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Game, Set, [MAFIA]

Do people like pointless polls with their mafia?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • No.

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • I didn't answer this.

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • Wynaut?

    Votes: 13 44.8%
  • Total voters
    29
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Pressure for now is a good idea.

[X] Vote QTesseract

@Shadell did you get a GM confirmation that your target got healed/ your heal got triggered? I know that can depend on the GM as well but would still be helpful.
 
@mesonoxian, what is your general impression on YoungPyromancer?

I mean he has the fourth-most posts (yikes, 30, that's pretty low), but has somehow managed to not leave much of an impression on me for now.
 
Tykan said:
@mesonoxian, what is your general impression on YoungPyromancer?

I mean he has the fourth-most posts (yikes, 30, that's pretty low), but has somehow managed to not leave much of an impression on me for now.
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I don't have much of an impression of them yet I'm afraid. Nothing in their posting looks especially scummy, but nothing clears them either.
 
mesonoxian said:
[X] Vote QTesseract

@QTesseract you have one post for this entire day, saying you know you look suspicious but will try to post more today. You have the fewest posts of any player but Zaealix (who just subbed in). You are also a vet.

I think the Cyri/Zaealix slot is overall more suspicious, but I really don't want to vote for someone who did us the favor of subbing in on their first day and largely on the basis of their predecessor's play.

I am totally willing to be convinced to vote elsewhere if you make the argument, but just lurking gives us zero information and can't be tolerated since it makes scum effectively uncatchable.
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I agree. When someone says that they'll post more, that's a commitment that you should follow through on. I'll not vote yet, as I feel there's plenty of pressure on them, but I will vote if they continue to remain relatively quiet through the rest of the day.
 
Frankly. I don't know if it's good or bad that Young Pyromancer is extremely unremarkable. I can barely remember they exist. That's an impressive power for anyone to have especially when they post as much as Young Pyromancer does. However it's not exactly good for town.

But Frankly I don't trust Scia, but it does seem that scum didn't really collaberate on their votes. I know my perspective so one of the most likely deals wasn't what happened, and QT is pretty much simply inactive. And Frankly an inactivity lynch is better then lynching an actually active town.

However. It's still a toss up for me between a large majority of players not because they're particularly scummy. But, because there isn't really anything I can classify as Scummy besides the weird Exclusion of Young Pyromancer from Scia's analysis. That would have been something weird to ignore.

So, For Now with nothing better to go on.

[X] Vote Scia
 
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I have to say I am not quite trusting @Young Pyromancer because they talked to much without positioning themself,
3 hours to go and not a hint of a vote, and a unexcused null vote make me sceptical
But I feel based on my reading of votings so far that
Tykan,Swarm or Meso being the mafia is slightly more likely and I think in the end I am going with
[x] Vote Swarmingu
 
Blergh. Ok.

[X] vote Qtesseract

I'm not opposed to this. He's done nothing this day that would make me feel any differently than I did day1
 
LOL, literally just writing up a post.
In terms of my vote, I agree that most people haven't done anything too suspicious. An inactivity lynch might be good here, but I also feel like Scia would give us lots of good information about their ratings. If Qt or Swarm's Maf, we don't learn much, but if Scia is, we can use their ratings to try and find other Mafs. So, unless a reason for voting on someone besides gut reads is posted,
[X] Vote Scia
 
Young Pyromancer said:
LOL, literally just writing up a post.
In terms of my vote, I agree that most people haven't done anything too suspicious. An inactivity lynch might be good here, but I also feel like Scia would give us lots of good information about their ratings. If Qt or Swarm's Maf, we don't learn much, but if Scia is, we can use their ratings to try and find other Mafs. So, unless a reason for voting on someone besides gut reads is posted,
[X] Vote Scia
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....You did saw the giant color coded reasoning that I made literally on the last page?

That is a very suspicious argument for " has no reasoning."
 
Scia said:
....You did saw the giant color coded reasoning that I made literally on the last page?

That is a very suspicious argument for " has no reasoning."
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I'm not saying there's no reasoning, I'm saying all that reasoning is for groups of mafia, and is only really relevant when someone dies. The person who's death would make it most relevant is you. Hence my vote, as right now we need information about all of the non 'soft confirmed' players.
 
Scia is trying to find mafia here. She's trying to sort. And I just don't know how her mind comes up with that sorting system as a mafia member. It seems authentic. I'm not 100% sure I get it but it seems honest.

And I'm not voting QT out of policy or because he's quiet. I voting QT because he wouldn't engage with me when I asked him to. He was obviously around. He even posted in the thread during that time he just didn't post anything helpful and didn't didn't try to away the vote or let people make a choice. He left it tied and then immediately jumped on it and untied it.
 
I haven't seen anything that makes me think definitively that any particular person is scum...Aaand I'm not sure I want to think about the current voting landscape-that way feels too much like shenanigans.
I am leaning towards the QT push that's started up, but a part of me wants to stick to my guns and stay on IH except he seems to be a town tracker role...Soo going over the thread one more time...
I suppose an inactivity/ avoidance vote isn't the worst place, and I don't want to touch the brewing Scia vote arguement.

[X]QTesseract
 
Lost:
Swam, Meso,IH,QT
QT:
Ty,ondine,Total
IH:
Shadel, Lost
Shadel:
Cy
No vote:
Scia, Young Pyromancer

Cluster A (most likely)
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Cluster: D (possible )
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Cluster: E(Unknown how likely )
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Cluster: F (unlikely)
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Cluster: G (unlikely)
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What would I need to figure out which one of these groups is correct?
Eliminate Clusters B and C because I know they're wrong, because I know I'm town. Purples and Yellows can all do this if they know they're town.

Now it's a toss up. It's either Swam, and Meso or a combination of Scia, Young Pyromancer, Cy, and Lost

However there is one more cluster seemingly left out by Scia.

Cluster: H (Probability Unknown)
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There are 4 people in that group making it possible for a 3 way white being completely possible. The Clusters of course are skewed due to player disparity without being convinced of the central premise The Clusters don't share equal probability.

Now what eliminates the most amount of groups for me personally? The Answer would be The two purple colors. However that still does nothing because while it does increase the likelihood of another cluster being accurate. That's simply due to us eliminating town, or mafia. It does nothing to help us with finding out the likelihood of an arrangement. I find it a visual tool at best. It does nothing besides stating that people that aren't soft-confirmed are possibly wolves with such arrangements being all of the possibilities. I don't know how it's supposed to help.

Thus it gives me no help besides me trying to figure out who of the group I'm willing to vote for I'm supposed to vote for. Yet, Young Pyromancer was left out by mistake or on purpose I don't know. Nor Do I know why Cluster H wasn't included since it is a possibility.

Yet to answer what would eliminate the most amount of clusters it would be a purple for me personally. It will eliminate 2 clusters. If they're not scum it will eliminate clusters A, and D. If they are a mafia it eliminates clusters G and H. For people that are purple the answer becomes a yellow person. For those that are white the answer becomes yellow or purple at equal value. Yet Clusters aren't really something we should be seeking to eliminate because while it does sort it out well enough. It's ultimately meaningless.

I think it would actually be more effective to simply state clusters that are all combinations of 3 people that don't count the soft-confirmed town.

So no nothing here gives me any push one way or another. As it can't. It can't tell you if one person or another is mafia. It simply states all possible team combinations in a nice way. Thus, it's a tool a useful one debatably. But still just that a tool. It gives no leverage or push away from a person if you realize it's just that a tool. While it might be skewed and it would be an incredibly smart tool for scum to employ so long as they weren't in purple or yellow as it would allow for a couple of days of free town lynches if people ascribe to the clusters. It is still just that a tool, and not something I'll be ascribing to.

I'd try to figure out the probabilities but it's way too long since I've actually tried anything of the sort. Thus I'd probably be wrong on that front. However it's far more likely out of 4 people one is a scum, or two are scum then out of 2 people both are scum without further evidence pointing one way or the other.

Is this useful I don't know. I'm sorry Scia, just had to clear up why I wasn't listening to the tool.
 
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