Guys what is the point of a mafia lawyer??
Hard to say if this is just memes or the start of the town beating stick
We need something to start actual discussion or nothing happens, and a lot of set-up speculation is bad because scum intrinsically starts knowing more. A semi-open set-up actually weakens a lot of that argument.
I'll admit, I'm more suspect of Deviljho's reaction than yours atm.
You never really explained this fully I think
Hm. I also find it kind of scummy that LDJ jumped in to shade me but is planning to vote for meme.
[X] Vote LostDeviljho
I can't remember why I quoted this
LDJ is also pretty suspicious, but there is nothing there I can really hang a vote on. So probably IH, but I am not nearly solid enough on anybody yet.
You might be scum, taking a lead to direct town discussion, but that is wine.
Shifty and noncommital. I don't really like this.
I find it uncomfortable how many people seem to have faked up actual justifications for Devil already and I do not think I'll.be voting there today.
Disengages as soon as the wagon gets big...for people voting for the near same reasoning that they jumped on for.
... What part of stop bleeding info do you people not get? Jesus.
Also, we should do some cop cover tomorrow.
What info bleed was there? We started the game knowing about Drawbacks, everyone has them. This is the part which baffles me that LDJ had info bleed when really they were making analogous statements that are essentially wine.
Second part of this is I guess makes more sense why he started this today.
Honestly two of my suspects are Toto and LDJ as well, but I don't feel great about voting for either as Toto is basically a newbie and LDJ is back after a long absense.
I don't get the Shadell suspicion. And it rubs me the wrong way. I also don't like Cyri's response to Shadell's question. Refusal to actually give a read and then saying no kill me? Feels like a very wolfy thing to do. Tell them you're not afraid to die at all! As though you can put off suspicion by being overly relaxed with the idea.
[X] vote Cyricubed
Like I said OMGUS but actually on further inspecetion there is more. They jumped really hard on defending Shadell right away.
I'm down with a little pressure, @Shadell.
[x] vote Qtesseract
Give us all your lunch money!
I mean tell us your secrets. Shadell is right you are quiet.
And here it is again. Very shortly after Shadell's push comes Ondine pursuing QT.
Changing my vote.
[X] Vote Deviljho
Forgot adding justification, but of all people who bleed their roles early Deviljho seemed to be the most suspect as it was unwarranted. Telling people "I am a good but relatively unimportant townie" wheb nobody asked sounds suspect to me. At least it's a better excuse compared to the one I had for my previous vote, namely gut feeling.
Again, More so called info bleed but really nothing...
LDJ is bleeding a lot of info in really unnecessary ways. It seems performative.
Please someone explain HOW LDJ was actually Info bleeding? It's actually annoying that so many people kept saying this...and gave no actual reasoning or pointed out what the bleed was...because IMO it didn't exist.
[X] Vote Shadell
Frankly speaking I just found out there's only 3 hours left, so.. I'm stepping away from my joke vote.
Hopefully they're a wolf. That's really the best thing I can hope for. Killing a wolf early would be ideal.
Sheepy, I don't like that on principle.
It's pretty tenuous to suggest anyone pointing out that scum has counterintelligence powers is really a masterplan to demotivate town PRs from revealing when needed. Like, D1 has been a sea of pointless info-bleed, we hardly need to convince the players to be more forthcoming here.
Yes but you vastly overplayed scum's advantage. Our Watchers and Trackers can't be fooled, only muddled with a few extra town in the mix. But even then the likelyhood of more than 3 people(Watchers included) visiting one person is low.
I literally just inserted a tally with the right votes. Devil does have two votes. And this is super weird and manipulative and thanks for giving me a real suspicion on D1. Wow.
[X] vote Interstellarhobo
Easy jump, I've noticed I lost quotes here but I'm not backtracking for them. Pretty sure there was more Ondine jumping to Shadell's defense hyper fast and following their train of thought
Alright let's go for This.
[x] Vote shadell
No, I don't really care. I did say I like interstellarhobo's line of logic, since it appears to be true unless someone points out a second vote I managed to miss.
So I'll vote with him on this.
Don't like this...especially after noticing the major slip Ondine did trying to push a vote there.
I agreed with your initial summation of the situation. I didn't like the later "which of these three guys should we kill" bit. It feels like an attempt to control the vote, which is more typically a wolfish impulse than townish one. Maybe it is a difference in style, but it still feels off.
I'm not 100% on your being scum at this point (not even close), but this is what is standing out to me.
To be honest, none of the wagons look super compelling at this point. There are a couple folks I would probably vote for, but I don't want to kill a newbie day one.
I need to vote for somebody, though, and at this point I have narrowed it down to only a third of the thread. I think for right now that's going to be @LostDeviljho .
There "I'm low utility town" thing just really doesn't sit right. I can see a dozen different ways to read those posts, but none of the towny ones make more sense than just saying nothing about your role.
[X] vote LostDeviljho
This is where we get the Repush onto LDJ again. The most towny reason for this is simply to dissuade scum killing them. They know their role, they know what they could do with it. Especially with them being a Watcher, IMO they were one of our most important roles. Instead everyone read the face value and lemming them to death. QT at least I can absolve since they did a self-interest vote.
Actually wait a hot minute. QT is still not voting. And he knows better. I said I would be down for a policy lynch. And I am.
[x] vote QTesseract
You've been around since I asked you to vote. You have no excuse except that you don't want to contribute your opinion for posterity.
Ondine Hopping onto QT...despite QT's earlier statement that they prob won't be posting much this day...
Okay let's try this again. I'm down for a policy lynch.
[x] Vote Qtesseract
A follow by Totadile...here's something interesting. Totadile also seems to be mimicking Ondines actions...are these two linked? Are Ondine-Shadell Linked. My theory: Ondine has a decent chance of being scum, this doesn't perefectly say anything for shadell, but in a !Scum Ondine world I'd say Totadile is scum too.
Yeah.
[X] Vote LostDeviljho
(Based on prior reasoning)
Except...what was that reasoning again? Please point it out.
[x] vote LostDeviljho
Survival
This ended the day and fairly so.
Three possibilities.
1) A Doctor protected the person who was going to be killed. If So Good Job.
2) Bulletproof was attempted to be killed, but was bulletproof. If so please speak up.
3) The least likely the mafia didn't attack anyone, likely due to a weakness they have.
So, the question becomes does it matter which one of these it was, and can it reveal something useful to us?
I don't like this, they didn't mention the potentail of dousing at all which makes me feel like they were painting what happened and shifting that fact away.
So, three possibilities in ascending order of desirability: Either scum used some ability that was incompatible with their normal night kill (probably meaning one of us got doused), or they hit a bulletproof townie, or the Doctor did a really nice job.
I am too tired to figure out if we have any clues pointing more to one possibility than the other. I am going to get some sleep.
If you're the doctor or bulletproof, obviously don't say anything. Let the scum keep guessing. Likewise, any Cop or Tracker should stay mum.
Point here to Meso since they mentioned the probability of Dousing.
My N1 peek was Totodile.
Not claiming. Might be true. Might be cop cover.
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They mentioned this earlier but now I'm frankly seeing something else...
Also the whole cop cover thing only works if lots of people do it. If you are a cop say your real peek. If not, choose someone you don't see yourself having to argue to vote for ASAP cause lol kinda ruins the whole cover thing.
So like.. do it people.
*PRESENT HEAD FOR TOWN STICK THWACKING*
Actually no. Don't do it. Frankly I don't like this one bit. Your pressuring people to do it...but in doing so your basically asking people to reveal who they visited. All that gives is scum targeting info. Stop this...this is scummy and serves no purpose other than to confuse our last possible Watcher and possible tracker as well as give scum info.
I don't really share your point about the Watcher. Tbh given IIRC Nictis likes the social part of the game more than the mechanical AND the whole setup, we are playing mountaenous with extra rather than a power madness game. The Watcher for example can watch a target. Given he sees several visitors, he has a total of 12 possible roles (counting all mafia roles as separate). I mean the only roles that don't visit anyone are bulletproof and maybe the igniting part of arsonist (depends on the implementation I guess). All of this without considering drawbacks. So I wouldn't really consider Watcher reliable either.
Fake-Edit: Of course if he sees only one vistior and his target turns up dead the next day while not being grilled, that's in fact one of the more reliable roles.
And now I'm feeling like that whole text's kinda useless.
Yes...yes it is.
Frankly I'm getting a ton of red flags from Ondine that read scum and the most annoying thing about it all...they act as though they are certain a cop is in the game yet...the only ones who could be certain of that are A. If someone is the cop. And B. If your scum.
[X] Vote Ondine
