TwistedJester
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Is Amarlt a reference to something? Because I'm running into a wall trying to figure out if it's a part of one of Rihaku's previous works or if it's original.
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OctarineShrike
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Amarlt is new. I suspect Escaflowne may be part of her inspiration though Escaflowne
I also had another thought when it comes to hunger and seals builds. Hunger bolstering our development in seals may well let us get even more mitigation out of it.
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...I am responding because you posted something and I replied with my opinion of it and which is only valueless for you. (As in you are fundamentally wrong, Rihaku and his Quests feed on likes, thread activity and omakes and gives various bonuses. Like those extra LS we got we are now voting for.)
I kept responding because you replied to me and because it's fun to contribute to the thread.
Don't worry though, I will not continue to respond to you as you wish.
Doesn't sound like it in the text of Retinue and Geas is one person only transport. Let's hope we can find a way to transport them if plans with companions wins.
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Rihaku
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In the long run, yes, easily.
Fighting to assist a chosen hero, no less! Or would that actually penalize her Graces given the nature of her realm's Hero?
Gisena is not exactly the exemplar of Implicate Duty that Jeanne or Porcelain might be, but she does take her Sorcerous advancement seriously. She'll have a fairly good idea of what needs to be done for her to advance in power, both in terms of actions and artificial findross concentration.
Yong Shen developed the Counter series because he was tired of fucking Diagram bullshit.
It may be side by side like some of the EFB updates. Probably I'll close one or both of Vendetta and Native Magic votes and you'll choose a build that follows from the combination.
The Accursed is not responsible for your choices! He's letting you take Sword and Progression, after all.
Our hero had a waifu, but she died.
Will he find it in his heart to move on, after time has passed? What is even an appropriate amount of time for such things?Advocating for Catherine might still get her in the consolidation vote as a secondary option, though!
Well, I thought it was cool...
OctarineShrike
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I've switched back to a Catherine Plan since then so I'm glad to hear that.
OctarineShrike
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One more benefit I realized when it comes to Catherine. Crazy hand eye coordination seems like an especially important skill for Calligraphy which seems like an important part of Seals.
Rihaku
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In theory, yes. I'm not sure how practical it will be unless the next vote takes a while, but any unused progress will be converted towards some equivalent of Beyond Points.
I wonder how much Catherine support exists that is elided due to tactical voting?
OctarineShrike
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Dunno. Expressing interest in more approval voting? Was the previous experiment to your satisfaction from a data standpoint?
And then tried to pussy out with "i-it's just a opinion bro" when you attacked my opinion to begin with, yes.
Your opinion is clearly "valueless" to you too, seeing how you immediately backtracked from "i prefer murderhobo more" to "w-we are not allowed to have fun with Vengeance because I say so" after I made my argument.
Response implies some sort connection between two posts. Trying to shift goalposts from "i find this more fun" to "b-but this is OOC" to "it's just opinion bro" is not responding, it's trying to get last post in.
It's fine Rihaku, I'm sure this time around we won't hilariously outscale any possible opposition before you can throw it at us
OctarineShrike
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Remember those Isekai's where the hero has some niche skill in their original reality that becomes crazy relevant in whatever reality they end up in?
We get even more isekai degeneracy with a Catherine Build, her hand eye coordination applied to Seven Seals/Calligraphy may well be on par with an isekai protagonist's cheat.
We get even more isekai degeneracy with a Catherine Build, her hand eye coordination applied to Seven Seals/Calligraphy may well be on par with an isekai protagonist's cheat.
will408914
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What exactly is the Apocryphal Curse?
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If it's not cooking I ain't taking it
OctarineShrike
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A nebulously defined mix of inevitable nemeses, protagonist syndrome, and inescaply living in interesting times with no hope of anything but fleeting peace given my current understanding.
Basically fate will go out of it's way to make sure we are living in FUN times.
Looking at vote totals, Gisena and Forebear dominating pretty hard and retinue a pretty comfortable third. With seals also further ahead then I though it was.
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It just doesn't fit well on a character level, that after passing up the chance to resurrect his wife before extracting his pound of flesh from the universe that took her from him, he'd snag companions at the first opportunity. More members for the 'procession of the dead', after all. For mitigation, Gisena has obvious utility, but her antimagic Graces are also useless against a wide class of enemies without support. Mundane soldiers in large numbers or with weaponry found higher up on the branches of any tech tree are a hard counter. Catherine provides outdated intel and has late-game relevance, but what possible psychological contortions could lead to him selecting her? It's not like companions on offer die if he refuses them. The opposite may in fact be true.
OctarineShrike
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Let's not forget using Catherine as a Kuzuki analog. Barring supernatural medical attention sufficient to restore our health, King's Scepter grade physical buffs are more efficient on her than us.
[X] Transcendent Shonen Murderhobo
-[X] The King's Scepter
-[X] Accretion
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Hunger
-[X] Relinquishment
My only qualm with this is relinquishment, but there's a lot of early/mid game power in this build so it should be able to carry it.
In general I like Hunger far far more than Retinue which is sort of it's counterpart option. Just so much simpler and less finicky in trying to exploit is worth the slight dropoff in the ultra long term.
-[X] The King's Scepter
-[X] Accretion
-[X] Forebear's Blade
-[X] Hunger
-[X] Relinquishment
My only qualm with this is relinquishment, but there's a lot of early/mid game power in this build so it should be able to carry it.
In general I like Hunger far far more than Retinue which is sort of it's counterpart option. Just so much simpler and less finicky in trying to exploit is worth the slight dropoff in the ultra long term.
It's like using your awesome cosmic power to bring back your wife is not the same as using your awesome cosmic powers to gain useful allies. IC we don't choose Gisena because she will be fun to read about, we choose her because we want an asset for our ultimate goal. If you absolutely need to rationalize it, our hero knows that he needs someone to do the talking for him due to curse he explicitly selected.
Besides, procession of dead did work out in he end, and surely our worn out and edgy hero can bring himself to not care about Gisena. That totally won't end up in wacky situations and culminate with us going back to save her, no sir.
Chance of purely technological world(so no magitech/magic elements) is low; even then, Gisena is still superhuman, very good at social and can scale at 25% of our speed. Her social ability would be especially useful in super high tech setting which tend to posses an absolute authority such as planetary federation or the like. Comparatively, being a murder hobo in such a setting will be much harder without Gisena doing the talk as you will quickly find yourself an enemy of entire world or whatever.
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Rihaku
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It didn't provide enough data for me to be sure. I'll have to repeat it at a later date.
It's fine Rihaku, I'm sure this time around we won't hilariously outscale any possible opposition before you can throw it at us
I'm sure as well!
But you didn't outscale Zang Kong, he outscaled you! Alas, ironically that was simply not sufficient against the Sky-Splitting Blade...
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ImperatorV
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I have Catherine in my plan!
But really, I think the reason poor Cathy doesn't show up much is that she's a lategame asset. We are Progression, lategame power is not our weakpoint. Early game survival is, which is why Gisena is so popular. She has early game firepower, and can mitigate curses to put off a potentially quest-ending Apocryphal proc.
I personally think Catherine is a great investment with a King's Scepter build, since we can start buffing her right away. But a lot of people are either supporters of the suicidal plan or prefer Forebear's Blade/Hunger/Relinquishment/whatever.
Lies and slander, having an ability that shortly makes you stronger than opponent is not true outscaling!