Such a swing in Gisena's favor - it makes my Arete-hungry heart sad. This time we aren't even being offered an actual scene of interaction with her, or a juicy mystery box - just a cheap, meaningless plus. Wouldn't and better to reserve our voting power for claiming actual scenes with Gisena, and grab the free Arete now instead?
 
Take care that you do not deposit recklessly into too many high-Arete effects.
Don't tell me what to do! (Post to preserve color formatting in tallies)

[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
[X] [Iron Curtain]
[X] [Once And Future]
[X] [Pitiless Maw]

[X] [Dead But Dreaming]
[X] [Ruling Ring]

[X] [Azure Moon]
[X] Total Eclipse
[X] [Pillars of Creation]

[X] Finally Get in the Robot
[X] Research the Spoils
[X] Sleep In
[X] Brunch
 
[ ] Total Eclipse - 25 Arete. The numinous time of sacred transfixion. Night sweeps field and horizon in a thundering advance, soft halo of the blinkered sun the residue of day. Twilight's orphaned half-brother, cast aside on the eve of creation and trotted out only for spectacle and occasion. No longer, for the flare of your cloak is this twilight pretender, the liminal glow that precludes day and evening both. Unlocks the [True Quintessence], by which She Who Was The Maiden attained supremacy over the Manifest Realm, and for which the Maiden's successors might one day be anointed.

This seems to be a pretty direct nod to the Maiden mentioned in AST!
 
[X] Finally Get in the Robot
[X] Plan Punch Up
-[X] Save 3 Options
-[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
-[X] [Pitiless Maw]
-[X] [Ruling Ring]

A simple plan, use the early synergy of Thousand cuts and Pitiless maw to make a strong melee build that heals and can Felling Strike to alpha high powered enemies. Ultimately get Ruling Ring to fuel greater growth and give stats for the build.
 
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Hmm, now to actually vote

[X] Sleep In
Yes, we need to handle our curse, but it's currently suppressed and our crippling weakness is more important right now

[X] Total Eclipse
[X] [Pillars of Creation]

I'm going to punt on the question of how many options to save up for, but these two seem actually important. The first will let us advance Gisena, the second has the noted benefits towards Decimator's mitigation (at least for a time).

I question to some degree just how good unlocking new magic systems is for us, since it will presumably take more Arete to get the really good stuff out of them though.
 
[X] Research the Spoils - The pearl, the message, and the scale. Gisena's work is good, but you have your own perspective to add, the insight made possible through long experience and formidable Astral Rank. Though the latter has been somewhat depleted, hampering your efforts on every front, nonetheless it is critical to absorb or acquire whatever strength you can from the fish you spent so dearly to conquer. [+???]
[X] Save 3 Options
[X] [Pitiless Maw]
[X] [A Thousand Cuts]

[X] Total Eclipse

Here's my first opinion on choices this time. Research the spoils because this is the third option in a row devoted purely to seeing what the fish has. This fish had damn well better have something good after needing this many options to find out what it is! I could be easily swayed to brunch for the +Gisena though.

Saving for Pitiless maw because 100% lifeleech is hilariously broken even if it only applies to melee attacks. Especially when combined with A thousand cuts which has incredible synergy with it and is also good for killing tough huntress procs.

I'd also like to save for one of the 25 arete options but I was torn between ruling ring, pillars of creation and total eclipse. But then I realised that total eclipse is the solution to powering up Gisena's sorceress levels and it became the obvious pick.

So that's three saved options in total two 7's and a 25. This is going to take a while to pay off. Damn you Rihaku for writing so many enticing blurbs!
 
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[X] Sleep In

I'll consider the options carefully.

I'd like to see the full effect of the 2 Arete Ring of Blood's healing before I consider Pitiless Maw. Though it is quite the powerful healing effect. It's the kind of thing I'd kill for in most games.
 
[X] Finally Get in the Robot
[X] Save 3 Options
[X] [Pitiless Maw]
[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
[X] Total Eclipse


Actually upon more careful reading of the blurbs I'm choosing to get in the robot to make sure we're not murdering everyone with the decimation at twice the rate.

Total Eclipse sounds ludicriously strong given it gives us the same power as the maiden which means we could obtain every power a sorceress has had. Presumably we'll also be able to generate and manipulate findross allowing Gisena to coalesce.

Which means we can get eye lasers! Truly the dream.
 
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[X] Sleep In

It's between this and robot for me, I went with this because I feel like while only a narrow subset of cases will really have much difference between Mostly and Full exhaustion it's still worth it to rasie the odds a bit. A pity because ignoring the mitigation once again is probaby going to do us no favors but what can you do. We'll also just have to trust Gisena to find anything immediately pertinent to us unfortunately.

[X] Save 1 Option

I'm not at all inclined to try any sort of long term dumping strategies, as a Progression type there'll always be advancements available, even if they might not be exactly as shiny. The key is making fast conversions to compound. So invest in one 7 Arete version and the turnaround could be very soon.

[X] [A Thousand Cuts]

Maw was also very tempting, but this is basically perfect for our build. We've got the defense already to slow down the mooks, now bring in the killing power to punch up and grow fast.
 
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I'm going to punt on the question of how many options to save up for, but these two seem actually important. The first will let us advance Gisena, the second has the noted benefits towards Decimator's mitigation (at least for a time).

The secret of the Maidengrace is not only useful for empowering Gisena, nor is unlocking it the only way to empower her. If there can be a Sorcerer Eternal, then why not a distaff counterpart of the Maiden herself?

Too bad our hero's not a virgin.

I'd like to see the full effect of the 2 Arete Ring of Blood's healing before I consider Pitiless Maw. Though it is quite the powerful healing effect. It's the kind of thing I'd kill for in most games.

You can't save up for 2 Arete effects, they're too cheap!
 
[X] Sleep In

I'll consider the options carefully.

I'd like to see the full effect of the 2 Arete Ring of Blood's healing before I consider Pitiless Maw. Though it is quite the powerful healing effect. It's the kind of thing I'd kill for in most games.
Pitiless maw and azure moon seem to be direct upgrades of the 2 arete options we were shown earlier. Pitiless maw seems by far the strongest of the 7 arete options when combined with our current build. We'll be practically unkillable unless we're completely outclassed.
 
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Rihaku you are a goddamn monster. Five EFB equivalents In one vote!? Blood will run on the streets.

[X] Save 5 Options
[X] [A Thousand Cuts]
[X] [Once And Future]
[X] [Ruling Ring]
[X] Total Eclipse
[X] [Pillars of Creation]


Greedy? Most certainly. But if EFB has taught me anything, is that it's namesake options are key to victory. Guaranteeing their availability is therefore critical; consistent access to them would be worth 1 Arete all own it's own, and we don't even lose it. Picked 5 because there's 4 EFBs I want, so Azure is there as a freebie. EDIT: Changed for Thousand cuts as it is a way better short term option, and I wasn't attached to Azure anyway.

Remember, we ended that quest with 4 EFBs, aiming for that much is not inherently unreasonable.

Now that we have committed to Hunting mitigation; Pillars of Creation is completely essential, I would consider it a mandatory pick even. Gives a reliable source of procs, heals and rejuvenates us and our companions, gives us whatever materials we need and safe training time. Even if you want to just save for one or three, please put this, it is key for our mitigation strategy

Total Eclipse gives us a way to continue to make Gisena relevant for quite a while. It's over Ruling Ring simply because of the appeal of Gisena's character, otherwise they'd be about equal.

The last two are there just because they're good. Once and Furure King is the equivalent of a pure power EFB, while Ruling RIng is more of Progression/power Hybrid. Both are good, buoth are thing I want huger to have, but they are less essential than the above two. They'd still be a worthy goal to pursue.

Even if you don't agree with this; please vote for Pillars whatever your vote, it's just so good for our Hunting strategy. It solves so many problems. If this is an oportunity to secure the long-term, then securing that in particular is key.
 
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Analysis of Arete options part 1:

[ ] [A Thousand Cuts] - 7 Arete. In the Forebear's grip could even a common knife blaze with fell power. All melee attacks made with the Forebear's Blade now apply cursed wounds. Septuples the power and speed of the Fell-Handed Stroke and allows it to be used with blade projections. Such horrific offensive power allows one to challenge foes vastly stronger.

Very strong offense, which is an area we lack in currently. I don't think it's a must have though.

[ ] [Iron Curtain] - 7 Arete. The Forebear could not be dissuaded, nor could he be stopped. To dissent was folly, to resist was death. The laws of the Forebear were as natural law, and just as inevitable. When active, ++Willpower, +++Protection, ++Constitution, Ignore Wounds, Deflect Exotic Attacks. Become Tired afterwards.

Good, but it's by no means essential and compared to the other options, I just don't think its worth spending the Arete to reserve it.

[ ] [Once And Future] I - 25 Arete. Channel a fraction of the Forebear's true might, and glimpse a small fraction of his true history. +1 Astral Rank, applied externally after all other factors. Does not raise the difficulty of improving Rank. +2 Astral Rank in matters military.

Note that this is part one of a series. It also gives information portaining to the eventual goal of this quest. And it's really strong in general. Might be worth reserving.

[ ] [Pitiless Maw] - 7 Arete. A Conjunctional Advancement that requires the Forebear's Blade. How can hunger perish from this world? So long as there is one hungering thing, it will emerge again and again to feast upon this realm of mere phenomena. Passively restore health equal to 100% of the damage you deal in melee combat, and triples the Power of Ruin associated with melee strikes.

Moderately expensive and gives 100% lifesteal. Also gives increased power. Combos well with A Thousand Cuts.

[ ] [Dead But Dreaming] - 25 Arete. That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons... Death merely induces slumber in the wearer until the heavens align for his emergence once more. Gain access to the [Outer Sorcery] skill, by which means one's dreams may twist reality towards one's purposes. Apply the effects of To Shatter Heaven to [Outer Sorcery].

Immortality and an extra magic system, with To Shatter Heaven applied. Very good, very cool, very thematic. Is it worth spending Arete to reserve? Probably, but we only have so many choices.

[ ] [Ruling Ring] - 25 Arete. There can only be one Ruling Ring. Enormously increases the strength, range, and control of the [Ring of Power] effect. ++All Stats, ++Progression.

We've talked about this before, it's really good. It's also the most generalistic 25 Arete option, which is valuable since 25 Arete options are hard to get and it's nice to have one that boosts everything. Worth reserving, but so are a lot of things.

[ ] [Azure Moon] - 7 Arete. That which reigns resplendent once in a blue aeon. The wearer gains access to his true [Soul Evocation], [Imprisoner], and high-grade talent in its use. Power as this may be, recall that the use of Soul Evocations requires extensive technical study which will be difficult to perform under the constraints of Hunger. However the potential benefits are enormous enough that it may be worth pursuing even at a mortal's pace.

Oh hey now we can have that other magic system we missed out on. Super versatile, and we know it can lead to mitigation options, but it's a bit anti-synergistic with our playstyle. I really want this but it's maybe not as essential as other options.

[ ] Total Eclipse - 25 Arete. The numinous time of sacred transfixion. Night sweeps field and horizon in a thundering advance, soft halo of the blinkered sun the residue of day. Twilight's orphaned half-brother, cast aside on the eve of creation and trotted out only for spectacle and occasion. No longer, for the flare of your cloak is this twilight pretender, the liminal glow that precludes day and evening both. Unlocks the [True Quintessence], by which She Who Was The Maiden attained supremacy over the Manifest Realm, and for which the Maiden's successors might one day be anointed.

The boost Gisena option. If we're planning on taking her with us for the arbitrarily large amount of time that is the Geass on Indentiture, we'll want her to be able to keep up. This allows that and also gives us a new magic system? It seems that way.

[ ] [Pillars of Creation] - 25 Arete. At the end of each lunar month, wearer and companions may steal away to the realm of Evening, during which no time passes in the mortal world. Divine opulence and every conceivable luxury await the fortunate interlopers, restoring wholeness of mind, body, and spirit.

The realm of Evening responds to the desires of the wearer and can be shaped to induce a variety of effects at nigh-deific scale - worthy enemies, fields of unique reagents, anagathic peaches, arms and armor of myth - only one rule is absolute: that each stay lasts seven days, no more or less. Items typically cannot be carried out, though the effects of items consumed within the realm remain after departing it.

All Curses save the Geas of Indenture are only at one-third severity within the realm, though this does not stack with other forms of mitigation, nor impede their function externally.

Already been discussed, it's really good. Especially since we got huntress's moon, this will give us a certain amount of time free of the Decimator, and also grant a lot of boosts to ourselves, our teammates, and also can be used for level grinding.

...I'm going to have to make another analysis post, narrowing down the options until I've hit one to three that I think are the best. I don't think we want to spend five Arete on things we won't have for a long time, that's too greedy and will **** us in the short term.
 
If I understand the system right, we're able to precommit up to 5 arete to preserve options from this list in future build votes, picking too many 25 Arete is a bad idea because only one of them is likely to win anytime soon and it makes us weak when it comes to adapting to future conditions. Presumably these options will get a 1 Arete discount in future votes because of the saved/prespent Arete.

Debating between Sleep in and Finally Get in the Robot for our action, as for Arete spending... Total Eclipse seems like how we get to soupe Gisena up to help her outpace Decimator's. Think we've got 4.something Arete right now.

[x]Finally Get in the Robot
[x]Save 3 Options
[x]Azure Moon
[x]A Thousand Cuts
[x]Total Eclipse

As for my 1 Option choice/5 Option choices

1. Azure Moon or A Thousand Cuts

Top 5:

1. Azure Moon
2. Total Eclipse
3. Dead and Dreaming
4. A Thousand Cuts
5. Pitiless Maw or Pillars of Creation
 
Guys, can we please sleep in? There is NEVER going to be a time where we don't have to pay a tradeoff to heal from Exhausted, and the sooner we downgrade it the better. Rihaku is too evil to let us get out of it for free. And I am going to scream if we keep punting this down the road when we have been warned at least three times in the story itself that it is going to get us killed.

We have 29 days before Decimator is active again.

You can't save up for 2 Arete effects, they're too cheap!
I'm not asking to save up - I'm asking how good is it, in terms of healing? Because if it's good enough we can take it next time and punt the 7 arete option down the road. The given description doesn't say. And if it isn't good the ridiculously broken healing option is a duh choice.
 
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Pitiless Maw is a passive heal based upon the damage we deal with melee. It is not lifesteal as stated, it just heals at the same rate.

Ring gives ++ to All Stats, which means more Protection, Intelligence, Charisma. It also directly increases Progression. If there is a actual god stat, it would be the thing we took on a bunch of curses to get. Get this and we get the ability to go to new levels.
 
Given Rihaku's earlier remarks about Total Eclipse, switching to...

[x]Sleep In
[x]Save 3 Options
[x]Azure Moon
[x]A Thousand Cuts
[x]Pillars of Creation
 
[X] Finally Get in the Robot

We've delayed this long enough, can't put off our date with Versch anymore.

[X] Save 1 Option
[X] [Pitiless Maw]


I don't think we have the wherewithal and freedom to invest in 25 Arete options yet. We're in constant danger right now, so 7 Arete options are the most we can afford. And of those, Pitiless Maw seems the most comprehensive combat upgrade to me.
 
[X] [Dead But Dreaming] - 25 Arete. That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons... Death merely induces slumber in the wearer until the heavens align for his emergence once more. Gain access to the [Outer Sorcery] skill, by which means one's dreams may twist reality towards one's purposes. Apply the effects of To Shatter Heaven to [Outer Sorcery].
 
If I understand the system right, we're able to precommit up to 5 arete to preserve options from this list in future build votes, picking too many 25 Arete is a bad idea because only one of them is likely to win anytime soon and it makes us weak when it comes to adapting to future conditions. Presumably these options will get a 1 Arete discount in future votes because of the saved/prespent Arete.

Debating between Sleep in and Finally Get in the Robot for our action, as for Arete spending... Total Eclipse seems like how we get to soupe Gisena up to help her outpace Decimator's. Think we've got 4.something Arete right now.
Azure moon is the weakest 7 arete option since it gives no immediate benefit and we're bad at training things because of hunger, so it'll be a while before it's useful.
I'm not asking to save up - I'm asking how good is it, in terms of healing? Because if it's good enough we can take it next time and punt the 7 arete option down the road. The given description doesn't say. And if it isn't good the ridiculously broken healing option is a duh choice.
It's 100% lifeleech? The holy grail of combat healing. Your DPS pulls double duty as your recovery!

Given Rihaku's earlier remarks about Total Eclipse, switching to...
Why did Rihaku saying it was more useful than the poster thought make you switch away from it?
 
Pitiless Maw is a passive heal based upon the damage we deal with melee. It is not lifesteal as stated, it just heals at the same rate.
Most would generally consider that a life steal effect. Their heal goes down and that causes yours to go up.

It probably matters for what kind of magic can counter it, but not otherwise.

[X] Finally Get in the Robot

We've delayed this long enough, can't put off our date with Versch anymore.
YES, YES WE CAN! We have a full 29 days before A Hunger, Sated wears off. We have probably 3 before Apocryphal kills us because we keep refusing to rest!
 
[ ] [Dead But Dreaming] - 25 Arete. That is not dead which can eternal lie. And with strange aeons... Death merely induces slumber in the wearer until the heavens align for his emergence once more. Gain access to the [Outer Sorcery] skill, by which means one's dreams may twist reality towards one's purposes. Apply the effects of To Shatter Heaven to [Outer Sorcery].
How does this interact with the Geas? If we're out until the Stars Are Right, does the counter keep ticking down? Can this protect us from the cost of failing a task? How long does it take for the stars to align? Months? Centuries? Cycles of Ages?
 
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