Fair, but kind of redundant. I mean, I kind of doubt that we would need the Apocryphal reduction inside the pillars?
Probably not. Hence why I'm wondering what it can even do inside of them.

Still, that's 7 days of relative safety every 37 (30 plus the 7 spent in pillars) vs 1.

Sure, but if the point is to get pillars to become buff enough to just kill our way through there seems little point in going through the charade.
Pillars can do a lot more than just make us buff enough. Increased rank, increase socials, etc.
 
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson Flare

I'm not a fan of infiltrating. Best bet is probably defeating Gondar without killing him, at which point he'll have no real choice but to take us in. We're poorly suited to that though, given how heavy our build is offense and how light it is on defense.

I want to complete the trinity of artifact-focused EFB's, and given concerns about the ruling ring I think this is a good alternative to the Ruling Ring. I could easily see power levels of 10+ for the current ruling ring.
 
Oh, Praise @Rihaku! Praise be! Mercifully granting us Power-focused EFBs not based on the Blade! Our god is a kind one!

[X] Gondar Hrsillimas
[X] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening
- 25 Arete (1 pick)

Doubling the best physical stat and the buff Edeldross gives, sign me up! Plus that Perfect defense, how shiny!

Would be fine with the Ring winning too as long as we gain access to a power EFB that isn't Blade based. The dreams of balance still live on!
 
We can take Gondar, and simply force him to take our message of deception if it comes down to it. His attacks may be more varied but they're sure as hell not gonna kill us before we close the distance.
Gondar is weaker than Vanrier was, and we are stronger than Vanrier was. He'll be a painful fight we'll probably get a moderate condition on, if it turns into a fight.

I'm not a fan of infiltrating. Best bet is probably defeating Gondar without killing him, at which point he'll have no real choice but to take us in. We're poorly suited to that though, given how heavy our build is offense and how light it is on defense.
You, uh, didn't vote on that.
 
[x] Evening Sky: Silver of Evening

Do we even have chief dominion yet for the ring EFB?

Anyway, it would be possible to get 2 consecutive days of tier-2 Tyrant Mitigation. (At the end of one month and the start of the next.) That's long enough to get lots of Relationship-building done with our memetic-hazard level of CHA+
 
It seems pretty crazy to not go for a maximum power pillars focus if we actually get it considering the situation. Since this is all very speculative though it doesn't really matter.
I mean, it seems like the High Marshall is among the best they've got. And his advantage over us is rank. If we can close that gap...

Do we even have chief dominion yet for the ring EFB?
Yes. We've been abusing it heavily.

Anyway, it would be possible to get 2 consecutive days of tier-2 Tyrant Mitigation. (At the end of one month and the start of the next.) That's long enough to get lots of Relationship-building done with our memetic-hazard level of CHA+
Pillars is 7 days at 1/3 strength, though. In our place of power. That can be made into a literal palace of luxury.
 
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I mean, it seems like the High Marshall is among the best they've got. And his advantage over us is rank. If we can close that gap...

The best unit among those that have to unconditionally obey orders and is referred to as a dog yeah. It could be Gondar's aspersions are correct and Selune is representative of the council having degenerated into a bunch of lazy fuckups. That seems more likely than it was before I saw the full update, I still wouldn't say it's the greatest probability scenario of those on offer though.
 
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Probably not. Hence why I'm wondering what it can even do inside of them.

Still, that's 7 days of relative safety every 37 (30 plus the 7 spent in pillars) vs 1.
The difference is that Silver lets us deal with a situation we're facing, such as integrating with society or doing something that baits the Apocryphal Curse
 
Selune seems like a real hand of mercy extended out salvaging the social infiltration plan. The other option being pick Gondor->kill him for picks-> hope the timeline is good-> take pillars-> storm the temple. Seems quite a bit more uncertain.

Indeed, Selune makes your infiltration much easier and you can potentially get either a party member or an ally for Letrizia out of the bargain as well! Surely House Artriez would benefit from having such a versatile Soul Evoker at their side... I would advise you guys not to be blinded by greed and save even when it isn't prudent to do so! Live first, growing strong will come in time.

We can take Gondar, and simply force him to take our message of deception if it comes down to it. His attacks may be more varied but they're sure as hell not gonna kill us before we close the distance.

Gondar, while not as overwhelming an opponent as Vanreir was at that stage, is still more than capable of killing you. And unlike Vanreir, he doesn't play fair and has no compunctions about killing your companions from ambush first. The latter is not particularly likely, but it is possible. Avecarn on the other hand is not actively hunting you and will approach you openly.

Consider also that rangers often have poisoned arrows - a mainstay, even - and Hunger's liver is not healed...
 
Guys, making Versch Rank 7 solves all our problems. Why need a perfect defense when you can just... wreck shit?
 
[X] Selune vi Tries [Cost: 4 Arete]
[X] The Ring of Power: Crimson flare


with crimson flare, I suspect convincing people to defect and potentially other options that do not require killing all the inner residents will open up. We can give these fucks an replacement.
 
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The difference is that Silver lets us deal with a situation we're facing, such as integrating with society or doing something that baits the Apocryphal Curse
Not really? It only mitigates it for a day, and the Apocryphal curse would be perfectly willing to wait for the exact second the mitigation ends to hit us all the harder.
 
... Honestly, Gondar sounds like the easiest (combat) encounter here?

Especially because we have Wraith Form. So even if he comes out of nowhere and surprises us and kills us in one hit... it still won't be the end of us.

So he can't one-shot us with a snipe. So we're... good there, I think.

His arrows might have exotic effects, sure. But, if he doesn't know to use them? If he doesn't know that Hunger has a Wraith Form? Then he can't preemptively prevent our undead 1 UP from functioning.

So long as you can avoid the first arrow, the ambush -- avoid you or your party members dying to it -- then it sounds like you'd probably be at good advantage to win.
 
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[X] High Marshall Avecarn
[X] None


Welp, I don't think either 25 point option are what we need, either here, or long term, so None is an easy vote.

I'm voting for the High Marshall for two reasons, I think we have the best odds of convincing him to let us defect of the two non Arete choices, and if we flub the roll I think we can take him with a Flash Buy Stance, or at worst two, either way a victory over him, social or steel it doesn't matter, will give us a great drop, hopefully Rank, or possibly The King Stands Alone, given his shear level of badass.

The reason I think we can pull this off is manifold, first, he is the Hammer, he would be half expecting any opponent he faced to choose service over death, we won't have to justify our desire to turn coat, and hopefully we can avoid a tyrant proc by playing up our pride. Additionally his soul is tuned to Authority, building up the society he lives in by recruiting those bound to the call who show promise is already part of their military culture, it has the Weight of History behind it, Precedent, turn his souls deep love for Order and Hierarchy against him. Let him add another feather to his cap by bringing in the raider that spooked the council.

Second, is his effort level, he doesn't want to be here, if we give him a good reason to avoid a fight, he will be predisposed to take it.

Third is our low Rank, it actually may do us a favor here, we obviously didn't overpower our last opponent, so we have some way to hit above our class, and that could be anything, it changes the calculus to this veteran, the best Swordsman doesn't fear the second best, but a man with a gun, as Indiana taught us all so long ago. He will rightly belive he can take us, given that his Evocation advantages him against foes of lower rank, but as we did not beat Vanreir fairly in a contest of strength, he can not KNOW, which will nudge him into excepting our desire to turn coat, after all, he's retired, why take the risk?
 
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Rihaku has stated multiple times that a mixed type EFB would be ideal to complete the temple. Here it is, either of them would be highly synergetic with our build.

Also, Silver would be ideal against Gondar, if we pick it before the fight, because we would be able to no-sell an exoteric effect, and our ago would likely allow us to avoid the rest. Meanwhile Crimson would cripple Avercarn, unless I missread the blurb.
 
Gondar, while not as overwhelming an opponent as Vanreir was at that stage, is still more than capable of killing you. And unlike Vanreir, he doesn't play fair and has no compunctions about killing your companions from ambush first. The latter is not particularly likely, but it is possible. Avecarn on the other hand is not actively hunting you and will approach you openly.
I mean, if he attacks us outside the Temple he's just fucked. He's fighting Hunger, Gisena, and Versch.

Also, Silver would be ideal against Gondar, if we pick it before the fight, because we would be able to no-sell an exoteric effect, and our ago would likely allow us to avoid the rest. Meanwhile Crimson would cripple Avercarn, unless I missread the blurb.
We can't pick Silver before the Gondar fight, unless we randomly get picks.
 
I mean, it seems like the High Marshall is among the best they've got. And his advantage over us is rank. If we can close that gap...


Yes. We've been abusing it heavily.
I thought that was dominion Blood lol. Thanks for the clarification
... Honestly, Gondar sounds like the easiest (combat) encounter here?

Especially because we have Wraith Form. So even if he comes out of nowhere and surprises us and kills us in one hit... it still won't be the end of us.

So he can't one-shot us with a snipe. So we're... good there, I think.

His arrows might have exotic effects, sure. But, if he doesn't know to use them? If he doesn't know that Hunger has a Wraith Form? Then he can't preemptively prevent our undead 1 UP from functioning.
he could shoot Gisena.

Pillars is 7 days at 1/3 strength, though. In our place of power. That can be made into a literal palace of luxury.
The only people who will visit us in Pillars are those who already trust us (or are in our power). Tyrant Mitigation x2 lets us operate in the real world.

Imagine meeting a resurrected Catherine for those two days 😍
 
I mean, if he attacks us outside the Temple he's just fucked. He's fighting Hunger, Gisena, and Versch.


We can't pick Silver before the Gondar fight, unless we randomly get picks.
He's master of attacking from a distance.

He will likely attack from surprise, If he aims for our companions first, they are likely dead. If he aims for us, we have good odds of dying, especially if he uses an poisoned arrow.
 
Everyone who wanted Sublime Transfusion and Ennobling, this is both of those things at the same time! If you want to disable and weaken people with higher Rank than us, this is it. Crimson Flare is safety for us AND our allies AND it's a sizable combat boost. And it's a Rank boost, too.

Any preference regarding themes or mechanics?

Anything's good!
 
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