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[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs

We must unlock Pillars for later buy, it is the only currently known way of actually solving the issue of running out of enemies that actually give us decent picks that Rihaku has warned us about and is likely to rear its head should we actually survive the Endgame Secret Dungeon we stumbled into. It also reduces the hell out of the tyranny of random picks, as we summon whatever enemies we desire. It is also capable of healing major wound complications, additional synergies, etcetera. It is as godlike as Ruling Ring, except there is no omnious blurb abour Primacy.

As for other options, well - I think we can afford 2 arete picks here without threatening Cut Through, but just to be clear, that conflicts with injecting those 2 arete into magical system.

If this was a spend arete option, that could have been problematic, but just pre-unlocking for later, when we'll actually need it is just, umf, "chefkiss"

I am not super-sold on either of magical systems and second action.
 
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Okay, so we can effectively claim we are at 18 arete.

We gain 2 arete an update regularly, so we can afford to expend 2 here if we really want to.

But we are going to need Arete for Surgecraft, so we probably Do Not Want to Spend Arete at this juncture.
 
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Surgecraft

We can get Cut trough in the next update. We made 9 arete in one update. What the actual hell.
 
[X] Pursuing Technological Solutions
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Surgecraft

Yes.
We relax, and find a way to create CHILL ZONE, then we find a way to channel sheer hunger, devouring everything in our way.
We chill grey goo then.
 
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Prospalz said:
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs

We must unlock Pillars for later buy, it is the only currently known way of actually solving the issue of running out of enemies that actually give us decent picks that Rihaku has warned us about and is likely to rear its head should we actually survive the Endgame Secret Dungeon we stumbled into. It also reduces the hell out of the tyranny of random picks, as we summon whatever enemies we desire. It is also capable of healing major wound complications, additional synergies, etcetera.
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I think that's actually Gardener, I believe there was a limit to how many useful fights Pillars would provide.
 
Any of the three non-Arete actions are amenable to me. Not just because we're close to Cut Through, but because -Letrizia is bad, and risking Tyrant proc even MORE is worse.

Ideally, I would like to take Surgecraft. A few reasons why:
  • We will need Arete for both Surgecraft and Vertex, since Vertex requires either the expenditure of picks or Arete to overcome the costs of expenditure.
  • Surgecraft will probably synergize with our high Willpower and determination.
  • Surgecraft will probably synergize with Ring of Power and its relationship with Passion and emotion.
  • We learn more about Hunger.
  • Surgecraft has conceptual effects that may scale up in usefulness over time.
  • Gisena nullifies Vertex, thus Surgecraft is more likely to be useful in conjunction with Nullity tactics (especially in the Temple).
  • Imaginary elements are cool.
 
Guys, we get 2 picks! Make sure to select a second.

I think everyone agrees the first should be hotsprings time.

LordOfMurder said:
I think that's actually Gardener, I believe there was a limit to how many useful fights Pillars would provide.
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No, Rihaku was quite clear.

Rihaku said:
It simply is the case that picks are finite, especially safe picks, without something like Pillars, and even with Pillars you're still rate-limited on picks per month.
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What's limited is how many Huntress' Moon opponents Pillars can provide before it starts losing effectiveness. The curses resist alternate forms of mitigation eventually. Hunger's growth does not, and since Pillars grows with him it mains the ability to summon peer-level enemies.
 
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Interesting. Vertex offers many more of the capabilities of an actual magic system, and yet people are going for Surgecraft? To get a truly versatile element you'll likely need to spend Arete, I thought you were trying to budget? Whereas with Vertex you can receive some notable benefits just by being initiated and buying some buffing Vertices.

And, while Surgecraft can be extremely powerful when circumstance is in its favor, that same variability is a source of unreliability. Whether that's a critical weakness or not depends on your Element...

Given that you are going for Cut Through, which is not a pure power-type EFB equivalent, it would be helpful to your chances in the Temple if you took Bloodwraith. Doubling your HP is no small benefit. It's a cheap and efficient way to get blood access for Second Stage and Hunger may not have this revelation elsewhere. Furthermore, it's aesthetically pleasing for Second Stage to be more than a vestigial organ of an Advancement.
 
[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Pursuing Technological Solutions
[X] Vertex
Not sure how their Hot Springs are operational when their civilization is under threat, but I'm not complaining.
 
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[X] Relaxing at the Hot Springs
[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Surgecraft

We can try to fight mundane Rotspawn and when another type appears ran away immediately. Remember people, we just need one pick and 0.3 Arete. We can do this. Please do not be tempted by the 2 arete options. I do not care about arguments that we can create it with discusion. Pick EFB first, small shiny stuff later.
 
Anyway if we take Studying the Blade we also have to decide which fight to take. We should go for the primary Rotspawn! That way it makes acquiring Cut Through more epic!
 
Aw, no Letrizia High-school hijinks! I'm sad.

[X] Studying the Blade
[X] Pursuing Technological Solutions
[X] Surgecraft

Studying the Blade so we can get Cut Through right away. It's even in the options name! We need to target whatever has the most chance of getting it.

Technological Solutions is just so we can upgrade Gisena, she deserves something good too.

If we make two Arete per update, we can afford to spend two Arete on a better Surgecraft element. But that requires not spending anythings now. We can do this.
 
LordOfMurder said:
I think that's actually Gardener, I believe there was a limit to how many useful fights Pillars would provide.
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No, Although Gardener had absolutely crazy synergies with it I believe. Which means that we probably should kill a monster with Gardener inside of it, first thing first. :V

Rihaku said:
Mm, you guys shouldn't think of these one-pick build votes in the context of "what do we need to fight right now." It simply is the case that picks are finite, especially safe picks, without something like Pillars, and even with Pillars you're still rate-limited on picks per month.
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Anyway, now that i recovered from makig 8.2 arete in one update, surgecraft seems to be the most synergetic with our previous options, and something that can be useful without arete expenditure, even if not truly great. Vortex is far more useful for Letrizia.

If we grab it, probably best for us to leave her to do vortexes that we can deploy in difficult situations, but considering that she already suffered from devastator's, i don't think it's a good ideia to give her something that sheds even more lifespan away.
 
Rihaku said:
Interesting. Vertex offers many more of the capabilities of an actual magic system, and yet people are going for Surgecraft? To get a truly versatile element you'll likely need to spend Arete, I thought you were trying to budget?
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We reached our budget (okay, we're .3 shy). Now we just need to generate enough arete to pay for whatever we buy with surgecraft before we make that choice. Which gives us a minimum of 2 selection periods and a very-determined thread who are going to keep our arete above 18 no matter how many limbs we have to cut off to do it.

At standard generation rates this gives us ~4 arete to play with. So... Not too bad. We just saw we can generate more than 7 in a single update with sufficient willpower and determination. And we have two updates to work with.
 
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Does this count as a major vote update? Because if not:

Rihaku said:
Oh, note also that the Arete bonus for discussion increases as the number of posts within the span of a given major update goes up (vote consolidations and non-major vote updates don't truncate your progress, but major votes like Jotunheim / Elysium would). So you get considerably more for your last marginal post than your first, etc.
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I know we've done an incredible amount already but this is a prime opportunity to grasp even more Arete since our activity bonuses haven't reset just yet. Keep speculating, keep creating, keep arguing. With sufficient activity, we could afford to grab a powerful element with Surgecraft or maybe take some other Arete options.
 
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