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- Omniverse #1345
The fish thing is what broke me. I was willing to spend arete recklessly and then we go and get a massive condition because people wanted to vote for the amusing option.
A Simple Transaction I
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OctarineShrike
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@Byzantine @BrainInAJar I am very, very tempted to put 2 markers with 1 Veto each up on offer right now for Azure Moon+2 options votes. In exchange for 1 Marker with 1 veto from each of you in exchange, I will add Pillars of Creation and Sleep In to my request, incumbent on you only if my markers are taken, are you interested? Best case scenario you're getting 2 votes for the price of one.
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What I'm off put by is the idea that (Is this arete for guaranteed availability thing a trap?) is a question that can't be answered satisfactorily without mind reading; will Rihaku slot things around quickly enough that you'd basically have access to spare, or will the cups spin to the exact tune such that we'll only see EFB equivalents when we're at 18.4 arete in a one day gap between chapters? Not to mention the proportion of upgrades likely to disappear permanently is similarly unknown.
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[X] Sleep In
[X] [Pillars of Creation]
Both our Progression and Decimator Mitigation are based on killing challenging enemies. Pillars of Creation provides us with the perfect arena to do so, on the perfect schedule to keep the Mitigation running, while cutting off a third of our greatest combat weakness (sleepiness penalties) while providing us with enemies of the our preferred challenge level and with healing and refreshments between bouts. Even if we're not planning to grab it right now, spending 1 Arete to reserve the option to do so at a later date is worth it so that we'll have it for when we're fully recovered and need to training montage the shit out of ourselves.
[X] [Pillars of Creation]
Both our Progression and Decimator Mitigation are based on killing challenging enemies. Pillars of Creation provides us with the perfect arena to do so, on the perfect schedule to keep the Mitigation running, while cutting off a third of our greatest combat weakness (sleepiness penalties) while providing us with enemies of the our preferred challenge level and with healing and refreshments between bouts. Even if we're not planning to grab it right now, spending 1 Arete to reserve the option to do so at a later date is worth it so that we'll have it for when we're fully recovered and need to training montage the shit out of ourselves.
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- Pindorama
You know what? I'm in. I think Pillars winning is more important than anything else anyway. You up @Byzantine ?
[X] Conjured Blade
You misunderstand. I don't care for it, not after the watershed from seeing it the first time passed. I'm just under no illusion its timing and sheer get-out-of-jail appeal won't make it super popular regardless of my opinion.
I voted for the ones I want. It's the Robot/Research/Sleep In vote I'm willing to swing on.
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- Omniverse #1345
...I'll agree. Though be aware my plan is to call in for either Maw or Cuts next chance we get. Whichever is *not* on the winning plan. That way we get both before they vanish and we lose that powerful synergy.
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- Location
- USA
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- He/Him
[X] Sleep In
[X] Save 3 Options
[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
[X] [Pitiless Maw]
[X] [Pillars of Creation]
Firstly, we must sleep in to survive the day and pay for our hubris.
Then, I propose we save 3 options, two of which are 7 cost, so we can secure synergy between our picks without overly delaying the next 7 Arete choice and so our total plan cost stays at something I think we can achieve. 39 is more manageable than 57.
The goal here is to follow up on picks like Huntress and Crown with a fleshed out combat build that has excellent burst power and endurance. We'll use these two synergistic 7 Arete options to hunt Sated targets then later use them in the realm of Evening to hunt worthy opponents.
From there our bountiful Experience and Decimator mitigation will lend us the agency we need for our mission and to enjoy exploring the setting with our companions.
[X] Save 3 Options
[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
[X] [Pitiless Maw]
[X] [Pillars of Creation]
Firstly, we must sleep in to survive the day and pay for our hubris.
Then, I propose we save 3 options, two of which are 7 cost, so we can secure synergy between our picks without overly delaying the next 7 Arete choice and so our total plan cost stays at something I think we can achieve. 39 is more manageable than 57.
The goal here is to follow up on picks like Huntress and Crown with a fleshed out combat build that has excellent burst power and endurance. We'll use these two synergistic 7 Arete options to hunt Sated targets then later use them in the realm of Evening to hunt worthy opponents.
From there our bountiful Experience and Decimator mitigation will lend us the agency we need for our mission and to enjoy exploring the setting with our companions.
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OctarineShrike
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To confirm since I'm not sure what you think the terms of this offer is, as I understand it right now you're just offering to join me of your own free will. I offer to owe 2 people in exchange for them joining me in Azure Moon, you each owe me a vote if I include pillars of creation/sleep in my marker offering and people take it.
Rihaku
The Internet
Yup! It was pretty funny.
The way it works is: there is a model of the world which responds to the actions of Hunger. The model does not level scale whatsoever, so for example - if you are attacked by a group of enemies which the model says should attack you, there will be no accounting for your Exhausted Condition making you weaker than usual. Similarly, if you are powerful enough to just dumpster the opposition (such as, for example, Nameless vs the Fates), that is what will happen.
Similarly with access to any Arete purchase conditions, though I may stretch things out so that you have more time to accrue Arete for a given purchase if I feel the thread both wants that purchase and is making a good effort.
Pillars is great, but I do think you guys are sleeping on the 7 Arete options in general a bit. It's more viable for Hunger to go for a 25 Arete than for Nameless to go directly for an EFB since Hunger has Experience as well, but play style has been reckless so far so it may not be wise.
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- Omniverse #1345
That was not my understanding at all. I apparently read it backwards then.
[X] Sleep In
[X] Save 3 Options
[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
[X] [Pitiless Maw]
[X] [Pillars of Creation]
For anyone reading: My plan for the day is to spend every option we have where rest is an option resting. I want exhausted entirely gone before the next Apocryphal proc. That means starting now and running with it before our fish vote kills us. We got our shiny, now please let us nurse our wounds (condition) as is appropriate.
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- Pindorama
Yes, that's my request. Again, Pillar winning is more important than anything. I'm just consolidating the vote for better odds.
Hey, you all think that Maw plus Cuts is super strong because it gets us healing and multiplies the power of our strikes? Guess what, Seals can also do that, and also a billion different things. We know from past votes it has combat uses too; so as long as we put an initial investment in learning the basics it can benefit from Hunger too. Training is bad only compared to Hunger-boosted progression, we still are roughly equivalent to a normal person when it comes to training. And we have high intelligence and guaranteed talent for it to boot. So that initial start-up cost is far from bad. Let's put our intelligence and preparation to use!
OctarineShrike
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For the sake of my curiosity what did you think I was offering?
Very well, I'm going to put my markers offering up soon once I make sure of what Byzantine does or doesn't want.
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- Omniverse #1345
That I was being offered a marker. I'm not willing to take Azure Moon for free. I'm at best on the fence about its value to us.
OctarineShrike
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Ok then. In that case my marker offerings are open(I'm offering 2 with 1 veto each), tag me with your voting options being a 3 option setup containing Azure Moon and Pillars of Creation to Claim. Markers are as always on a first come first serve basis(Edit: For invoking in future votes).
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Lealope
Not yet invincible
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[X] Sleep In
Enough greed, I don't want to die.
[X] Save 1 Option
Spending 5 Arete for the long term when we don't even have a guarantee of surviving to the city is absolutely pointless, especially since there's absolutely no way we're getting enough to buy all of them, not till the quest is already over. There will be other options. Best pick the one that you feel is truly irreplaceable right now. If mitigation is your priority, then you'd probably go with the Pillars of Creation since there's no promise we'll get those guaranteed targets again. If you think ++Progression isn't going to show up after this, Ruling Ring is your best bet.
[X] [Once And Future]
Meanwhile, I think this is probably our only real shot at getting some information on the Hidden Ones within the scope of this quest. That this is also the option that raises our godstat is even better because it means the value scales hyperexponentially the stronger we get. Also, a +2 Rank for all military endeavours means we'll probably steamroll most armies in our conquest.
Enough greed, I don't want to die.
[X] Save 1 Option
Spending 5 Arete for the long term when we don't even have a guarantee of surviving to the city is absolutely pointless, especially since there's absolutely no way we're getting enough to buy all of them, not till the quest is already over. There will be other options. Best pick the one that you feel is truly irreplaceable right now. If mitigation is your priority, then you'd probably go with the Pillars of Creation since there's no promise we'll get those guaranteed targets again. If you think ++Progression isn't going to show up after this, Ruling Ring is your best bet.
[X] [Once And Future]
Meanwhile, I think this is probably our only real shot at getting some information on the Hidden Ones within the scope of this quest. That this is also the option that raises our godstat is even better because it means the value scales hyperexponentially the stronger we get. Also, a +2 Rank for all military endeavours means we'll probably steamroll most armies in our conquest.
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LordOfMurder
Bhaal
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- Australia
I think pillars is the worst of the 25 arete options. It's nice to have but doesn't offer us long term growth like the two extra magic systems or immediate power like the ring and blade options. It's just quality of life.
Azure is nice and sealing would be a good magic system if we hadn't taken hunger. Anything that requires heavy out of combat study to use is massively anti-synergistic with our build. Plus it's effects are pretty much wholly encapsulated by Total Eclipse which also offers a bunch of feats seals can't replicate. Additionally I don't really like homestuck and I hate the four suit romance system.
Total Eclipse is so versatile that while it might not be able to perfectly match the power of pillars or azure it can provide graces that replicate most of the effects and more importantly doesn't need to be studied so we can increase our proficiency in it through hunger procs.
Sleep in still seems kind of pointless given we have to still sleep for most of a whole day to recover anyway. Better to use our time to do something now and take a day off afterwards.
Azure is nice and sealing would be a good magic system if we hadn't taken hunger. Anything that requires heavy out of combat study to use is massively anti-synergistic with our build. Plus it's effects are pretty much wholly encapsulated by Total Eclipse which also offers a bunch of feats seals can't replicate. Additionally I don't really like homestuck and I hate the four suit romance system.
Total Eclipse is so versatile that while it might not be able to perfectly match the power of pillars or azure it can provide graces that replicate most of the effects and more importantly doesn't need to be studied so we can increase our proficiency in it through hunger procs.
Sleep in still seems kind of pointless given we have to still sleep for most of a whole day to recover anyway. Better to use our time to do something now and take a day off afterwards.
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- USA
I fail to see what makes Pillar so good. Do we really need a 25 Arete option to help us Sate Hunger when we literally just took a Curse Mitigation that should make that much easier to do in reality?
It's versatile, I see that. And it lets us get a mini vacation.
Total Eclipse is very interesting to me. I do like it in my build as it let's us transition from Warrior to Warrior/Mage, and we know the Graces give a lot of physical benefits so it should make for a better Warrior.
It's just really hard for me to give up ++Prog.
It's versatile, I see that. And it lets us get a mini vacation.
Total Eclipse is very interesting to me. I do like it in my build as it let's us transition from Warrior to Warrior/Mage, and we know the Graces give a lot of physical benefits so it should make for a better Warrior.
It's just really hard for me to give up ++Prog.
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- Omniverse #1345
@Box Lunch: for the love all that is holy can you please change your votes to be in line with the format of the more common ones?
@Rihaku: Can you just... remove the X's from the post where you recorded the winning votes from last time?
edit: This post, specifically
I want to not take 15 minutes to actually read this damn it.
@Rihaku: Can you just... remove the X's from the post where you recorded the winning votes from last time?
edit: This post, specifically
I want to not take 15 minutes to actually read this damn it.
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- Pindorama
Synergies between magic systems are really goddamn good you guys; Pitiless Maw doesn't even compare. It front loads power when, must I remind you, we can only pick it when we have already won another fight; it provides zero help right now. Meanwhile, a whole new system of progression for just 7 Arete is steal. It's extremely doable compared to any other long term option and therefore way safer. It can provide everything Maw does and much more with just a little investment.
Sealing can be used in combat, so it still benefits from Hunger as long as we make an initial investment of time. It's also less then trice the price of Eclipse, and True Quintessence has basically the same problem of not being being able to train it safely. It's just so much more bang for buck.
It is exactly because we took Huntress' Moon that Pillars can offer Hunt targets; it's synergy, not redundancy. We also would not need to wast any time hunting nor worry much about Apocryphal inside. We'd also be able to heal immediately with what the Realm provides. It's really, really good for mitigation, is what I'm saying.
OctarineShrike
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Pillars gives us guilt free targets. Remember how Rihaku mentioned that some of our targets may just be... prominent artists who have probably done nothing to deserve us coming after them?