The idea that we will only take blood options is not correct at all. There are plenty of options that have synergy with Quickening + Thousand cuts that don't cost arete! Like Ruinous Valor or ever faithful Echo of Forebear!

We can try saving our arete for Dominion and further at that point since now that we will have an attack scaling with our absurd stats and pick only options that have synergy with Q+TC, we can afford to focus on the Ring.
Well we'd have to at the very least take the blood enhancement option to remove the two week debuff. Given Quickening is only so powerful because of the +progression boosting it I think there's definitely going to be voters more tempted to take the more powerful options the ring of blood offers then gamble on ruling ring options paying off.
 
Honestly, a large part of why I'm voting for Saint is that I'm not sure when we'll ever take Gisena buffs if we don't take them now. I truly think that's important, especially when there have been several warning signs slipped into recent chapters indicating Gisena could soon fall off in effectiveness. This is a problem, because Gisena needs to stay relevant:

I truly think that Gisena is a force multiplier better than even the absurd buffs of Bloodslayer. Bloodslayer provides overwhelming might, but does relatively little to buttress us against esoteric effects that bypass our defenses or seek to inflict debuffs upon us.

And importantly, esoteric effects have been what have brought us closest to losing both the Magus fight, and the golden archer fight.

Gisena is a defensive buff that protects against such problems, and an offensive buff by helping us determine where to strike. And that's not even considering the as-of-yet unknown effects of her Sorcerous Advancement (was that the name?)

When we started this character, we voted to take a companion along as a Lesser Remittance. Gisena is a part of our build, an important part of our progression, and likely a key part of our emotional narrative as well. She is not an extra "exp dump". Her power is our power. Don't let her power fade relative to the scaling of the quest, lest she become irrelevant or worse - dead.
The idea we won't take Gisena's buff is weird. We voted for her option two times in a row. She's also the one who can provide us with further curse mitigation. If anything, I am worried we will ignore other companion in her favour.

And, Blood also opens up avenue to further buff her, one which might be more efficient at doing so because of +progression.
 
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Hmm, Bloodslayer may yet be a prelude to FISHER KING!

Blood option for SYNERGY, and with the safety of Bloodslayer, the option may yet make it's return!
 
Ruling Ring may give us a chance of enabling the civilians to keep some measure of their civilization without torturing the ring depending on the mechanism and if we can give it to one of them.
 
Honestly, if people are worried about Gisena falling behind so much than vote for the option that takes us one step closer to the Moon Ring through overwhelming power! We can simply give her the Ring!

Hmm, Bloodslayer may yet be a prelude to FISHER KING!

Blood option for SYNERGY, and with the safety of Bloodslayer, the option may yet make it's return!


Fuck, yes. Fisher King + Ring of Blood + Accretion + SORD for the win! Such synergy and thematic coherence!
 
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The idea we won't take Gisena's buff is weird. We voted for her option two times in a row. She's also the one who can provide us with further curse mitigation. If anything, I am worried we will ignore other companion in her favour.

And, Blood also opens up avenue to further buff her, one which might be more efficient at doing so because of +progression.
We've skipped Vanguard something like 4 or 5 times now. We finally voted to unlock Gisena buffs and in the update they're offered you're telling me we should vote for something else and that surely we'll pick some up later?
 
We've skipped Vanguard something like 4 or 5 times now. We finally voted to unlock Gisena buffs and in the update they're offered you're telling me we should vote for something else and that surely we'll pick some up later?

Yeah I just caught up to the quest yesterday, and I had a very stark look at how many updates in a row we totally ignored Vanguard.
 
Yeah I just caught up to the quest yesterday, and I had a very stark look at how many updates in a row we totally ignored Vanguard.
We also skipped the first option given to work towards unlocking her advancement and skipped picking retinue at the start which would have scaled her with us automatically!
Honestly, if people are worried about Gisena falling behind so much than vote for the option that takes us one step closer to the Moon Ring through overwhelming power! We can simply give her the Ring!
If people are worried about Gisena falling behind why wouldn't they just vote for the option that buffs Gisena while still providing us with plenty of combat power? It's not like taking Gown stops us from giving her the moon ring later anyway. Evening Sky options even have Moon themes so maybe there's some relation there?
Hmm, Bloodslayer may yet be a prelude to FISHER KING!

Blood option for SYNERGY, and with the safety of Bloodslayer, the option may yet make it's return!
Chief dominion blood suppresses the domain of Life which was good for Fisher King and plants don't have blood, so isn't there anti-synergy for people hoping for Fisher King?
 
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We've skipped Vanguard something like 4 or 5 times now. We finally voted to unlock Gisena buffs and in the update they're offered you're telling me we should vote for something else and that surely we'll pick some up later?
Except we already buffed her with the Blood! There's too many reasons to vote for Gisena's buff for it to not win more!

What I love about Blood buffing is that we can do that to our other companions too!
We also skipped the first option given to work towards unlocking her advancement and skipped picking retinue at the start which would have scaled her with us automatically!
If people are worried about Gisena falling behind why wouldn't they just vote for the option that buffs Gisena while still providing us with plenty of combat power? It's not like taking Gown stops us from giving her the moon ring later anyway. Evening Sky options even have Moon themes so maybe there's some relation there?
Chief dominion blood suppresses the domain of Life which was good for Fisher King and plants don't have blood, so isn't there anti-synergy for people hoping for Fisher King?
Actually, there is more synergy with blood domain than life! You should read the fluff!

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[ ] The Ring of Power - Gardener's Hallow (7 Arete, 2 picks) - Unto this land, I give my blood.

By infusing vegetation or livestock with his blood, the wielder may impart upon it supernatural properties. These range from the basic (consuming this fruit grants you an Echo of the Forebear) to the incredible (consuming this cow awakens your full Astral Rank from your Defensive Rank and remove the Defensive Rank penalty) to the spectacular (consuming this fish ignites a meta-singularity of findross within you; should you survive then you may theoretically wield the True Quintessence). Similar effects don't stack.
 
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Hmm... So, a thought occurs. In fantasy universes, it's fairly common to have a form of magic that is passed down via bloodlines. D&D/Pathfinder Sorcerers being one of the more notable examples. I wonder if we pursued the blood-upgrade tech tree if we could get or create new magic systems that manifest via bloodlines? An alternate source of mage-builds, with the benefit of +Progression...

I'm still voting for Heedless War because P A C T and as part of my master plan to get Ruling Ring and then try to rally all the RING voters behind me to vote for a mage-type build, but in the eternal pursuit of magic alternative options should be considered.
 
Except we already buffed her with the Blood! There's too many reasons to vote for Gisena's buff for it to not win more!
That was just one of the passive effects of taking Blood as our Chief Dominion, taking that option and the one after it unlocked Gown as a choice this update which properly buffs Gisena by proccing her Sorcerous breakthrough. It also gives Gisena her own copy of Evening Sky so we'll be wearing matching outfits!

Hmm... So, a thought occurs. In fantasy universes, it's fairly common to have a form of magic that is passed down via bloodlines. D&D/Pathfinder Sorcerers being one of the more notable examples. I wonder if we pursued the blood-upgrade tech tree if we could get or create new magic systems that manifest via bloodlines? An alternate source of mage-builds, with the benefit of +Progression...
I think that's already part of what chief dominion lets us do. At the very least we can create a super human race given time.
 
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Hunger actually doesn't know if the anti-synergy can be fixed. Even if it can it won't be in the next few updates and will likely cost us in arete and picks essentially meaning we'd have to pay for our forms twice!
I mean, we do want to eventually make our Forms compatible with Blood and the cost of paying them to carry our base stats is well worth it in my opinion.
 
That was just one of the passive effects of taking Blood as our Chief Dominion, taking that option and the one after it unlocked Gown as a choice this update which properly buffs Gisena by proccing her Sorcerous breakthrough. It also gives Gisena her own copy of Evening Sky so we'll be wearing matching outfits!

I think that's already part of what chief dominion lets us do. At the very least we can create a super human race given time.
It can be decorporated though! Better to vote for something that is harder to break like awesome blood! Ring magic has higher "conceptual" strenght than the alternatives so it's harder to remove!
 
I mean, we do want to eventually make our Forms compatible with Blood and the cost of paying them to carry our base stats is well worth it in my opinion.
If we get ruling ring, ring of bloods effects get folded into it I'm pretty sure, so we could just not take the anti-synergy choice now and then not have to pay extra arete to keep our forms working with an effect that's only a stepping stone.

It can be decorporated though! Better to vote for something that is harder to break like awesome blood!
I don't think that's ever happened to us before though! It's already very hard to break!
 
I think that's already part of what chief dominion lets us do. At the very least we can create a super human race given time.

I meant actual magic systems, not generic super-soldier types. There's a difference between someone with super physical, mental, and social attributes and someone who can cast spells. I like mages, and spells are generally better then super attributes baring truly ridiculous super attributes or extremely anemic spells.
 
I meant actual magic systems, not generic super-soldier types. There's a difference between someone with super physical, mental, and social attributes and someone who can cast spells. I like mages, and spells are generally better then super attributes baring truly ridiculous super attributes or extremely anemic spells.
The example given by Rihaku was the Numenorean's from Lord of the Rings who I think could also use magic?
 
If we get ruling ring, ring of bloods effects get folded into it I'm pretty sure, so we could just not take the anti-synergy choice now and then not have to pay extra arete to keep our forms working with an effect that's only a stepping stone.

I don't think that's ever happened to us before though! It's already very hard to break!
We have been here for less than two weeks! We haven't seen anything! If we are going to find someone capable of doing that, it will be deeper in the temple! It's an weak spot I would rather not have!
 
If we get ruling ring, ring of bloods effects get folded into it I'm pretty sure, so we could just not take the anti-synergy choice now and then not have to pay extra arete to keep our forms working with an effect that's only a stepping stone.
*You can trade all three Dominions, both Pre-eminencies, and Chief Dominion for [Ruling Ring], allowing you to buy it piecemeal at an effective 2 Arete surcharge. Primacy may be uncontested if no other Ruling Rings exist.
Yeah we trade in all the other Ring options to obtain Ruling Ring so we lose the blood specific effects I guess? We trade the bonuses of the other ring options for ++progression ++all stats and boosted reality warping with ring of power. Since none of those affects are limited to forms with blood I'd rather not go down the blood route if we're planning on taking Ruling Ring anyway.

We have been here for less than two weeks! We haven't seen anything! If we are going to find someone capable of doing that, it will be deeper in the temple! It's an weak spot I would rather not have!
It's less of a weak spot than not having access to our other forms is for Quickening! We can reliably enter our second form without the cloak discorporating so we still benefit from having an extra form at our full power.
 
Do fish count as livestock?

Yes, in fact fish was used as a specific example.

By infusing vegetation or livestock with his blood, the wielder may impart upon it supernatural properties. These range from the basic (consuming this fruit grants you an Echo of the Forebear) to the incredible (consuming this cow awakens your full Astral Rank from your Defensive Rank and remove the Defensive Rank penalty) to the spectacular (consuming this fish ignites a meta-singularity of findross within you; should you survive then you may theoretically wield the True Quintessence). Similar effects don't stack.

Also, the build that included Gardner's Hallow was called Fisher King, which is a great multi-level pun and reference to the infamous fishing vote. We could have made this Gardening and Fishing quest, but no, it's not enough immediate power.
 
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Heedless war voters, having fallen behind considerably in votes would you consider consolidating behind Star-Blade Saint? With it explicitly being the safest build even while taking exhaustion, it's debuff wears off more quickly and we have no need to spend arete or picks mitigating it like Bloodslayer will. Saint is also fairly self contained, getting everything it needs from just this vote while Bloodslayer opens up more Blood related options further diverting Arete that could be used to purchase Ruling Ring. It's plus to CHA means it's also more adept at gathering support from the encampment allowing us to both stall for more arete and gather party members making it more palatable to take low immediate power options like the Ring components.
 
Gisena Gang: Consider Speak with Gisena!

Interesting that Star-Blade Saint has such a massive lead compared to Speak with Gisena.
It's because Letrizia has an interaction option here too.

Like, I'm on Team Gisena, though as a heterodox variant version. But Letrizia is still a good person who deserves to be treated well, and she's already "doth protest too much" about feeling lonely out here while we go into the Temple over and over. So I want to at least talk to her, y'know?

Except we already buffed her with the Blood! There's too many reasons to vote for Gisena's buff for it to not win more!
The blood-thing is primarily a Hunger buff. The Gisena-buffing effect was always a side effect.
 
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Heedless war voters, having fallen behind considerably in votes would you consider consolidating behind Star-Blade Saint? With it explicitly being the safest build even while taking exhaustion, it's debuff wears off more quickly and we have no need to spend arete or picks mitigating it like Bloodslayer will. Saint is also fairly self contained, getting everything it needs from just this vote while Bloodslayer opens up more Blood related options further diverting Arete that could be used to purchase Ruling Ring. It's plus to CHA means it's also more adept at gathering support from the encampment allowing us to both stall for more arete and gather party members making it more palatable to take low immediate power options like the Ring components.
That's not true at all. The increase in power that Quickening + Cut provides alongside no arete option of Ruinous Valor in the future means that we will actually be powerful enough to be capable of saving for the Ring. It's explicitly the most powerful option here and it has excellent scaling and synergy with no arete picks.

Greater power means more security which means actually giving us the ability to go for potential types.
 
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