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Genesys said:
uh sorry what
+1 Defensive Rank is not the same thing as multiplying protection by 10. Rank isn't a strictly logarithmic scale, and while Rank stacks with our other forms of damage avoidance, like Agi, Con, and Protection, +1 Defensive Rank is merely reducing penalty against currently higher Ranked entities, far as I can tell.
double agi and charisma are good, but the defensive rank is not all you've cracked it up to be.
Unless you mean buying vigor incarnate afterward? in which case more reasonable, but also we're unlikely to be able to until after the infiltration attempt because of picks.
Plus we can't panicbuy it either, meaning Flare is the only panic EFB acceptable for Balance voters.
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You misuderstood, by itself it does not give tenfold protection, it's based on a previous argument that i made that it's highly synergetic with Vigor Itself, since Vigor Itself transforms our charisma into protection, and Silver increases our charisma by 130%. It would double the effective value of Vigor itself and give us a immense amount of protection. Addimitedly, it's 2 picks and 27 arete, so not exactly cheap, but there is the fact that with both our protection would sky-rocket, and that it would make future charisma + incredibly useful by not only doubling their value, but also by having them give 2.3 protection.
 
noliar said:
I was thinking more the mass buffing. It's still a tossup whether he'd go for it though. Without something like that I don't think even a big charisma advantage will move him.
If you want someone who we can just socially steamroller, Selune vi Tries is the encounter to vote for and for her we already have enough charisma.
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We can propose the mass buffing before having the capability. As a progression type obtaining the capacity is fairly straightforward.

However, if we have the capability but not the permission then the enhancement will never occur. Being able to enhance our allies is logically secondary to having allies in the first place.
 
Xalvitor said:
There is also an odd mystery, for all users of the 360 blue runes, that has baffled scholars for centuries: All of them, in their deathbed, utter the same 3 words:

Fucking All Paths.
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I'm deeply flattered, seriously this is perfect. Thank you for this.
Talace said:
A huge Rank increase for many of the Blood effects, which do what Ennobling and Transfusion do in rather limited forms. We can heal, empower, and buff without these bonuses, and a +2.7 rank increase in effect is genuinely massive.
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The thing that makes me most curious is the refunding aspect of it. Ennoble and Augment Dominion: Blood both have solid synergies with the +2 Rank bonus that we get by default. If we can use those to find an opportunity to nab the Ring, we could then get a solid additional power boost from the value of the picks we'd get from the refund. Getting 3 Augment Dominions would cost 6 picks and could really do a lot for our combat power considering the Rank advantage we'd have. If we can then refund all of those at once when we grab the Ring, we could pick up a bunch more Blood Advancements to increase our power even further to deal with whatever boss comes our way.
 
Orm Embar said:
Least Curses
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There is just one you forgot:

{ } Affliction of Schedules: Time and the world itself conspire against you, preventing you from responding when it would be relevant. The more you desire for your voice to be heard, the greater the hurdles and challenges that will appear to bar your way. Unmitigated, you will find yourself falling further and further behind, your voice a mere echo from the past utterly lost by the present. With some difficulty, this can be mitigated slightly, but the downsides of phone reading at inappropriate times and neglecting ones rest may dishearten the less dedicated Cursebearer

Dark Abstraction said:
And hey, Odin also hung himself in that myth. And Hunger can kill himself without dying. Sacrifice your first (better) form for magic! You'll weaken yourself and disappoint the Forebear, but that's a small price for more magic, isn't it?

(this is not a serious suggestion; do not do this)
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Well, if you really want to do that right, the full course is to hang oneself for nine days while being stabbed by a spear, over a source of arcane knowledge, and to go without any aid or sustenance for said duration. The eye was a separate deal made for wisdom.

That being said, the phrase 'Odin sacrificed himself to himself' comes up when reading about those events.
Sara said:
all, Gissele is already at near-memetic hazard levels of social ability which thanks to Edeldross we can boost by 45% if neccesary.
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I feel like that may be less than subtle.

Gate Guard: What's all this then?

Hunger: Allow my companion to answer that. But first . ..

Hunger sprays Gisena with translucent magic sparkles

Hunger: Ok, now you can talk to her.
 
Cerillian said:
I feel like that may be less than subtle.

Gate Guard: What's all this then?

Hunger: Allow my companion to answer that. But first . ..

Hunger sprays Gisena with translucent magic sparkles

Hunger: Ok, now you can talk to her.
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Lmao. That was pretty funny.

I'm actually not entire clear on what the visual effects of Edeldross use look like, but I figure if we're going up to gate guards with the idea of Gisena talking to them, we'd buff her beforehand and have already asked her to do the talking first.

If their approaching us, Hunger or her could just say that it's a precautionary measure, which given this is a all stats buff isn't even a lie. I'm sure we're not the only magic user in the entire Voyaging Realm that has a buff routine.
 
[X] Selune vi Tries
[X] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening

I wanted the prior 'droas option because I thought there would be interesting future Evening Sky synergy options, and there it is. We will have our own personal star of inspiration, and perhaps the first of many stars.
 
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Cerillian said:
I feel like that may be less than subtle.

Gate Guard: What's all this then?

Hunger: Allow my companion to answer that. But first . ..

Hunger sprays Gisena with translucent magic sparkles

Hunger: Ok, now you can talk to her.
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That might actually work for the more weak-minded guards... such is the power of a hyperstimulus!

runeblue360 said:
The thing that makes me most curious is the refunding aspect of it. Ennoble and Augment Dominion: Blood both have solid synergies with the +2 Rank bonus that we get by default. If we can use those to find an opportunity to nab the Ring, we could then get a solid additional power boost from the value of the picks we'd get from the refund. Getting 3 Augment Dominions would cost 6 picks and could really do a lot for our combat power considering the Rank advantage we'd have. If we can then refund all of those at once when we grab the Ring, we could pick up a bunch more Blood Advancements to increase our power even further to deal with whatever boss comes our way.
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The value of refunds is indeed substantial, though the difficulty of finding these Advancements and taking them over true immediate power is another hurdle to clear...

Xalvitor said:
You misuderstood, by itself it does not give tenfold protection, it's based on a previous argument that i made that it's highly synergetic with Vigor Itself, since Vigor Itself transforms our charisma into protection, and Silver increases our charisma by 130%. It would double the effective value of Vigor itself and give us a immense amount of protection. Addimitedly, it's 2 picks and 27 arete, so not exactly cheap, but there is the fact that with both our protection would sky-rocket, and that it would make future charisma + incredibly useful by not only doubling their value, but also by having them give 2.3 protection.
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The question does arise of whether one even needs so much Protection when one becomes so glorious that the mundane mind would find it unthinkable even to assail! Though I suppose that is not yet a concern for the likes of Hunger even with the Silver of Evening. Still, it's probably not too far off if he continues to mainline Charisma!
 
Cerillian said:
I feel like that may be less than subtle.

Gate Guard: What's all this then?

Hunger: Allow my companion to answer that. But first . ..

Hunger sprays Gisena with translucent magic sparkles

Hunger: Ok, now you can talk to her.
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Gate Guard starts raising weapon: What the...

Gisena wits boosted interrupt: Because you're worth it!

GG: Oooh. W-we're worth it? Thank you!
 
Sara said:
Lmao. That was pretty funny.

I'm actually not entire clear on what the visual effects of Edeldross use look like, but I figure if we're going up to gate guards with the idea of Gisena talking to them, we'd buff her beforehand and have already asked her to do the talking first.

If their approaching us, Hunger or her could just say that it's a precautionary measure, which given this is a all stats buff isn't even a lie. I'm sure we're not the only magic user in the entire Voyaging Realm that has a buff routine.
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I think Rihaku has stated that Edeldross is invisible by default, so it should be possible to buff discretely. The larger problem is Surgecraft manifesting as huge bursts and waves of power, but since we took Edeldross Adept we should have very good control and thus be able to pull it off without alerting everybody.
 
The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare : 25
None: 11
Evening Sky: Silver of Evening: 13

Suggestion: Those who don't like the Crimson Flare might want to congregate their votes.

Gondar Hrsillimas: 15
High Marshall Avecarn: 15
Selune vi Tries: 14

Suggestion: Who knows who is winning, keep fighting for your vote man!

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Adhoc vote count started by Maragas on Jun 29, 2020 at 3:18 PM, finished with 405 posts and 52 votes.
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Rihaku said:
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That might actually work for the more weak-minded guards... such is the power of a hyperstimulus!



The value of refunds is indeed substantial, though the difficulty of finding these Advancements and taking them over true immediate power is another hurdle to clear...



The question does arise of whether one even needs so much Protection when one becomes so glorious that the mundane mind would find it unthinkable even to assail! Though I suppose that is not yet a concern for the likes of Hunger even with the Silver of Evening. Still, it's probably not too far off if he continues to mainline Charisma!
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Huh. If we grab enough charisma, we might have the problem that we would need to reduce it to do mundane human interactions. On the other hand, that would be quite helpful in dealing with armament pilots, depending on how rank interacts with sufficient charisma.

Also, more argument for Silver!

Also good to keep in mind that with silver + vigor Incarnate we would effectively make Hunger a walking meme hazard, ideal to subverting the ring civilization.
 
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We're gonna need a Charisma limiter at some point, maybe an Evening Sky upgrade that conceals our majesty rather than enhancing it. Applying Stealth selectively? Or we could just kill ourself in the short term to turn off our swag.

Man, what a nice problem to have. If only we had too many stats rather than not enough.
 
ImperatorV said:
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Basically, it boils down to Silver just not getting the things I want at all. The argument that "but Flare gets what you want only when X happens" does not impact when the opposite is just... nothing, to me.

Well, maybe not "nothing", stats are not a bad thing to have exactly, but... Eh. It does not fulfill the goals I care about.
 
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I think we control whether our enhancements are turned on at the very least, maybe also to which degree. Remember how we've gone far beyond the speed of sound already? Neither Gisena nor Letrizia nor any normals we've met are that fast, but we can interact with them normally.
 
[X] High Marshall Avecarn
[X] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening

Finally an Evening Sky option I can get behind. Unfortunate that it's trailing behind in votes. Feels like people have been chasing Ruling Ring for so long that its voting momentum is now snowballing to other EFBs related to it.

Crimson Flare puts us into a catch-22: to clear the Temple, we need its full benefits; to get them, we need to first clear the Temple. Outside of the gated abilities, it doesn't give much for the purpose of convincing the populace of giving Hunger the Ring, or enough for taking it by force.

Is the plan to enter the Temple only after purchasing the Flare? There is not much time left before Apocryphal is active again. It would also look like procrastination to Hunger, and as we've seen that results in burning Arete.

Like, what's the game plan for Crimson Flare?
 
The game plan for Crimson Flare is simple and has been touched on a time or two already if I don't miss my mark.

We get Flare -> either use its massively expanded capabilities to fight/heal, or more preferably, prove that our blood magics are mighty enough to provide long-term benefits as long as we're given time and resources to do that work. Like, Ennoblement was a difficult pick because we're fighting all the time and it probably requires that we enhance someone permanently first, but we'll have lots of avenues to research this in the Temple if we come to an agreement.

We use those capabilities to subvert their civilization, gathering any malcontents and showing them another path. Augment, Ennoblement, Transfusion are going to get refunded once we save the Ring, which means it wouldn't even be a waste of picks and Arete, never mind how helpful such options will be for our future conquests. And once we have the Azure Ring, our abilities will be enhanced massively, letting us quickly Ennoble large swathes of the population.

Conversely, what will we do if we don't get Crimson? This is some 10 million people we're consigning to largely losing their protection in the middle of the Voyaging Realm.
 
Gerrou said:
Is the plan to enter the Temple only after purchasing the Flare? There is not much time left before Apocryphal is active again. It would also look like procrastination to Hunger, and as we've seen that results in burning Arete
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We can get flare in 2-3 updates fairly easily if we don't soend arete here.
 
Unelemental said:
Conversely, what will we do if we don't get Crimson? This is some 10 million people we're consigning to largely losing their protection in the middle of the Voyaging Realm.
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Well, for one, we could take Ennoblement along with other stuff in the temple regardless of whether we pick crimson flare here. Since quite a lot of posters seem to want to take it over Ruling Ring even if we don't pick it here, we might as well just get Sliver which will do a lot more to help us when it comes to this avenue of completing our tasks, like increasing our social capabilities and gaining the ability to mitigate a Tyrant's curse proc with our pseudo-perfect defense. Plus, earlier we take it, earlier we benefit from the increased Magnitude growth rate while increasing our parties combat power due to stat gain and making social infiltration less likely to fail.

I don't think Flare is a bad pick here, but all the benefits you mention are just as easily achieved by taking it post temple, whereas taking Sliver of Evening first would make carrying out these same plans easier.
 
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Sara said:
I don't Flare is a bad pick here, but all the benefits you mention are just as easily achieved by taking it post temple, whereas taking Sliver of Evening would make carrying out these same plans easier.
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If we take Flare we will auto win the Primacy for the Azure Ring aka the final stretch of the Temple. Not to mention all the refunds makes up like half the arete spent on it. We may even buy Stranglethorn with the picks refunded.
 
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