Ah, I knew we generated enough that buying both Slice Fate and Praxis was viable. Some people are talking about possibly spending seven Arete on magic system right now and that just hurts a bit. Well, it's no reroll, but having a chance to do that is nice as well.
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Notably, we also can just straight up buy Vertex drones apparently, which grants immediate raw power to an option that otherwise would be mostly potential-leaning.
This would be problematic in most scenarios since don't have stuff to pay people with, but... Basically everyone is voting to kill the rotbeast. That takes care of any sort of expense short of actually buying the city, lol.
Rihaku
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If you think about it, both Bloodwraith and Market Day offer critical Tyrant experience that you can't safely get in a lot of other places! There's plenty of time to SORD enemies and plenty of opportunities as well, but unless you can outscale Armaments (not feasible for a long time) you can't safely have major Tyrant procs in the Empire or Republic!
If you're primarily interested in Temple survival, not taking Bloodwraith is nearly indefensible!
You're not killing the Rotbeast, you're just clearing some of its minions! That'll earn you considerable money if one of the top two options in terms of risk occurs, or a mediocre (for Hunger) amount if the bottom option occurs. Of course killing the Rotbeast itself would have netted you far more, but at the risk of not discovering a magic system!
If you're primarily interested in Temple survival, not taking Bloodwraith is nearly indefensible!
You're not killing the Rotbeast, you're just clearing some of its minions! That'll earn you considerable money if one of the top two options in terms of risk occurs, or a mediocre (for Hunger) amount if the bottom option occurs. Of course killing the Rotbeast itself would have netted you far more, but at the risk of not discovering a magic system!
Fortified positions are expensive. Without a thriving economy, they might not be able to fight off Rotbeasts all the time!
Rihaku
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Current vote count?
Hm... I'd say the dichotomy is that a 7-Arete Imaginary Element would provide a lot more of that specific flavor of utility than Vertex could hope to, whereas Vertex is a simple grab-bag that builds slowly over time. They're diametrically opposed systems in almost every way, but the raw power of any Surgecraft option should be kept in mind when comparing costs!
Hm... I'd say the dichotomy is that a 7-Arete Imaginary Element would provide a lot more of that specific flavor of utility than Vertex could hope to, whereas Vertex is a simple grab-bag that builds slowly over time. They're diametrically opposed systems in almost every way, but the raw power of any Surgecraft option should be kept in mind when comparing costs!
50k words omake power. Everyone breaking reserves and trying to write something. Artist posting multiple interesting pictures. Everyone gives their all to get the SORD Praxis equivalent.
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Slice fate gang: Yep, this is totally sustainable and we should have spent 7 arete on a reroll that in our deluded minds is somehow equal to EFB that has infinite potential.
Verdict: Slice fate gang is extremely optimistic.
EDIT: changed from delusional to extremely optimistic, because it delusional is a bit too drastic.
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Since we are fighting the Rotspawns, perhaps we should discuss which tier of them is preferable to us to fight?
I think that +2 picks "Elite Rotbeasts" sounds just about right.
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From a tactical standpoint I realized something. Pillars of Creation may split the vote, minimizing the odds of Cut Through winning at the next pick if by some miracle we reach 25 Arete and have both as options. Is that worth it?
[X] Pursuing Technological Solutions
[X] Bloodwraith [2 Arete]
[X] Vertex
I'm okay with putting off Cut Through until our next pick. It's not immediately necessary, and I think on this occasion I can trust the thread not to get distracted.
When taken with Technological Solutions, Bloodwraith only ends up providing a net of one Letrizia minus, and I'm not a fan of having alternate Forms that don't do anything.
[X] Bloodwraith [2 Arete]
[X] Vertex
I'm okay with putting off Cut Through until our next pick. It's not immediately necessary, and I think on this occasion I can trust the thread not to get distracted.
When taken with Technological Solutions, Bloodwraith only ends up providing a net of one Letrizia minus, and I'm not a fan of having alternate Forms that don't do anything.
I don`t think we have it in us for another omake storm. You alone contributed more than 12k words, so just refrain from doing so now and we are set.
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Vertex
Rihaku
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Technological Solutions can also substantially increase Gisena's power in the Inner Ring by offering her a form of offense that's viable against some enemies types, especially with dispellation! It's potentially a day very well spent...
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The +2 pick Rotbeast fight is the obvious answer, unless you think taking a major complication is worth .5 Arete, and maybe some more money. And marginal XP towards the next pick, perhaps. I don't think it's worth it, with the information given. Not worth aiming for, at least, we might still roll it.
Thinking of money, Hunger might be able to sell bloodhealing services for Vertices, could be worth checking out. That one might be gated behind the market, hm.
Thinking of money, Hunger might be able to sell bloodhealing services for Vertices, could be worth checking out. That one might be gated behind the market, hm.
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Vertex
So, I'm married to Relaxing, it's why we came to this place. Mechanical concerns entirely aside, I want it to get wordcount.
For the same reason, I'm sorely tempted to knock out Studying in favor of Technological solutions. The only reason I hesitate is fear that we might not get another pick or two before we return to the tremendous danger of the temple. That arete is burning a hole in our pockets.
As for Surgecraft and Vertex, I think Vertex is more appealing as a compliment for Verchlengorge, and this is Letrizia's magic system before it's ours. You can store Vertices in equipment, so I figure she can equip them to Gorgey. If she gains access to any stat buffs or utility effects which scale in an advantageous manner for the big guy, that could be a game-changer. If it comes out that Letrizia's Surgecraft would be just as useful to her when piloting, then that might sway me.
If we can certainly pick up Cut Through in another equally or more safe manner before we return to the temple, then I'd be interested in swapping to Technological Solutions over Studying the Blade.
I'm amused that Letrizia is styling this as an undercover reconnaissance mission. What can we do to help? Gisena's surely talented with makeup as she is with anything else, that, hair color, and clothing will suffice for a physical disguise. Maybe Hunger could don his own getup to pose as the doting unbearable father? Perhaps he could coach her in how proper ancient humans behaved in high school? Nevermind, no one should ever think about how people act in high school for any reason. Poor Letrizia! The best thing we can do is pat her on the back when she returns, and make sure to scare the boys to death.
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Vertex
So, I'm married to Relaxing, it's why we came to this place. Mechanical concerns entirely aside, I want it to get wordcount.
For the same reason, I'm sorely tempted to knock out Studying in favor of Technological solutions. The only reason I hesitate is fear that we might not get another pick or two before we return to the tremendous danger of the temple. That arete is burning a hole in our pockets.
As for Surgecraft and Vertex, I think Vertex is more appealing as a compliment for Verchlengorge, and this is Letrizia's magic system before it's ours. You can store Vertices in equipment, so I figure she can equip them to Gorgey. If she gains access to any stat buffs or utility effects which scale in an advantageous manner for the big guy, that could be a game-changer. If it comes out that Letrizia's Surgecraft would be just as useful to her when piloting, then that might sway me.
If we can certainly pick up Cut Through in another equally or more safe manner before we return to the temple, then I'd be interested in swapping to Technological Solutions over Studying the Blade.
I'm amused that Letrizia is styling this as an undercover reconnaissance mission. What can we do to help? Gisena's surely talented with makeup as she is with anything else, that, hair color, and clothing will suffice for a physical disguise. Maybe Hunger could don his own getup to pose as the doting unbearable father? Perhaps he could coach her in how proper ancient humans behaved in high school? Nevermind, no one should ever think about how people act in high school for any reason. Poor Letrizia! The best thing we can do is pat her on the back when she returns, and make sure to scare the boys to death.
Rihaku
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The money might actually be worth it if you guys pick Vertex~
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Thinking of money, Hunger might be able to sell bloodhealing services for Vertices, could be worth checking out. That one might be gated behind the market, hm.[/quote]
Hm... Well, there's plenty of time for underdog options to have their day in the sun! All it takes is a little momentum.
Projectile
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"Undercover," of course. Empire Armament pilots come by every week, there's no way the could spare anyone to keep an eye on all of them.
Rihaku
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Cut Through is an upgrade-type Advancement on Thousand Cuts, so it doesn't take a pick!
ImperatorV
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Agree, we don't want even more complications, and 0.5 Arete is not going to make or break any plans. People seem to be leaning Vertex anyway, which does not require large immediate Arete expenditures.
On an unrelated note, I find myself interested in what a 25 Arete element would even be. It's been stated to offer immense power and scaling, with the 25 point version also being extremely broad. Some kind of "omni-material" element that can do literally anything? Maybe 25-Arete Surgecraft is Unobtainium Bending. Too bad the thread would never go for that, it would be pretty cool. It'll join the ever-growing list of "Cool things the thread couldn't afford to buy in Rihaku quests."
Cut Fate is still a technique of Hunger's swordsmanship and would have likewise been elevated by one step along with the Infinite Singularity Husk. They do not conflict, it wouldn't have become redundant.
...If that is a concern. I am not sure.
And although omakestorm is not sustainable, getting entirely normal 2 arete per update for 3 updates kind of is? Delaying Cut Through sucks and is probably not worth it, but slicegang are not wrong when they say that we theoretically could've bought both relatively soon.
"Delusional" is a very strong word in these circumstances.
Lealope
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How about we tone it down a notch or two, eh?
I think the sheer shininess of the Praxis will carry the day here, especially given our need for immediate power.
Huh. This makes it seem likely that there's more nerdy mage types like the Librarian in the Inner Temple. Given his attitude, I imagine a fair number of them are like that, especially considering Rihaku's earlier comment re: anti-magic and cheese. We should probably plan accordingly; might be worthwhile to try pick up Iridesence/Pearlesence just for the resistance to esoteric bullshit.
Of course, that requires even more S A V I N G
Does Cut Through retain the power upgrade for Fel-Handed Stroke(septuples the power) if it is an upgrade?
Yes you are correct. Extremely optimistic might be a better description
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Projectile
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You're right. Down with the hotsprings gang!
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Market Day [2 Arete]
[X] Vertex
Now I only have to convince people to spend Arete on potentially setting off the Tyrant, this should be easy.
...guys, where'd you go?
We have no definitive statements on both of these magical systems in terms of how valuable they are while piloting.
This makes me somewhat paranoid. This stuff actually being not-useless when Letrz is inside of Versh is, yeah, kind of a really big factor.
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[X] Pursuing Technological Solutions
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Vertex
Technological Solutions gives Gisena the opportunity to pursue an interest that Hunger didn't even know she had. There is a lot of character growth that could be revealed by seeing her "in her element" instead of putting on a mask of excellence like she does in other contexts.
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Vertex
We frequently get +1 pick when we travel from sheer volume of kills, even without noteworthy enemies. Cuts is an upgrade to an already-purchased 7-Arete pick, so I would predict that it behaves like Vanguard and takes 0 additional picks.
Technological Solutions gives Gisena the opportunity to pursue an interest that Hunger didn't even know she had. There is a lot of character growth that could be revealed by seeing her "in her element" instead of putting on a mask of excellence like she does in other contexts.