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Shattered Justice (A Persona Quest)

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[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san

No invisible shinies, so why not two birds with one stone? Introduce Morgana to Shinjiro as a sign of trust, and thus having someone else to keep Morgana out of trouble.

We can practice with our powers pretty much whenever, but we've little means of stopping Morgana from exploring the Dark Hour alone. I honestly don't get all the Morgana hate, and purely pragmatically he's more valuable alive anyways.
 
Kkutlord said:
[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san

No invisible shinies, so why not two birds with one stone? Introduce Morgana to Shinjiro as a sign of trust, and thus having someone else to keep Morgana out of trouble.

We can practice with our powers pretty much whenever, but we've little means of stopping Morgana from exploring the Dark Hour alone. I honestly don't get all the Morgana hate, and purely pragmatically he's more valuable alive anyways.
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There are people who hate him because they find him too... idiotic, let's go with it. I'm not one of them, I actually like Morgana. Doesn't change the fact that he can be an idiot, and his ability to control his mouth is similar to the Ryuji 'Megafon' Sakamoto...
 
Hejtan said:
There are people who hate him because they find him too... idiotic, let's go with it. I'm not one of them, I actually like Morgana. Doesn't change the fact that he can be an idiot, and his ability to control his mouth is similar to the Ryuji 'Megafon' Sakamoto...
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Kind of silly hating someone who doesn't know you even exist. I've gotten up to Sae's Palace, and never really had issue with him. Granted, I don't really hate like that at all, but it seems unproductive regardless.
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    -[X] Cruel Attack
    [X] Try to find yourself some sort of weapon.
    [X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
    -[X] Just start with one.
    --[X] Shinjiro-san
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Adhoc vote count started by Kkutlord on May 15, 2019 at 5:00 PM, finished with 1479 posts and 5 votes.
  • [X] Get more practice with your powers, so you can fight better.
    -[X] Cruel Attack
    [X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
    -[X] Just start with one.
    --[X] Shinjiro-san
    [X] Try to find yourself some sort of weapon.
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[] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[] Just start with one.
--[] Shinjiro-san
 
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SeekerofDreams said:
Age: 9
Arcana: Justice (VIII)
Max HP: 30
Max SP: 51
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Holy fucking shit how many levels did we grab? We got an extra 13 HP and a whopping additional 28 SP. That triples our Zio usage and Bumps Dia's 3 uses with no SP healing to 8 uses.
Kkutlord said:
[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san

No invisible shinies, so why not two birds with one stone? Introduce Morgana to Shinjiro as a sign of trust, and thus having someone else to keep Morgana out of trouble.

We can practice with our powers pretty much whenever, but we've little means of stopping Morgana from exploring the Dark Hour alone. I honestly don't get all the Morgana hate, and purely pragmatically he's more valuable alive anyways.
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I'm one of those people that hate Morgana. But my vehement refusal to let the cat interact with literally anyone part of SEES is ground in logic. The cat doesn't stop opening his mouth and has an ego problem. He'll probably talk about time travel and blow our secret out of the water like his own. Not only that, he gets the faintest whiff is Itsuki(or however you spell his name) and the cat WILL try something with the man.

Also, Shinjiro is the absolute worst person to trust this with. Not because he's untrustworthy, but because that says we trust him and that's just more mental trauma pressing we shouldn't be doing at the moment.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Holy fucking shit how many levels did we grab? We got an extra 13 HP and a whopping additional 28 SP. That triples our Zio usage and Bumps Dia's 3 uses with no SP healing to 8 uses.
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I think it's more likely we probably went from 0 to 1.

Also, Sorry, but I think Shinjiro is the best of five options here.
Assuming Morgana spills the beans:
The entire team would be silenced by an angry Mitsuru, as we ignored her and fought in the dark hour.
Going to Mitsuru herself is even worse than the whole team, as she'd be able to do as she wishes without worrying about her image to others.
Going to Akihiko will either, A inspire him to train with him, or B have him ask us to join him on not OK journeys through the dark hour.
Going to Shinjiro will probably harm his esteem some, but if he reflects (Big if though) it would only affirm that we like him for him.
The only remaining option is to have that damn cat drag us himself, rather than someone more equipped for the dark hour. I like this one the least, because if there's one thing Morgana is consistently portrayed as on the internet, it's a pushy, cocky, not-person with an awkward tendency to damage people indirectly.

[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san
 
Mean, we can just stress how nobody at SEES are time travelers. Explain something about Ikutsuki rubs us the wrong way, but that's exactly why Morgana should ignore him.

Overall, so long as we properly explain things and warn him, Morgana should get it. Maybe bring up our poor outing as further evidence Morgana should listen to Ken.

So far, the only actually stupid thing he tried was poke Tartarus, and ultimately he listened to Ken with minimal difficulty. Sure it wasn't logical just hopping up to Akira, but that was more Morgana being desperate & alone.

He likely hadn't properly examined himself yet, as it seems he suffered power-loss as well. That group of Shadows should of been cake for him solo. So even poking at Tartarus was likely him thinking he was still strong.
Adhoc vote count started by Kkutlord on May 16, 2019 at 12:39 PM, finished with 1498 posts and 11 votes.
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Jackofcookiejars said:
I think it's more likely we probably went from 0 to 1.

Also, Sorry, but I think Shinjiro is the best of five options here.
Assuming Morgana spills the beans:
The entire team would be silenced by an angry Mitsuru, as we ignored her and fought in the dark hour.
Going to Mitsuru herself is even worse than the whole team, as she'd be able to do as she wishes without worrying about her image to others.
Going to Akihiko will either, A inspire him to train with him, or B have him ask us to join him on not OK journeys through the dark hour.
Going to Shinjiro will probably harm his esteem some, but if he reflects (Big if though) it would only affirm that we like him for him.
The only remaining option is to have that damn cat drag us himself, rather than someone more equipped for the dark hour. I like this one the least, because if there's one thing Morgana is consistently portrayed as on the internet, it's a pushy, cocky, not-person with an awkward tendency to damage people indirectly.

[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san
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Kkutlord said:
Mean, we can just stress how nobody at SEES are time travelers. Explain something about Ikutsuki rubs us the wrong way, but that's exactly why Morgana should ignore him.

Overall, so long as we properly explain things and warn him, Morgana should get it. Maybe bring up our poor outing as further evidence Morgana should listen to Ken.

So far, the only actually stupid thing he tried was poke Tartarus, and ultimately he listened to Ken with minimal difficulty. Sure it wasn't logical just hopping up to Akira, but that was more Morgana being desperate & alone.

He likely hadn't properly examined himself yet, as it seems he suffered power-loss as well. That group of Shadows should of been cake for him solo. So even poking at Tartarus was likely him thinking he was still strong.
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You guys have to much faith in the cat. And are forgetting it's Shinjiro. Yes, out of all of them, Shinjiro is the most trustworthy. The problem however, is that Shinjiro has mental trauma himself that constantly acts up whenever we're around. Now, in reply to that you're probably going to say something like "This shows we trust him" or "This shows we like him" or something like that. The thing is, that's the problem. There's a reason Shinjiro is in therapy. Ken liking or trusting him? That just makes his constant guilt worse. It pours salt on that wound he has. Hating him isn't any better, but the implications of telling him is not going to go well with him.

And it doesn't matter that we tell the cat to avoid Ikutsuki. He'll most likely go after him. Remember, this is the same cat that runs away when he realizes he's not the best thing since slice bread to someone he can convince he's the best thing since sliced bread. He only "listened" to us because his cocky, self absorbed ego thought that he'd be able to convince us to go to the Shadow Nest after showing off his strength. And I do mean cocky. Ken, who doesn't have much experience using his powers, can tell when he's getting low on SP. But the cat either couldn't or ignored that he did to appear great. He'll go after Ikutsuki because he assumes he can, despite all evidence saying otherwise.

Also, assuming by some miracle he doesn't go after Ikutsuki, the risk of him blabbing about being a time traveler is still to great to me. Again, citing his ego that makes him desire heavily to be special in the eyes of others. Even if he doesn't tell everyone about our own time traveling, he'll brag about his own. Brag about the Phantom Thieves. Hell, I'd need to check, but I'm pretty sure he bragged about being part of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts before even learning we were also a time traveler. And even Shinjiro will tell at least Mitsuru about Morgana because Shinjiro can be responsible at times and a time traveling cat is definitely something at least Mitsuru should be aware of in his mind. Especially since Morgana can also sense Shadows.

So no. Bringing the cat to anyone in SEES is a bad idea.
 
DarkKing98 said:
You guys have to much faith in the cat. And are forgetting it's Shinjiro. Yes, out of all of them, Shinjiro is the most trustworthy. The problem however, is that Shinjiro has mental trauma himself that constantly acts up whenever we're around. Now, in reply to that you're probably going to say something like "This shows we trust him" or "This shows we like him" or something like that. The thing is, that's the problem. There's a reason Shinjiro is in therapy. Ken liking or trusting him? That just makes his constant guilt worse. It pours salt on that wound he has. Hating him isn't any better, but the implications of telling him is not going to go well with him.

And it doesn't matter that we tell the cat to avoid Ikutsuki. He'll most likely go after him. Remember, this is the same cat that runs away when he realizes he's not the best thing since slice bread to someone he can convince he's the best thing since sliced bread. He only "listened" to us because his cocky, self absorbed ego thought that he'd be able to convince us to go to the Shadow Nest after showing off his strength. And I do mean cocky. Ken, who doesn't have much experience using his powers, can tell when he's getting low on SP. But the cat either couldn't or ignored that he did to appear great. He'll go after Ikutsuki because he assumes he can, despite all evidence saying otherwise.

Also, assuming by some miracle he doesn't go after Ikutsuki, the risk of him blabbing about being a time traveler is still to great to me. Again, citing his ego that makes him desire heavily to be special in the eyes of others. Even if he doesn't tell everyone about our own time traveling, he'll brag about his own. Brag about the Phantom Thieves. Hell, I'd need to check, but I'm pretty sure he bragged about being part of the Phantom Thieves of Hearts before even learning we were also a time traveler. And even Shinjiro will tell at least Mitsuru about Morgana because Shinjiro can be responsible at times and a time traveling cat is definitely something at least Mitsuru should be aware of in his mind. Especially since Morgana can also sense Shadows.

So no. Bringing the cat to anyone in SEES is a bad idea.
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The other option is the cat dying or getting us killed.
Which do you prefer, SEES or death?
 
Jackofcookiejars said:
The other option is the cat dying or getting us killed.
Which do you prefer, SEES or death?
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How about the third option of living? Because you'll know what'll happen when SEES finds out? Ikutsuki will find out. And the man is not above murdering a child. So basically, you're asking if I want death, or death. The best point of revealing who Morgana is to a member of SEES is either when we get strong enough to not die to Ikutsuki. Or when the P3 MC comes around and becomes SEES leader. Because the cat will open his mouth. It's not a matter of if, but a matter of when.

Honestly, I'm just waiting for the dumbass cat to find and approach Strega. Because he'll do it, no matter who we tell.
 
[X] Try to find yourself some sort of weapon.

Seems to me the fight was fine, we just blew all out SP like a dumb kitty and our shoes are not like, any kind of weapon.
 
[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san

...I'm convinced. The damn cat is going to get us killed and Shinjiro seems like the safest bet.
 
QueenPally said:
[X] Introduce Morgana to SEES.
-[X] Just start with one.
--[X] Shinjiro-san

...I'm convinced. The damn cat is going to get us killed and Shinjiro seems like the safest bet.
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Yes he will. If we introduce him to anyone in SEES. Seriously guys, Morgana is not going to keep his mouth shut about being a time traveler. And Shinjiro has enough common sense to tell SEES about a cat from the future. And that causes Ikutsuki to find out and kill us.
 
DarkKing98 said:
Yes he will. If we introduce him to anyone in SEES. Seriously guys, Morgana is not going to keep his mouth shut about being a time traveler. And Shinjiro has enough common sense to tell SEES about a cat from the future. And that causes Ikutsuki to find out and kill us.
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Well, Mr Evil Pun won't go kill us. He is much more likely to make our life as miserable as possible. Doesn't change the fact that we don't want him to know.
 
Hejtan said:
Well, Mr Evil Pun won't go kill us. He is much more likely to make our life as miserable as possible. Doesn't change the fact that we don't want him to know.
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We come from the future. A future where his plan presummebly fails and might be buying our time to find the right moment to stop him. I feel he'll try to get us killed. And we all know he'll learn about the time travel from Morgana because he won't keep his mouth shut upon learning that Mitsuru is also a sensor. Because he has an absolute need to be viewed as special.
 
DarkKing98 said:
We come from the future. A future where his plan presummebly fails and might be buying our time to find the right moment to stop him. I feel he'll try to get us killed. And we all know he'll learn about the time travel from Morgana because he won't keep his mouth shut upon learning that Mitsuru is also a sensor. Because he has an absolute need to be viewed as special.
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Would he actually be able to understand Morgana?
 
[X] Try to find yourself some sort of weapon

Do you guys honestly think SEES wouldn't tell him? I mean, time travelling talking cat from the future. I think SEES would tell him.
 
We can get a weapon later on, and hiding a spear will be difficult. Honestly, dealing with Morgana is the more time sensitive issue, as he'll still do stuff even if Ken ignores him.

Morgana has Knowledge 3, only beat out by Shinjiro's 4 and Mitsuru's 6. Ken and Morgana have the same Knowledge rank, so Morgana clearly isn't dumber than us. Ken started out with Empathy 2, so Morgana isn't worse off than we were.

Honestly, his Stats are better than Ken's were starting out. Really, it isn't that Morgana is stupid or a jerk. He can be reasoned with easily enough, as shown by how willingly he went with Ken's various requests (leave Akira alone for now/come along to the shrine/don't poke Tartarus).

As for picking Shinjiro, he has Empathy 6 compared to Mitsuru's 3 and Akihiko's 2. Plus having Knowledge 4 and Courage 5, I think we can convince Shinjiro to keep Morgana a secret for now.

EDIT: Apparently we only have Knowledge 2? Could of swore it Ranked up... Did we start at 1? Well, if we have just Knowledge 2, that means Morgana is actually smarter than Ken.
Adhoc vote count started by Kkutlord on May 16, 2019 at 1:00 PM, finished with 1501 posts and 12 votes.
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