Tohjo Military University [Pokémon]

Kotone's Starter Choice


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Welcome Brother, to the We hate Oddish Society. Basically, Oddish got initially picked for being absurdly easy to capture and common to find, since this quest is apparently Nintendo Hard. By the time we realized we were going into the Safari Zone anyways, it was too late and we had already spent several actions studying Oddish.

Observe the poll above as evidence of constant arguing for basically anything other than Oddish. Oddish is no one's first pick, but is the one we could all sort of agree on.


By the same logic, wouldn't it be more likely to find isolated ones in the watering hole?

Potentially. I don't think I want to bet on it, though, especially given that other, more dangerous and aggressive pokemon might be around as well.
 
The poll has turned somewhat useless since folks who don't vote in the quest have wandered in to comment that they like Scyther. I like Scyther too, it doesn't mean Scyther is a good idea.
What? Are you telling me that a strawpoll isn't the best way to guage involvement???:o

I mean people could pick "Other", too.
 
Potentially. I don't think I want to bet on it, though, especially given that other, more dangerous and aggressive pokemon might be around as well.

I think we're safe:

With a radius of approximately 5km, the Dodrio Field is an artificial, hilly savanna that contains only Doduo and Dodrio, a Tutorial Field where encounters are simplified. Supply Points can be found along the walls, where food, water, and ammunition can be restocked.
 
So, I just binge read this. And havent had time to read all the conversation. But can anyone please tell me why we chose oddish of all things? Sure it has a few poison and sleep powders but we are also a sniper and ninja.
Well, the pokemon sniper and ninja like were determined to be pokemon we would have difficulty obtaining as a starter, meaning we wouldn't have a pokemon to help catch it, as we were a sniper and ninja. So our strengths would be pitted against their strengths. With the them being a pokemon while we were a human.
 
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Huh, I was just wondering whether there might even be anything other than Doduo/Dodrio here earlier, but I missed that particular bit. That might make it worth it to look for a watering hole, even if Doduo doesn't normally need one. Think I'm going to stick to the current plan for now, though, since I don't think either would be appreciably more effective-- given the information we have right now, both would rely a lot on sheer chance.
 
Thank you for the elaboration. I dont dislike oddish too much but I fucking hate gloom. It looks ugly, it smells ugly , just urgh.

Spinarak would have been cool since Murkrow was an option I'm assuming gen 2 was on the table.

Zubat would have been interesting as well.

I'm assuming bulbasaur were exceedingly rare.

Though I do think it's a real shame were going to the safari zone (literal extremely dangerous environment ) and kind of just settling of a standard oddish =/ , at the very least Leaf has AMBITION. Kangastan is def an interesting starter.

Sandshrew could have been cool too. *sigh* urgh I want to stay on and see where this goes but I reallly dislike the oddish thing, I hope at the very least we get a strong oddish
 
We do plan to get a strong Oddish, and rush from Oddish to Bellossom as efficiently as possible.

I'm not that into ambition re: strong pokemon, though I do like ambition re: goals. Bellossom has healing powers that I think could be very handy.

Also, you're not alone in the Oddish/Gloom dislike group, you are in fact in good company.
 
I'm assuming gen 2 was on the table.
Yep, Kanto and Johto are both available!
Zubat would have been interesting as well.
Zubat was a consideration, but lost traction for some reason. I quite liked it as well!
at the very least Leaf has AMBITION.
Ambition and a sense of guilt or pressure to become like her father. Ambition can get us killed if we go too far. Luckily for Leaf, Kotone and Silver are decent people and will help her!
 
Thank you for the elaboration. I dont dislike oddish too much but I fucking hate gloom. It looks ugly, it smells ugly , just urgh.

Spinarak would have been cool since Murkrow was an option I'm assuming gen 2 was on the table.

Zubat would have been interesting as well.

I'm assuming bulbasaur were exceedingly rare.

Though I do think it's a real shame were going to the safari zone (literal extremely dangerous environment ) and kind of just settling of a standard oddish =/ , at the very least Leaf has AMBITION. Kangastan is def an interesting starter.

Sandshrew could have been cool too. *sigh* urgh I want to stay on and see where this goes but I reallly dislike the oddish thing, I hope at the very least we get a strong oddish

There was some support for various bugs, but the argument against boiled down to short lifespans and Bug just generally being a bad type. Not a great choice for a first partner, overall, though there was some promise in a suggestion to get a breeding pair. Zubat would have been pretty fitting, but a complete pain to catch-- caves aren't great for a sniper, fliers are hard to trap, it lives in colonies, it can induce confusion, etc. It also hates sunlight until it evolves, and even that's iffy-- Golbat's pokedex entries say that it only comes out on moonless nights, but at least no mention of sunburns. Starters are all totally exceedingly rare (or else I would have backed ninja Feraligatr all the way :V).

A strong Oddish is the plan. Don't worry too much about Gloom; it can be trained to control the stench, and Vileplume has complete control over it. Even if it couldn't, the general consensus is to go for Bellossom, anyway. If that doesn't console you, the QM has stated that we can expect to go for a second pokemon in two to five missions (depending on the length of the individual missions), so you can look forward to that. We'll have a lot more room to cut loose with that capture.
 
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[X] Cut straight through the Field for the first flock of Doduo you can find.
-[X] Ask Silver for the lowdown on Doduo and Dodrio. He did do the research before bringing us out here, right?
-[X] In addition to the actual flock, stay on the look-out for Doduo tracks. Try to avoid trails that also contain Dodrio tracks.
 
question about the extra pokeball from Silver. if something crazy were to happen and we somehow ended up with a 2nd pokemon would we be allowed to simply not report it and pretend we caught it later? i'm not saying it's likely or anything like that but i was just curious as to what could happen.
 
question about the extra pokeball from Silver. if something crazy were to happen and we somehow ended up with a 2nd pokemon would we be allowed to simply not report it and pretend we caught it later? i'm not saying it's likely or anything like that but i was just curious as to what could happen.

We'd have to 'accidentally' catch one that we could reasonably catch elsewhere, because it'd be hard to explain a Scyther or Tauros if we were stationed all the way across the continent from the Safari Zone.
 
question about the extra pokeball from Silver. if something crazy were to happen and we somehow ended up with a 2nd pokemon would we be allowed to simply not report it and pretend we caught it later? i'm not saying it's likely or anything like that but i was just curious as to what could happen.
Don't we need to register our equipment upon return to the school? Not sure how procedures are, but a world involving dangerous monsters under the control of children demands some level of strictness in monitoring these captures.
 
....clearly....we need that extra pokeball for our dratini and or other super rare unique pokemon and then toss the oddish *nods sagely*

Let's get a sandshrew. When in doubt use DIG
 
We'd have to 'accidentally' catch one that we could reasonably catch elsewhere, because it'd be hard to explain a Scyther or Tauros if we were stationed all the way across the continent from the Safari Zone.
if thats the case we could register the rare one and "find" an oddish. make the case that while yes we were after the oddish we saw an opportunity and deemed the risk/reward worth it.

again, i'm not saying any of that is likely but it's kind of an interesting what if that got stuck in my head as we get closer to finally getting a pokemon

edit - sandshrew isnt a bad choice later on actually. and it can fit with the ninja thing by making pit traps and the like. not to mention they're pretty tough for what they are as well as common
 
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if thats the case we could register the rare one and "find" an oddish. make the case that while yes we were after the oddish we saw an opportunity and deemed the risk/reward worth it.

again, i'm not saying any of that is likely but it's kind of an interesting what if that got stuck in my head as we get closer to finally getting a pokemon

If we catch a different pokemon and admit it we fail the test.

I mean, if I were them I'd be trying to get the trainer who accidentally gets the dratini, not the one who sticks with the oddish, but I suspect they're trying to test for military discipline, not just trainer skill.
 
Don't we need to register our equipment upon return to the school? Not sure how procedures are, but a world involving dangerous monsters under the control of children demands some level of strictness in monitoring these captures.
I didn't get the impression they were children? Young adults at least. I mean, once we graduate we'll be full-fledged Army sargents, we're trained to shoot for goodness sake. I don't think this quest is so dark that we play as child soldiers.
 
I didn't get the impression they were children? Young adults at least. I mean, once we graduate we'll be full-fledged Army sargents, we're trained to shoot for goodness sake. I don't think this quest is so dark that we play as child soldiers.
I mean Kotone is 19, but it's said she's been training for the last 3 years, so the period in which they would be considered 'children' by Earth standards is potentially there.
We're basically in university now, just got into it actually. The Pokémon deathworld may push the age at which children are considered adults to be a bit earlier, I don't know, subject to how the QM has as canon.
 
FAQ 2: Military Discipline
Forgive me if I'm a bit blunt. This general subject has already come up, so it's getting pretty rote for me.

To reiterate for newcomers: Not catching a pokemon means we fail the test. Not catching the pokemon we said we were going to catch means we fail the test. Catching a pokemon in addition to the pokemon we said we were going to catch (and being found out) means we fail the test. Not being back at the drop-off point within two weeks means we fail the test. Failing the test means our character either gets shunted to the normal military or becomes a civilian, and we take control of another character. The same is true if we die, which is a very likely possibility. The QM would be perfectly happy to hand these consequences down to us.

If you're really interested in what could happen if we decide to try going for a second pokemon with the extra pokeball:

Only a rare and valuable pokemon would be worth the risk of getting caught. While we have no time now, we could potentially research one after our interviews. We have the time to fit one in along with the Kangaskhan research, iirc, given our access to Gary's files. However, we know from the distances and travel times we were given that it's going to be challenging to go deep into the Safari Zone, survive long enough to catch three pokemon, and get out in the span of two weeks. That one of those pokemon is very rare and dangerous will make it outright harrowing. It isn't just unlikely for us to go catch a second rare and most likely dangerous pokemon on top of all that. It's a pipe dream.

Even if we had more time, or were alone and didn't have to worry about anyone else passing, it would be pretty pointless. Only ultra balls or better hold pokemon in stasis. Given how tightly controlled regular pokeballs seem to be, we aren't going to get our hands on an ultra ball. We'd have to come back within a few days (with no access to flight options) or else the pokemon will just die of dehydration. That's all without getting into how difficult it would be to explain how and where we got it when we go to register it.

Overall, if we really have our heart set on a Scyther or Dratini or similar, we're better off just going back to the Safari Zone later.
 
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*indefinite stasis.

Standard balls can hold stasis for a week. Great Balls can hold stasis for a few months.

Subject to change.

Hm, that's very good to know. That actually makes it potentially viable to go pick up the pokemon before it dies. Not actually viable when you take into account actually having to explain where we got it, though. That said, not having to worry about letting our pokemon out for daily meals on extended missions? That'll be invaluable, especially for the big eaters.

Also, no more potential fridge horror about pokemon being left inside the equivalent of a sensory deprivation tank for hours on end. :V
 
[X] Cut straight through the Field for the first flock of Doduo you can find.
-[X] Ask Silver for the lowdown on Doduo and Dodrio. He did do the research before bringing us out here, right?
-[X] In addition to the actual flock, stay on the look-out for Doduo tracks. Try to avoid trails that also contain Dodrio tracks.
 
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