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LokiQuest: Re-Reshape and Retry (CK2)

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This situation wasn't caused by circumstances that could be reasonably forseen by players (though, I do agree that many of the votes we did were not the best, but that is the nature of voting).

We didn't know that other players were controlling characters, new mechanics popped up again, etc. So, a reboot would be beneficial. Also, we know a lot more about how important stats are and how ultimately fragile and of limited use relationships are (other than as a source of turns)...perhaps enough to change votes the next time around.

KnowledgeKing said:
Fair point that it isn't mentioned. But note he asked to meet with Loki, not Phoenix Financial. Also Phoenix Financial HQ is on Asgard. It's the more likely place.
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Well, that was why I thought it would be on Titan- why would a King go to another Kingdom to meet with its prince? Especially a new king who who could be reasonably expected to have people come to meet him and make relations. A suggestion: if details like this could lead to huge negative consequences to player characters or are the basis of negative consequences, the details should be placed on. To be honest, if the new King came to Asgard, it really should have been tons and tons of people there and Loki greeting him at the Bifrost as a dignitary. Thanos should not have been able to sneak in and defeat Heimdall.

Details such as this, and lack of them, can lead to players making bad decisions.
 
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[X] Believe the mercenary leader and take the medicine to his parents

Is this the most successful false flag attack in history? I don't know but it sure feels like it. This mercenary is way too amped for us to take in a fight, Thanos doesn't lie so presumably his top henchmen wouldn't either. And guys, you can't reboot every time there's a major setback. This looks bad but it isn't nearly as bad as the last quest's ending.
 
And I was right about the plan being overly complicated and too long while assuming we would even get to the throne room. Also the multi crit, sadly *sigh*
 
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MysteryCPU said:
Well, that was why I thought it would be on Titan- why would a King go to another Kingdom to meet with its prince? Especially a new king who who could be reasonably expected to have people come to meet him and make relations.
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Well...the prince is prince of the #1 kingdom in the universe. The King is the King of an unknown planet. I can see it. But you make points.
MysteryCPU said:
if the new King came to Asgard, it really should have been tons and tons of people there and Loki greeting him at the Bifrost as a dignitary. Thanos should not have been able to sneak in and defeat Heimdall.
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Also a point. Hmm...can we pretend that did happen, but Thanos still came alone (somewhat suspicious). And they went to the palace? I feel like it wouldn't change too much. The way Heimdall was defeated was very unconventional.
 
MysteryCPU said:
This situation wasn't caused by circumstances that could be reasonably forseen by players (though, I do agree that many of the votes we did were not the best, but that is the nature of voting).

We didn't know that other players were controlling characters, new mechanics popped up again, etc. So, a reboot would be beneficial. Also, we know a lot more about how important stats are and how ultimately fragile and of limited use relationships are (other than as a source of turns)...perhaps enough to change votes the next time around.


Well, that was why I thought it would be on Titan- why would a King go to another Kingdom to meet with its prince? Especially a new king who who could be reasonably expected to have people come to meet him and make relations. A suggestion: if details like this could lead to huge negative consequences to player characters or are the basis of negative consequences, the details should be placed on. To be honest, if the new King came to Asgard, it really should have been tons and tons of people there and Loki greeting him at the Bifrost as a dignitary. Thanos should not have been able to sneak in and defeat Heimdall.

Details such as this, and lack of them, can lead to players making bad decisions.
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Please no.. no reboot.
And weren't Thanos and Loki talking in the palace. Where this arc started..
What happened in PF HQ?
@KnowledgeKing

Crayak said:
[X] Believe the mercenary leader and take the medicine to his parents

Is this the most successful false flag attack in history? I don't know but it sure feels like it. This mercenary is way too amped for us to take in a fight, Thanos doesn't lie so presumably his top henchmen wouldn't either. And guys, you can't reboot every time there's a major setback. This looks bad but it isn't nearly as bad as the last quest's ending.
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It's a mercenary not Thanos henchman.. he is just a hired goon...

Tackyseven said:
And I was right about this being overly complicated and the multi crit, sadly *sigh*
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FK over complicated...that multi Crit was cancer.
 
[X] All or Nothing
-[X]Attempt to trick the Merc in to physical contact
-- [X] Seal the memory of how to control his limbs.
--- [X] Pick up weapons.
--- [X] Kill him
--- [X] Get medicine
--- [X] Run to Frigga and Odin heal them.
--- [X] Bring destroyer to Loki
- [X] If sealing fails use strikes to make him drop the weapons as a priority, go for the kill whenever possible.
 
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Crayak said:
[X] Believe the mercenary leader and take the medicine to his parents

Is this the most successful false flag attack in history? I don't know but it sure feels like it. This mercenary is way too amped for us to take in a fight, Thanos doesn't lie so presumably his top henchmen wouldn't either. And guys, you can't reboot every time there's a major setback. This looks bad but it isn't nearly as bad as the last quest's ending.
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Agreed, really hate that people go Leeloy Jenkins every single time something doesn't go their way and it's been noted that attacking is a bad idea.

[X] Believe the mercenary leader and take the medicine to his parents

Think that if the Merc wanted us dead we would be and don't see what the point in attacking would be.
 
Red Bovine said:
Agreed, really hate that people go Leeloy Jenkins every single time something doesn't go their way and it's been noted that attacking is a bad idea.

[X] Believe the mercenary leader and take the medicine to his parents

Think that if the Merc wanted us dead we would be and don't see what the point in attacking would be.
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Would you rather be a slave to the mind stone or hand over that kind of power to a mad man?
 
@KnowledgeKing could they retroactively apply their unused bonuses to their rolls against Thanos to prevent this bit from happening? Usually when you get rolls you let us place them where it looks like they are needed but this time it was all there in the update.
 
Darkcore41 said:
Would you rather be a slave to the mind stone or hand over that kind of power to a mad man?
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Can you not fear monger? Because you are by acting that way. Thanos had the same spear in canon and he didn't use it himself to mind rape everyone. I highly doubt the QM would put us in a totally impossible and unwinnable position since if it was that strong he could have used it against us any time before now since he already had it.
 
[X] All or Nothing
-[X]Attempt to trick the Merc in to physical contact
-- [X] Seal the memory of how to control his limbs.
--- [X] Pick up weapons.
--- [X] Kill him
--- [X] Get medicine
--- [X] Run to Frigga and Odin heal them.
--- [X] Bring destroyer to Loki
- [X] If sealing fails use strikes to make him drop the weapons as a priority, go for the kill whenever possible.

I dont think this is unwinnable, he cant use those weapons at the same time and I'm willing to bet he hasn't trained in the art of using a sword or spear.
 
Red Bovine said:
Can you not fear monger? Because you are by acting that way. Thanos had the same spear in canon and he didn't use it himself to mind rape everyone. I highly doubt the QM would put us in a totally impossible and unwinnable position since if it was that strong he could have used it against us any time before now since he already had it.
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Isn't Thanos controlled by a player though? Considering the direction that Thanos seems to be taking, it's possible that he will have the six stones in something like a century, and then just wipe us out because...
KnowledgeKing said:
Thanos is insane
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Sanas22 said:
Please no.. no reboot.
And weren't Thanos and Loki talking in the palace. Where this arc started?
What happened in PF HQ?
@KnowledgeKing


It's a mercenary not Thanos henchman.. he is just a hired goon...


FK over complicated...that multi Crit was cancer.
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As I said hidden bonuses and even without it we would've been stopped by the merc either way since that was something the QM decided before he rolled at all.

It's really hard too get invested in the game since new mechanics are being introduced willy nilly and the way the game works is never transparent for the players. Because of this it always feel like we're railroaded...and we are since the game iss very dice heavy and driven until it isn't because bad things happen suddenly without any dice roll being rolled and the QM deciding to do somethinig without rolling for it. Like that merc in this update. It's even worse IF the QM actually rolled for that but didn't post it in the update once again removing transparancy that needs to be their for this quest to work.

Frankly @KnowledgeKing you need to post every roll you make for this quest and write down your thought process step by step and an short explanation for every roll you make before you drop the actual updates for the players to be able to play the game. The players and you are almost never in sync because you do things you think make sense and prsent them in a way you feel are obvious but aren't at all. Except too you and maybe your IRL freinds who you actually comunicate with and tell stuff so they follow your thought process
 
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Red Bovine said:
Can you not fear monger? Because you are by acting that way. Thanos had the same spear in canon and he didn't use it himself to mind rape everyone. I highly doubt the QM would put us in a totally impossible and unwinnable position since if it was that strong he could have used it against us any time before now since he already had it.
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He doesn't have the same goals he came for Loki and the QM pointed out he was insane multiple times. You are hoping for roses but all your getting is farts.
 
Anyway seeing as the guy literally has multiple artiffacts including freaking Gungir and Heimdall's sword while being boosted it seems like a really stupid idea to fight the guy and counter productive. We may not like it but it seems like our best shot is to take a gamble and trust the guy since the guy could probably have just crushed us instead of offering a way to save our parents.

I say our best play at the moment is to save our parents and get to the vault and grab the Tesseract to try to teleport from Asgard with our parents and regroup with Thor and wait for Odin to recover.
 
Tackyseven said:
Like that merc in this update. It's even worse IF the QM actually rolled for that but didn't post it in the update once again removing transparancy that needs to be their for this quest to work. Frankly @KnowledgeKing you need to post every roll you make for this quest and write down your thought process step by step and an short explanation for every roll you make for the players to be able to play the game.
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That was rolled and shown last update. When he demolished Frigga in combat.
 
Darkcore41 said:
He doesn't have the same goals he came for Loki and the QM pointed out he was insane multiple times. You are hoping for roses but all your getting is farts.
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You are literally screaming that something will definitely happen instead of maybe and ignoring every other bit of logic like how he already had it to begin with and by that logic this whole quest was unwinnable from the start. The stones are good but they don't make you completely invincible and do have limits. And no, I don't think that the QM would railroad us into an unwinnable fight just because.

I believe that we have multiple options because I have faith the the QM would in fact offer mulitple ways to win a situation instead of giving a game over unless we go with an option that you think is absolutely right. Which is just heavily flawed reasoning considering how many times some questers thought that they were absolutely right only to turn out wrong.
 
I don't believe that surrendering is the best play here. Actually, it probably would be the worst play since we would be handing over the keys to the most powerful financial kingdom to an insane man who has already lied to Loki and killed his friends.

Based upon how this game is working, really any action is better than the inaction of surrender- because of the dice roll system. With good enough rolls, we could win even in this situation.
 
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