A Simple Transaction I
- Thread starter Rihaku
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I was thinking about that, I don't think we'd want to do so repeatedly because he could get wise to it and trap the blade. Doing it once at a crtitical moment could be good though.
OctarineShrike
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I've got another angle for the "They are not actually Pirates" scenario.
What does it take for them to have gear that standardized and an enchanted ship? Enchanted plate hauberks(Whatever those actually look like) and enchanted ships don't sound cheap. And yet everybody except the boss has an identical suit of armor in the same style. This suggests the possibility of state backing, military standardization, etc. They could well have some kind of organized supplier providing them with the suits(Edit: As opposed to the suits being acquired from pillaging for treasure).
For another note, what do the plate hauberks resemble in real life?
This?: File:Eastern riveted armor.JPG - Wikipedia
This?: File:Russian mail armor.jpg - Wikipedia
Something else?
What does it take for them to have gear that standardized and an enchanted ship? Enchanted plate hauberks(Whatever those actually look like) and enchanted ships don't sound cheap. And yet everybody except the boss has an identical suit of armor in the same style. This suggests the possibility of state backing, military standardization, etc. They could well have some kind of organized supplier providing them with the suits(Edit: As opposed to the suits being acquired from pillaging for treasure).
For another note, what do the plate hauberks resemble in real life?
This?: File:Eastern riveted armor.JPG - Wikipedia
This?: File:Russian mail armor.jpg - Wikipedia
Something else?
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OctarineShrike
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We go Prudence dictates, we may well be able to get a custom fit one of his Full Plate from him putting us in touch with their supplier, as opposed to salvaged full plate that may well not even fit us that well unless magic resizing enchantments are a thing.
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- Location
- USA
[x] No Quarter
[X] Power
Seems like Prudence isn't going to win the day. Because of that I'll go with this and try to get Power in for a more coherent combo.
For tactics I would say we try and slash it the ship so that it's forced to sink, and then retreat towards Gisena. Hopefully we can help her quickly close the portal and unite with her against the pirate.
Basically use our superior mobility to take care of the threats one by one. Either the Pirate tries to save the ship and we can return to fight him, or he chases after us and fights us by our allies.
[X] Power
Seems like Prudence isn't going to win the day. Because of that I'll go with this and try to get Power in for a more coherent combo.
For tactics I would say we try and slash it the ship so that it's forced to sink, and then retreat towards Gisena. Hopefully we can help her quickly close the portal and unite with her against the pirate.
Basically use our superior mobility to take care of the threats one by one. Either the Pirate tries to save the ship and we can return to fight him, or he chases after us and fights us by our allies.
- Location
- Planet Earth
I support these tactics, though I would also suggest we keep an eye on the pirates/captain, they can probably water walk at minimum.
- Location
- Pindorama
Well let's do this. By those standards, we benefit the most from every tactic having a similarly mild amount of support. That way, the value will be decided by the Hero who's presumably smarter than us.
Using the relative frailty of the ship against him seems to be the most popular tactic, and something I support. I don't know if this extends to the point of dropping him in the water, however.
Despite my suggestion, I don't support the ropes; he's likely heavier than us and we only have one arm. If we had another had free, things might be different.
Would be nice, but unknown feasibility, so I won't support it.
Grappling him is bad with only one arm; so no support.
I support using ranged attacks against him; kiting is an advantage of greater mobility, and we don't care for this ship while he does.
Something I'm iffy on, don't know if it'd be relevant given the powerlevels of the fight. Cool if it worked.
Luring them towards Gisena; something I support. Turning off whatever supernatural abilities they have is an incredible advantage.
Tactical retreat options; supported. Obviously useful.
I don't support sword throws; seems something very finicky and with low clear reward. Would be fine as another miscellaneous ranged option if we kite however.
Attack the other crew; supported. We likely need to deal with them anyway so they don't interfere,and using them to imbalance or hinder him is just an obvious extension of that.
Supported. Charisma is something we paid for and seems to be something we are very good at. Tilting him has obvious benefits.
If you want the support to stay balanced like I suggested; simply invert the support I gave. Remember how to format this:
Rihaku
The Internet
The ship's not that close to the mech; it's possible the crew will have superior aquatic mobility than you. Most likely if you departed they'd just run away, seeing as how they're already trying to avoid fighting.
You can't let them run away! Those are your precious bags of XP!
Maybe, maybe not. It depends on his mental state among other things. He may favor tactics that are objectively unwise if they have certain attributes. For example, No Quarter inherently implies a more aggressive mindset, or at least one that is more emotionally compromised. Recklessness, risk-taking, etc.
You don't really benefit much from thrown attacks, either, since you already have a short-range option with blade winds!
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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While I'd prefer prudence, one potential use of Charisma and the Forebear's Blade is demand that we both disarm for an equitable and peaceful parlay. We both drop or otherwise discard our weapons, Hunger acts like he's going to negotiate only to call the blade back to his hand and stab the pirate in the face. The rest of his crew seem like mooks and should be relatively easy to slaughter once their boss is dead.
Might have less than ideal consequences if this actually was a misunderstanding and our actions get out though.
EDIT: Upon further consideration, I disavow this idea and think its probably a bad tactic. I'd advise people not support it.
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OctarineShrike
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The exact words of No Quarter
Even a tyrant may not wish to abandon the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of criminal justice. If there is reason to doubt the possibility they are actually pirates, death is not justified.
No Quarter is predicated on them being pirates and deserving to die for being pirates.
Even a tyrant may not wish to abandon the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard of criminal justice. If there is reason to doubt the possibility they are actually pirates, death is not justified.
No Quarter is predicated on them being pirates and deserving to die for being pirates.
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- USA
I was hoping to slash a hole below the waterline so that they are taking on water and can't really escape.
While I'm sure they have very valid reasons for attacking us while we're tied up by trying to close the Rift, I'm less sure I care about those reasons whatsoever. Does it even matter if they're pirates or not? They attack unprovoked, they pay the price for it.
Edit: Man, this Tyrant Curse sure is a heady drug.
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Treachery, the sport of emperors and bandits alike. If we do fight him, I'd like to second this.
Though it's risky in its own right. Depending on the specific shape of the Blade, we might have to enter punching range just to hit him with it.
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
this seems worth a try to me.
I also support attacking the deck under him if our blade winds can splinter the wood
would generally prefer to meet sword to sword and try to avoid his shield
I think it's deeply unwise to try to take a fight with a ship captain into the water and don't support any tactics that risk that.
This sounds like a gambit that doesn't cost us much even if it fails. I like it.
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- USA
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- He/Him
I oppose this on characterization grounds
I think with the Tyrant's Doom and our protagonist's desire to not become what he despised, we should avoid dishonorable means like this.
OctarineShrike
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The only thing established is the harpooning of the mech. Nobody raised a blade against us until we made a destructive landing on the ship.
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
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- Earth
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- They
Eh, Not believing in Honoru shit where pirates are concerned won't turn our dude in a monster.
"As you said. I'm a liar."
Supported, this seems like a good way to harness our recent cha/int/ruthlessness gains with a tactic that's not too risky if it doesn't pan out. The costs are mostly reputational, which is less of a concern if none of the pirates escape alive and we're the one explaining to Letrizia. Also, it implies a mindset less compromised by rage, if we're able to improvise a ploy like this.
With the hints dropped about the armor and clarifications about the ship's distance from the mech, investing time into sinking it doesn't seem like a good idea. Not every pirate's Victarion Greyjoy, indifferent to the dangers of wearing full plate on the high seas.
Yes, the fact they got outplayed when they tried to backstab as we were distracted us is a real mitigating circumstances for them.
I find all your proposed mitigating circumstances for them very outlandish and honestly irrelevant even if true. They attacked us so we killed them. Oh it turns out they were whalers? A pity, but we chose the decimator's curse where we kill far more people on far less grounds than that.
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- USA
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- He/Him
A false (metaphorical) flag of peace when we're already going the aggressive no quarter route definitely characterizes us as someone without much respect for life and influence what the 'good' and 'bad' choices look like later.
We chose to kill a bunch of people so now killing people can't be wrong? what a joke.