while you have the Apocryphal Curse? Seems risky.
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Abandon? She lives here! Sure it's a bit of a hellscape but no place like home.
 
Thomasfoolery said:
Oof, Save is getting annihilated here. A little surprised at it really doesn't seem that risky. We have good combat odds, and very good odds of survival here. Plus to even run those odds we have to fail the social combat, which we're quite well positioned for.
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1) People are tired of being constantly in mortal peril in the Outer and Middle Temples, so quickly outscaling this Inner Temple guy (who seems like a pretty good representative of their elite soldiery) to the point of being able to decisively and safely beat him is appealing. They don't want good odds, they want to win this fight.

2) A lot of people want to progress up the Stance tree anyway, including a lot of the people who voted for All-Defeating Stance previously.

3) We've just stacked up two EFBs in very rapid succession, all since our last serious battle (against the Rot Primary). Continuing to S A V E for a third right away feels a bit less urgent until we get a good sense for how the first two interact and what they let us do.
 
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