Congregation of Despair (Mafia - Second Attempt)

Also since I didn't touch on these earlier-



Flavor, though I suppose we shouldn't go all-in on that, indicates that they were at least an original cultist, and probably a powerful one.



Eh, I'm slightly skeptical that we have a Mafia, to be honest. That seems really anti-town-slanted.

Anyway back to 1K. I'll concede that I had the timeline slightly mixed up there re: Absum, but that was a minor ancillary point and most of my argument still holds.



Why were you suspicious of Nani again? You never said.



Why were you suspicious of me again? You never said. Also the thrust of my argument isn't that you never voted me, it's that this literally never even came up since Day 1 until suddenly we're close to deadline, DG is probably the player that isn't Absum on the chopping block, and Absum just claimed and the wagon could start to die down. I also am the only person aside from Absum who has any votes at the moment, so it's kind of interesting that this suspicion you never voiced until now just also happens to be on the main person against DG that could get traction until Nani suspicion came along.
At this size I'm betting on 3 starter scum. Whether that's 2 vampires and a powerful serial killer or two mafia and a powerful cult, I'm not sure; I guess it could also be a 2 maf 2 cult with a weak recruitment, but that's lower on my suspects list.

If there is only a serial killer, theyve probsbly got a whole grabbag of powers; im betting on NK immune and cult immune at a minimum.
 
At this size I'm betting on 3 starter scum. Whether that's 2 vampires and a powerful serial killer or two mafia and a powerful cult, I'm not sure; I guess it could also be a 2 maf 2 cult with a weak recruitment, but that's lower on my suspects list.

If there is only a serial killer, theyve probsbly got a whole grabbag of powers; im betting on NK immune and cult immune at a minimum.

mm, that's fair enough. Being wary about votes is probably the best call then.
 
To clarify what I think is the point of confusion here @Broken Base I believe you to be the/a teal killer and by evidence of, among other points, the teal kill not being town red or the vampire purple, teal is probably an SK or maf.

I'm gonna go back and try to dig up claims to compile a list and see where things stand though.
 
[QUOTE="Terrabrand, post: 12688128, member: 11053"[I believe you to be the/a teal killer and by evidence of, among other points, the teal kill not being town red or the vampire purple, teal is probably an SK or maf.[/QUOTE]

No, I get that part of your argument? I'm just confused as to why I would kill DG of all people when I got a wagon started on him the previous day, I have been notably suspicious of him, and even after I kill him as SK I note my suspicions of him? What is even the point of doing that, from your perspective?

Also will be interested in your thoughts on me and 1K after you're done with that, since this is looking like it might be a 1v1 today, though it's still early.
 
[QUOTE="Terrabrand, post: 12688128, member: 11053"[I believe you to be the/a teal killer and by evidence of, among other points, the teal kill not being town red or the vampire purple, teal is probably an SK or maf.[//QUOTE]

No, I get that part of your argument? I'm just confused as to why I would kill DG of all people when I got a wagon started on him the previous day, I have been notably suspicious of him, and even after I kill him as SK I note my suspicions of him? What is even the point of doing that, from your perspective?

Also will be interested in your thoughts on me and 1K after you're done with that, since this is looking like it might be a 1v1 today, though it's still early.
Honestly, this is why I don't see BB as the Teal Killer. If Nani hadn't successfully claimed Watcher yesterday I'd suspect them. As it is, looking at the player list (stolen and then amended from QTess'):

Legend:
+++ is almost guaranteed Town.
++ is currently "high Town lean." This refers to people largely cleared by Night action reveals yesterDay.
+ is Town lean
0 is Null
- is scum leam
-- is scummier
--- is nearly confirmed scum

QTesseract: ++, confirmed Tracker
Oshha: +++, highly likely Lightning Rod / Cult Immune
Nanimani: --, claimed Watcher
Dovah: +++, of course
Happerry: -, some criticism previously, enough to make me lean scum
Nictis: --, no claim, will address later
BB: +, no mechanical information, but I think they're Town
1kBestK: --, will get to later
Terrabrand: 0 so far

Nictis, though. Nictis is suspicious. Nictis is a high level player. When summoned to weigh in on my Nani push, they said ... nothing. Nothing at all.

Now, here's the thing. As Maf I'd expect to see Nictis right out in the thick of it, swinging the lynch. That's standard Nictis. Nictis wasn't. Now, as an SK, I wouldn't expect that. I would expect them to take out a cultmaster if they decided someone was one, at least by N2.

Here's where I narrow it down to Nictis, though. It isn't play I'd expect out of 1KBestK. They're newer. Nailing a suspected cult player like that doesn't sound right, and definitely not over taking out a more active player. The same argument goes for Happerry. That leaves Terra, Nictis, Nanimani, or I. I didn't do it. Nani could only have pulled their claim as a cultist (iirc, didn't reread it). Terra came in too late to be likely to pick DG specifically, I feel. That leaves Nictis as an advanced player likely to make that play.

I still have doubts about Nani. But I think I've convinced myself here.

[X] Lynch Nictis
 
Personally I'm still betting that we end up with a Werewolf serial killer, because everyone knows vampires and werewolves always end up fighting. Trashy teen romance novels say so, after all, and they're never wrong... right?

Suggests player is either not teal or is teal sowing misinfo.

Red points at mafia activity, yellow points at cult activity.

[Drained of Blood] seems to be the nightkill, and Mindless Thrall seems to be the culting.

See above.

[X] Null
[x] Lynch TheMaskedReader

Honestly. I would prefer a nanimani lynch over them, just looking through the thread. Their arguments appear to have more substance than they actually do, which is never a good sign; it's the opposite of the balance town wants to strike, or at least off orthagonal to it. However, I also don't like TMR's posting overly. Particularly their reads list is somewhat useless; not abnormal for day one reads, no, but still not enough to make me want to save them.

As much as I hate doing this, I'm going to claim: I am a tracker. It's not a great power role, honestly, so it's not too big adeal to have to claim, I suppose, but It's somewhat unfortunate. I'm a quiet tracker, as seems to be the usual for SV, and I am a member of the king's Court.

QTesseract claims.

@TheMaskedReader has been lynched and was Roasted Alive by the Court. They were Cain, Crown Prince

We learn the crown prince died.

@Yun has been [Pierced by Holy Magics], they were Relgar, King of Xalistra

We learn the king died.

Unfortunately, we don't have any power claims from them, making it less clear what town had and thus what claims are more likely to be faked.

@ComiTurtle has had their [Heart Stabbed and Throat Slit], they were Dvalinn, Ambassador of Lavisgran

Similarly for this ambassador character.

I caught a power role last night, but not either one of the killers so not going to out them unless I have to or I get their permission.

I'm the royal advisor, name of Melbor.

QTesseract's name claim.

As the First Princess and the game's watcher, I can say he visited Nictis.

Nani's claim.

Alright, I am going to claim so you vets can sort things out with this information.

I am General Tanabris of the 1st File and I have two powers/abilities or whatever you call them. The first ability to intercept an action meant for my troops (aka lightning rod). The second is a heirloom that is passed down to each General of the 1st File that protects me from vampires and other evil creatures when I am protecting my troops (aka immunity to vampire actions that I redirect to me with my lightning rod).

I used my lightning rod on Nictis last night to protect him from being culted if he wasn't already part of the cult. I thought I visited him, but re-reading the fluff made me realise that I hadn't. I used my lightning rod on him when we were heading back to our rooms and making it so that anyone visiting Nictis would visit me instead. I have checked with Cyricubed and any watching AND tracking actions would be redirected towards me so if QT tracked Nictis and Nami watched Nictis, then they would have both ended up watching me instead from what Cyricubed told me when I inquired further about how my lightning rod power worked.

However, no one visited me last night or at least if they did, I didn't detect them doing so. That is why I know that Nictis wasn't culted during the night because if he had been targeted by that action, it would have been redirected to me so I would have been culted if it wasn't for my second ability protecting from vampires from actions that I redirect to myself. I cannot say what Nictis did last night or if they are already culted, but they did not get culted last night.

My initial theory was that I lightning rod-ed Nictis and QT detected me doing so due to being re-directed. Under that assumption, QT and I being the ones who visited Nictis with QT detecting me with their ability and me figuring out it was QT from their posts in the thread.

Right now, I have no clue what happened so I am lying my cards out on the table to avoid town killing town from me concealing potentially important information.

Oshha's rather dramatic claim.

The same thing I do every night, Pinky.

Also holy shit I got on a plane and come back to this clusterfuck. Gonna need a bit to analyze everything.

Possible low key power claim.

I've told you twice why I don't/didn't have time for that (I'm going home now) and I really don't think putting anyone at -1 is a good idea.

I don't actually trust you atm but I don't see any way I'm not dying (especially as I do not think DG is scum right now, though I obviously still haven't had time to check) so I might as well claim.

I am Natalia, Duchess of Boktor. I'm constantly invited to the court because I rule one of the major duchies. I'm old and my only skill is debating (i.e. I'm vanilla Town).

Absum's claim, later proven town. By death. That means we had at least one actual vanilla, and I would bet on at least two.

@DimensionalGuy has been found with their [Heart Stabbed and Throat Slit]. They were Laine, Queen of Xalistra and quite obviously a Vampire

The Queen was a Vampire.

This is important, as it means our remaining royal claim (and indeed any future ones) are not above suspicion

No, I get that part of your argument? I'm just confused as to why I would kill DG of all people when I got a wagon started on him the previous day, I have been notably suspicious of him, and even after I kill him as SK I note my suspicions of him? What is even the point of doing that, from your perspective?

Also will be interested in your thoughts on me and 1K after you're done with that, since this is looking like it might be a 1v1 today, though it's still early.

My thoughts are complicated. I didn't take proper notes since I was at first observing casually and in my latest pass looking for claims to compile.

Let's see what we have so far.

Grabbing the player list...

1. @ComiTurtle has had their [Heart Stabbed and Throat Slit] Night 1, they were Dvalinn, Ambassador of Lavisgran, a member of the Court
Unknown role. At a guess, a second vanilla.
2. @Nictis
No claim.
3. @QTesseract
Claims Royal Advisor Melbor, Tracker.
4. @Happerry
No claim.
5. @TheMaskedReader has been lynched and was Roasted Alive by the Court Day 1. They were Cain, Crown Prince, a member of the Court
Unknown role. Likely power role based on royalty, but could have been a vanilla, day end didn't reference known skills or whatever.
6. @Nanimani
Claims First Princess, hasn't offered a name. Interestingly, a first princess could be taken to imply that there's a second. Note as per the Queen that royalty absolutely could be scum.
7. @Dovah
No claim. Honestly reviewing during the night I had a strong suspicion of them that I realized was baseless, which was a fun bit of confusion. I will neither confirm nor deny the reason until I see need to claim.
8. @Broken Base
No claim.
9. @Absum has been lynched and was Roasted Alive by the Court Day 2. They were Natalia, Duchess of Boktor, a member of the Court
Claimed Vanilla, town death implies claim was honest.
10. @Terrabrand
Me. Very important power role and/or vanilla and/or paranoid gun owner, let's go scum. But in seriousnesss I haven't settled whether I should claim or not so obviously I'm leaving this at 'no claim' for now.
11. @DimensionalGuy has had their [Heart Stabbed and Throat Slit] Night 2, They were Laine, Queen of Xalistra, a Vampire
The Queen. Marked as a Vampire. This implies royalty isn't automatically town.
12. @Yun has been [Pierced by Holy Magics] Night 1, they were Relgar, King of Xalistra, a member of the Court
The King. Strongly suspect power role of unknown nature, but no claim to judge it by.
13. @Oshha
Claims General Tanabris of the First File. Lightning Rod that blocks cult. Barring expectation of Watching, this is the safest, if not neccesarily best, cult target. I was strongly reading them as scum, honestly, but that idea was thrown by 'there's strong evidence they were town at least until night 2'. We'd basically need, what, QT and Nani in on it? Not likely.
14. @1KBestK
No claim.

Things to note; we have 9 alive, three of the living have claimed power roles. This leaves me knowing four of the living, assuming claims are honest.

Problems:

We have no claim from any of Broken Base, Nictis, 1k, Dovah, Happery, or myself.

Oshha is the only claim we can mostly trust, and we have no evidence he is still town- there's too much corroborating it.

Nanimani almost certainly has the power they claim, but I strongly suspect they might be some kind of... radical vampire hunter or something out to kill their mother. More on that later.

QTesseract, as pointed out, could simply be claiming the results his cultees deliver to fake tracker. He's done more with less. I'd... have to double check the days to check if that's plausible given the lightning rod kerfluffle.

Even if he was town, could be culted.

And, critically, any given claim could be true and they still be scum- not only is this probably a cult game, but serial killers have often been allowed some form of multi night action and if part of a group they could have taken the action specified while their teammate killed.

With only one scum dead, we have likely between 2 (two man maf or surviving SK and unlucky original cultist if two man cult who never culted) and 4 (2 man maf and a culting+ original cultist surviving or serial killer and 2 cultings) scum left.

Even with 2 scum, we have 7 town alive, and myslynching means losing likely 2+ town before next cycle. With four scum, we could be in lylo or at least mylo already.

This means we may be at the stage of a mass claim. I'm unsure.

My unrefined gut reads;

Nictis: Lean Scum. He was in the big kerfluffle that at best proved he hadn't been culted and could leave him as maf/sk or original cult member.

Dovah: Null. I had lean town read before I noticed a thing but that thing was false but my review pushed him back to null, as I wasn't entirely sure why I'd been town reading him.

Terrabrand: Me. I would fully understand demanding I claim since, you know. you've got shit on me from swarmingu dropping and things are getting tight, but of course I would claim town.

Oshha: I honestly keep scum reading his first two days but he's got the closest to an airtight case in terms of powers.

QTesseract: Null read. Good enough to appear town even as scum, no mechanical info to strongly suggest he is town nor responsibility for scum death.

Happerry: Moderate scum. I keep not finding any evidence they're town, they keep slipping under my notice, I keep forgetting them, and don't have other evidence in their favor.

Nanimani: Moderate town. I can see a fluff case for 'prophetic abilities caused them to notice mother is a vampire' or some such making them go crazy SK, but I'm not reading them as an SK by play so it seems... less likely.

1KBestK: Mostly null. Lean Not Teal, for reasons.

Broken Base: I was gutreading the start of day as suspect but honestly I don't have a strong read here.

I... kinda feel like the BB/1K conflict might be town/town.

Having put out my gut reads...

[X] Null

[X] Lynch Happerry

My strongest negative read certainly seems to demand at least forcing a claim barring further info coming out.
 
That's a good point. I'm suspicious of 1kbestK over you, but I think I do want a claim from at least one of @Terrabrand , @Nictis , or @BB . I'm willing to stake that at least one of you is scum, and thus far I have nothing from almost any of you, least of all terrabrand (although he at least has an excuse). Honestly I don't need claims from all three, but I do need something to work with here rather than 3 ?s from the strongest vets.
 
That's a good point. I'm suspicious of 1kbestK over you, but I think I do want a claim from at least one of @Terrabrand , @Nictis , or @BB . I'm willing to stake that at least one of you is scum, and thus far I have nothing from almost any of you, least of all terrabrand (although he at least has an excuse). Honestly I don't need claims from all three, but I do need something to work with here rather than 3 ?s from the strongest vets.
On the topic of claims...

If whoever is the holy magic kill is a one shot, please claim now. We can safely assume that kill was originally town, and thus eliminate them from Original Cultist or Teal.

If they are not a one shot, they should not claim.

If they were a one shot vig kill we can at least narrow the field that way. But we don't need to tell cult, if they can indeed still cult (eg if new cultists can cult or there was more than one original member or whatever, we don't know for sure atm), who to cult for the vig.
 
DIMENSIONAL GUY POSTS


Dimensional included everyone here, so there is no chance of him being deceptive and leaving anyone out. They sadly didn't list anybody as particularly suspect, who I could thus strike out. They listed in gradations of town and null. I might put the town-reads ahead of the null reads in terms of suspiciousness, which would mean {1K, me, Ossha} are probably the most suspicious on that front with a vague nod toward Nani and Q, though I doubt that Oshha has been recruited; it's possible I guess, since he was the only one DG gave super town vibes to. But unlikely.

I find it it likely that he split up cult and his buddies by having one in the town slot and 1-2 in the null slot. Which would make 1-2 of {Nictis, Happerry, Dovah, Swarm} scum.

I'm skeptical of Nictis cult for a reason I'm going to get into in the future, which would make it {Happerry, Dovah, Swarm}. Happerry and Dovah are likelier picks for recruitment, in my opinion.

Well, of course he could. If Nani is correct, then Nictis is part of the cult, and would of course support the claims of his fellow cultist. Not saying that Nani is correct, but Nictis word isn't really good evidence for this situation.

This doesn't feel like something somebody would say about a cult buddy. And in general his soft approval of the "Let's lynch veterans!" argument makes me suspect that his buddies are elsewhere.

Anyway, it seems that there is a fundamental discrepancy between QT and Nani, one of them is certainly a liar, and thus probably scum. Gonna think it over during the night.

To me, in retrospect, this reads like a "I don't care which dies, a dead PR is fine by me." So if Q or Nani were recruited, they were recruited last niht, and not N1. Given that they had N1 results, though, this was probable regardless. And given DG's wagon on Q, him recruiting Q N1 seems ridiculously unlikely; he was likely digging for more information on them and if they'd make a good pick later, or trying to ring a lynch on somebody most players would suspect.

There isn't too much here, but I would say

1 of {me, 1K, Oshha} is cult for almost certain; much more confident about Ossha being town than 1K.

1-2 of {Happerry, Dovah, Swarm} are scum. I'm leaning toward 2, because I don't believe Nictis is cult, I know I'm not cult, and I don't think Oshha is cult, especially given the vote on DG yesterday. So... hm. It's also possible a recruitment failed somehow, I suppose? IDK how that would work, though.

Nani and Q were absolutely not cult D2, it's possible one of them was culted N2 though. Hard to say. If one of them is cult, then {Happerry, Dovah, Swarm} is almost certainly just one. Nictis I doubt is cult, but closer to a wildcard than Nani or Q. And if he is cult, see previous thought.

In any case, the only person that voted with me on DG is Oshha, who certainly isn't SK (another reason I wouldn't kill DG, by this reasoning why would I narrow the field so blatantly?). I might go see who was suspicious of ComiTurtle, since that is the other likely SK kill, given that the flavor matches? I recall QT being suspicious, but unless Tracker-SK is a thing they can't be, and I doubt it from their play in general. And I don't recall anybody else noting Comi is suspicious, which makes me think it likely that the SK isn't sharing their targets in-thread like a good sport, and this avenue of questioning is probably a dead end.

I'm intrigued by the SK arguments at present, though I'm not strictly convinced of them, and going through all these posts still seems like a daunting prospect. I'll maybe give that a try later tonight. Also if the town wants me to I'm willing to claim.

I... kinda feel like the BB/1K conflict might be town/town.

I'm interested in expansion on this. A lot of my reads have been a bit funky this game so I'm willing to admit that I might be off here, but I'm going to need to be convinced of it.
 
My strongest negative read certainly seems to demand at least forcing a claim barring further info coming out.
If you wish a claim, a claim I will provide. I am Varkistad the Guild-master, whom has money. Sadly, money isn't of use right now, so I have no special abilities at all beyond my ability to vote. In other words, I'm Vanilla.

Last night I was planning on voting on QT again, but I'm really not sure now with DimensionalGuy flipping vampire, as QT was being leaned on by DimensionalGuy. I mean that could be a bus type thing I guess, but that doesn't feel right? Not sure who's on top of my list right now. I still find the whole mess thing to be a thing, but I'm less leaning on QTesseract now. Could still be the SK as suggested, but generally I'd think QTesseract would be less likely to make himself a target through that targeting? And I was originally planning on pushing on Oshha some more because post 428 felt wierd, but the hubdub made it unlikely he was a baddy then. Might be now of course, depending on if he got hit tonight, but prooobably wasn't then unless things are really weird.

I wanted to go back and look at ComiTurtles posts to figure out who would want them dead, but they never really got out of meme posting so that's essentially a wash. Unless the two Meme-Ey claims that Pawn was evil is the reason, but that's extra meh.

Also, for reference, here's DimensionalGuy's old list, which might be more interesting now that we know of their vampireness.
 
The only reason I'm hesitating on claiming is because I'm paranoid cult can still recruit and I don't want to give them more information; I honestly don't see overmuch advantage a Maf or SK can make of a massclaim at this point when we have so many PRs actively running around, and so I want a broad idea of town consensus on the topic and if nobody else is afraid of that, I'm willing to oblige.
 
I'm interested in expansion on this. A lot of my reads have been a bit funky this game so I'm willing to admit that I might be off here, but I'm going to need to be convinced of it.

*pops back in earlier than planned* it's vague gutread mostly but basically I feel like neither of you is pushing things in a scummy way and have limited circumstantial evidence that each is less likely to be scum. That's all I've really got that I can articulate.
 
Well. That's... less than I had hoped. Nothing since my last post.

I want to say now so people don't assume I'm lying if I fail at it that while I keep saying 'I should review and take notes or something' I'm not sure I care enough to prioritize doing that. It's optimal play but there's always other stuff to focus on. It's entirely possible I'll keep relying on my gut through to my death or the end of the game.
 
It's entirely possible I'll keep relying on my gut through to my death or the end of the game.

Well I can hardly criticize you for that this game. :p

Though can you flesh out what you would expect to see from 1K if she were scum? Like, I'm trying to look at this from the angle of her being town, especially since I was wrong about her when I was similarly determined last game. And I'm... just not seeing it? When you combine that with her fervent defense of DG at the beginning of D2, that I think she fits that sweet spot DG would probably go for in terms of recruits, her placement on DG's reads list... idk I'm worried I'm conf-biasing myself here and would like some dissenting opinions.
 
In terms of the Happerry and Nictis arguments... I kind of see them, but I'm unconvinced they're wagon worthy? I'll try and look at Nictis tomorrow because 69 posts y i k e s

But if I can't sleep I'll take a look at Happerry's body of work tonight. My initial impression was not too much there but what I did see I liked. I'll take another look-see and see if I see where Terra is coming from.
 
Well I can hardly criticize you for that this game. :p

Though can you flesh out what you would expect to see from 1K if she were scum? Like, I'm trying to look at this from the angle of her being town, especially since I was wrong about her when I was similarly determined last game. And I'm... just not seeing it? When you combine that with her fervent defense of DG at the beginning of D2, that I think she fits that sweet spot DG would probably go for in terms of recruits, her placement on DG's reads list... idk I'm worried I'm conf-biasing myself here and would like some dissenting opinions.
I'm honestly not sure what I would expect and frankly you are doing a pretty good job of talking me around to 'maybe she is scum'.

I guess I just find it odd that Scum!Broken Base would go after 1k if they hadn't yet claimed, which they haven't, or vice versa for the same.

Like, it'd be easier for a scum player to, say, go after me first. Given I just replaced in, and even me claiming would at least let them know what to worry about. Or else focus on, I dunno, Dovah, who has self admitted a less than desirable level of activity.

Or try to sow paranoia on QTesseract or Nani or one of the other power claims.

It seems odd to me as either side of this particular disagreement being scum while specifically reacting to the other this way.

But maybe I'm just misreading the situation. I've admitted I'm leaving on my gut more than optimal already, after all.
 
Phoneposting with a lot to catch up on. So... Probably messy with the quotes. I know I accidentally deleted one that might have been important.

and it feels to me a bit too coincidental that Broken Base would want DimensionalGuy dead and then he would die to teal.
... But that's too obvious though? What kind of Serial Killer would openly say that they suspect the people they're killing when they know they can't claim Vigilante?
but Dovah claimed roleblocked openly which reduces, though does not eliminate,
Mmm, no. I think we actually had this issue fairly recently where I had to explain that the most blatantly scummy thing to do is not claim blocked because it forces a claim and makes you an obvious suspect so scum always opens up with it for easy credit.
I was disabled by some sort of siren's song last night - it was flavored as me hearing music and falling asleep.
Also this. I don't recall Dovah ever claiming to have been blocked?
Nictis, though. Nictis is suspicious. Nictis is a high level player. When summoned to weigh in on my Nani push, they said ... nothing. Nothing at all.
Piss off, I said I was at work. I had half a minute to load up the thread and less to read. There were three pages to read through when I opened it originally and I only got time to read after the Day had ended.
I'd... have to double check the days to check if that's plausible given the lightning rod kerfluffle
He knew that Oshha targeted me but thought I targeted me. QTesseract is definite Town unless if Oshha was lying about their Vampire immunity.
Nanimani: --, claimed Watcher
Proven Watcher. They shared QT's visit before it was explained.
Nictis: --, no claim, will address later

Nanimani almost certainly has the power they claim, but I strongly suspect they might be some kind of... radical vampire hunter or something out to kill their mother. More on that later.
... "They're a Watcher, but also the Serial Killer."
Blast forgot to actually note down; and got free not even claiming anything.

It proves little, made him center of attention, and yet pulled no info from him.
... When was this again? No, really. When was I the center of attention such that I would have been expected to claim? I'm not even sure I got a single vote Day 2. So what did I "Get Free" from?
If whoever is the holy magic kill is a one shot, please claim now. We can safely assume that kill was originally town, and thus eliminate them from Original Cultist or Teal.
I'll be honest, you just shot my townread of you in the heart here.
This doesn't feel like something somebody would say about a cult buddy. And in general his soft approval of the "Let's lynch veterans!" argument makes me suspect that his buddies are elsewhere.
Who was it that excluded DG from the Veteran list during that again?
So... hm. It's also possible a recruitment failed somehow, I suppose? IDK how that would work, though.
Cooldown/Oshha Interference.
If you wish a claim, a claim I will provide. I am Varkistad the Guild-master, whom has money. Sadly, money isn't of use right now, so I have no special abilities at all beyond my ability to vote. In other words, I'm Vanilla.
No, bad. Scum is trying to narrow down who the vig is and if they're still a threat.
 
Current main suspects are Dovah and Terra, gonna switch to my laptop to make a proper post. Give me a few minutes.
 
Or try to sow paranoia on QTesseract or Nani or one of the other power claims.

I mean I don't think we should mindlessly trust Nani- he himself admited he'd be a decent choice for Cult N2, as would Oshha (I think he claimed lightning rod? Even if he wouldn't be considered as valuable an asset it's a nasty power cult would want to be rid of). Q still seems like himself (I say as he's the one pushing hardest against me xP) but honestly I wouldn't mind seeing action results if they wouldn't reveal anything we don't want revealed; a lot of their innocence is going to be contingent on PR consistency and their actions making sense, after all. I don't really see any of them as an SK though- I could maybe see utility in giving the SK tracker abilities, but it's a bit of a stretch, and watcher feels right out. Ossha's role feels like something too creative for a newbie to fake, but to be fair he could have potentially receievd coaching. It seems like a weird time to make the claim too, though. Out of the PRs he's the one I trust the most, but again, could be recruited.

If it's not an SK but a mafia (this seems slightly scum-sided but it does depend on how many cultists we're dealing with) then I could definitely see a scum tracker, even if there are better powers. Scum watcher I'm much more hesitant about on a team of... 2 probably? Feels like there's better things for Maf to have.

Like if I were to rank them

1. Nani
2. Q
3. Ossha

You can't be too paranoid in a cult game after all! xP

But I think there's other avenues we can explore for the moment, even if we definitely shouldn't be counting them out.
 
Who was it that excluded DG from the Veteran list during that again?

Nani did it first, and then Q followed. This admittedly does make me raise an eyebrow, on the other hand- what is the rule on results when culted? Because a lot of my security in Q and Nani atm is that I don't know that they'd simultaneously get results and be culted. How safe an assumption is that?
 
Mmm, no. I think we actually had this issue fairly recently where I had to explain that the most blatantly scummy thing to do is not claim blocked because it forces a claim and makes you an obvious suspect so scum always opens up with it for easy credit.

Given the public theorizing as to if the roleblock was town or scum and the fact that this was in a game with three teams, it would be entirely possible for one flavor of scum to not claim and hope to lay low.

Also this. I don't recall Dovah ever claiming to have been blocked?

Let me remind you then;

Ehhh, you know, there's multiple schools of thought. I know JBJ agrees with me, and I think Pawn does as well--Vigilante should be used every turn. If you don't know who to kill, act as a second lynch--in this case you would've killed QTess.

As for me, I was roleblocked. Based wholly on flavor, I ... think it was a Town action, which is honestly deeply worrying as to the strength of the scum, because that's one of the stronger Town powers, excluding Doctor and outright Cop.

Actually, no, rereading I'd liken it to a siren or Pan's Flute effect, so maybe not Town. Obviously it's a bit ambiguous.

Like. Dovah himself marked it as ambiguous, and there'd be a case to be made for hoping it's Other Scum action they would refuse to claim if he kept quiet.


... When was this again? No, really. When was I the center of attention such that I would have been expected to claim? I'm not even sure I got a single vote Day 2. So what did I "Get Free" from?

That's a misreading of my point. You were highly active and in the spotlight, but all the actual focus as far as 'people being scummy' was on people around you.

We pretty well established you probably didn't get culted, but I feel like people are giving you entirely too much town credit from 'a town role made sure he wasn't culted but could easily be a starting scum of some kind'.

I mean I don't think we should mindlessly trust Nani- he himself admited he'd be a decent choice for Cult N2, as would Oshha (I think he claimed lightning rod? Even if he wouldn't be considered as valuable an asset it's a nasty power cult would want to be rid of)

Cult stopping lightning rod effect. As I said, arguably the safest action to take.
 
Like. Dovah himself marked it as ambiguous, and there'd be a case to be made for hoping it's Other Scum action they would refuse to claim if he kept quiet.
Also, a Cult Player might attempt to bait out a claim to be able to lock down the roleblocker for culting, and this was early in the day, before Oshha was a known issue.
 
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