Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

We're about to get an airforce before we get a cav force. Also I already want another map.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

Overmaxed at the moment so why not go for it.

[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
[X] [Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.

[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.

If we go to extra lengths we can add more options so might as well go for more. Don't see any harm in studying magic, and spiritual sounds cool but if there's a good argument against it I'll change my vote.

@Oshha Will the diplo hero do diplo stuff independently or do we need to have an action for it?

[X] [Policy] Defensive = Takes defensive martial actions.
[X] [Policy] Infrastructure = Focuses on building infrastructure.

Want to increase size of military so aren't outnumbered 6 to 1 next time. Also there's a large backlog in infrastructure at this point.

kobo said:

@Oshha Will the diplo hero do diplo stuff independently or do we need to have an action for it?

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Take Actions. Heroes can boost actions, but they don't do actions on their own.

Oshha said:

I've learnt not to assume that things I think are obvious are also obvious to all members of my voterbase

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Truly, Osha has grown in wisdom as a QM.



[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

[X] [Leadership] Decentralised localised leadership with each region having its own hierarchy that is equal to the hierarchies over regions.

[X] [Policy] Expansion = Focuses on settling new lands
[X] [Policy] Defensive = Takes defensive martial actions.


[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
[X] [Doctrine] Cosmopolitan. Tolerance and acceptance are the key and Arthrynites should be open to others to gain strength from their different ways.
[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.

Kiba said:

From discord:

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No action to colonize the new lands? *shakes head*

Actually, @Oshha, since they are such fundamental to our faith could we have only done both Equality and Community with Keep it Simple?

BlueFlamingWings said:

Actually, @Oshha, since they are such fundamental to our faith could we have only done both Equality and Community with Keep it Simple?

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No. One would take priority over the other. That said, both of them are will be significant parts of the religion resulting from any of the combinations due to being fundamental to the Arthrynite religion.

Vote is still open.
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Task: Religion
[X][Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)
No. of Votes: 13
[X][Religion] Keep things simple for now.
No. of Votes: 2

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[X][Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
No. of Votes: 13
[X][Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
No. of Votes: 11
[X][Doctrine] Cosmopolitan. Tolerance and acceptance are the key and Arthrynites should be open to others to gain strength from their different ways.
No. of Votes: 5
[X][Doctrine] Militant. The world is a harsh and cruel place and it is up to goddesses and their servants to protect their followers.
No. of Votes: 2
[X][Doctrine] Proselytising. Spreading the wisdom and prosperity of the goddesses should be the primary purpose of the Arthrynites.
No. of Votes: 2
[X][Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
No. of Votes: 2
[X][Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.
No. of Votes: 2
[X][Doctrine] Dogmatic. Unity is key and the Arthrynite religion should fellow one set of teachings as lain down by the goddesses.
No. of Votes: 1

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[X][Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.
No. of Votes: 10
[X][Leadership] Decentralised localised leadership with each region having its own hierarchy that is equal to the hierarchies over regions.
No. of Votes: 5
[X][Leadership] No formal leadership with all members of the priesthood being equal in power to each other.
No. of Votes: 1
[X][Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a head of religion in Greenbay.
No. of Votes: 1

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[X][Policy] Diplomacy = Focuses on engaging in diplomacy.
No. of Votes: 5
[X][Policy] Expansion = Focuses on settling new lands.
No. of Votes: 5
[X][Policy] Balanced = Does whatever seems reasonable.
No. of Votes: 4
[X][Policy] Defensive = Takes defensive martial actions.
No. of Votes: 4
[X][Policy] Infrastructure = Focuses on building infrastructure.
No. of Votes: 3
[X][Policy] Exploration = Focuses on exploring areas.
No. of Votes: 2
[X][Policy] Megaproject = Focuses on building megaprojects.
No. of Votes: 1
Total No. of Voters: 15

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.

[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.

[X] [Policy] Balanced = Does whatever seems reasonable.
[X] [Policy] Exploration = Focuses on exploring areas.
[X] [Policy] Infrastructure = Focuses on building infrastructure.
[X] [Policy] Study = Takes study actions.
[X] [Policy] Trade = Focusing on trade and wealth-increasing actions.

Come on people at the very least vote for adding studying magic to the religion

[X][Policy] Defensive = Takes defensive martial actions.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

[X] [Doctrine] Cosmopolitan. Tolerance and acceptance are the key and Arthrynites should be open to others to gain strength from their different ways.
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.

[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.

[X] [Policy] Balanced = Does whatever seems reasonable.
[X] [Policy] Exploration = Focuses on exploring areas.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Cosmopolitan. Tolerance and acceptance are the key and Arthrynites should be open to others to gain strength from their different ways.
[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.
[X] [Policy] Expansion = Focuses on settling new lands.

10ebbor10 said:

On a side note, how does that work with our noodly shape. Do slave traders/owners have to go around them? Or do they try to smuggle/sneak through.

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I imagine they go around and they grumble about having to do so. A few MIGHT try sneaking through but that's risky.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)
Because our Religion has been our true strength, past, present, and onwards to the future!
[X] [Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
Studying magic? Waging war? No, Let us focus our religion on what truly matters.
[X][Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.
...I'm rather tempted by the decentralised varient but given the ACTUAL ACTIVE GODDESSES, we can afford to go centralized on the mortal end, I think, since the chain goes all the way up!

[X][Policy] Defensive = Takes defensive martial actions.
Nothing is pressing, but I'm seeing a triple alliance on the horizon. Possibly more if the All-Boar takes offense to our growing spiritual power.
...Though building up the military IS tempting...

[X] [Religion] Keep things simple for now.
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Leadership] Decentralised localised leadership with each region having its own hierarchy that is equal to the hierarchies over regions.
[X] [Policy] Balanced = Does whatever seems reasonable.

Alright, given Equality and Community seem shoo ins I'll try voting for other Doctrines as well.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
[X][Doctrine] Proselytising. Spreading the wisdom and prosperity of the goddesses should be the primary purpose of the Arthrynites.
[X][Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
[X][Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.
[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy = Focuses on engaging in diplomacy.

Of these secondary Doctrines I think Proselytising is the most important one. It goes hand in hand with Diplomacy and spreading our culture via the Inspiration legacy.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

What is the primary doctrine of the Arthrynite religion?
[X] [Doctrine] Cosmopolitan. Tolerance and acceptance are the key and Arthrynites should be open to others to gain strength from their different ways.
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Proselytising. Spreading the wisdom and prosperity of the goddesses should be the primary purpose of the Arthrynites.
[X] [Doctrine] Dogmatic. Unity is key and the Arthrynite religion should fellow one set of teachings as lain down by the goddesses.

What sort of leadership shall the Arthrynite religion have?
[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.
[X] [Leadership] Decentralised localised leadership with each region having its own hierarchy that is equal to the hierarchies over regions.

You may change your Province Policy
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy = Focuses on engaging in diplomacy.
[X] [Policy] Exploration = Focuses on exploring areas.
[X] [Policy] Expansion = Focuses on settling new lands.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)
[X] [Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.

[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.
[X] [Policy] Study = Takes study actions.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

[X] [Doctrine] Proselytising. Spreading the wisdom and prosperity of the goddesses should be the primary purpose of the Arthrynites.
[X] [Doctrine] Cosmopolitan. Tolerance and acceptance are the key and Arthrynites should be open to others to gain strength from their different ways.
[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
[X] [Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.

[X] [Leadership] Decentralised localised leadership with each region having its own hierarchy that is equal to the hierarchies over regions.

[X] [Policy] Balanced = Does whatever seems reasonable.
[X] [Policy] Exploration = Focuses on exploring areas.
[X] [Policy] Infrastructure = Focuses on building infrastructure.
[X] [Policy] Megaproject = Focuses on building megaprojects.
[X] [Policy] Study = Takes study actions.

[X] [Policy] Infrastructure = Focuses on building infrastructure.
[X] [Policy] Exploration = Focuses on exploring areas.
[X] [Policy] Expansion = Focuses on settling new lands.

[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.

I'm going to appeal to people to avoid using expansion as a policy. For several reasons :

1) Expansion is dangerous. Every bit of land that expansion grabs is land/people that we have to defend. It's something we want to control..
2) Expansion is not efficient as a policy. Because of our high settling cost, it can't afford to utilize most of it's actions
3) Expansion can lock us into bad choices : Centralization is a limited resource that we can not easily recover. Expansion can settle areas and thus lock us into choices we don't want.
4) Expansion produces Econ and infrastructure debt. We have both in abundance, and don't need more.


From Discord :

It will safely expand until you can no longer safely expand at which point it will start unsafely expanding.

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Expansion will collapse our society if you give it the chance.

[X] [Religion] Go extra lengths to properly organise the Arthrynite religion into something more. (-2 Stability, -2 Diplo, -1 Martial, -3 Mystic, Chance of a Minor Crisis, Chance of a Major Crisis, Additional Doctrines)

I know this thread has a bad history with "go big or go home" type of choices, but with the overcapacity of stability, I say fuck it.

Go big or go home!

[X] [Doctrine] Equality. Treating everyone fairly is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should treat others as equals.
[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
[X] [Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.

Oh boy, this reform has all the traits of the new ck2 religion reform. One thing I know from experience is that cosmopolitan are terrible against foreign proselytizing and equality is pretty good for absolute cognatic.

[X] [Policy] Infrastructure = Focuses on building infrastructure.
[X] [Policy] Megaproject = Focuses on building megaprojects

Get some work done on the homefront or the law megaproject. Expanding now when the homefront is still sort of a mess is a bad idea.

taovkool said:

Oh boy, this reform has all the traits of the new ck2 religion reform. One thing I know from experience is that cosmopolitan are terrible against foreign proselytizing and equality is pretty good for absolute cognatic.

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Just to be clear, I am not basing the religious reforms of this quest on the religious reforms from CK2.

Oshha said:

I've learnt not to assume that things I think are obvious are also obvious to all members of my voterbase.

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Alright, that's fair enough. It just came off as incredibly condescending/deliberately obtuse.

[X] [Doctrine] Community. Valuing your community is one of Arthryn's oldest teachings and Arthrynites should strive to help their community.
[X] [Doctrine] Spiritual. Honouring the goddesses and following their teachings should be the main goal of an Arthrynite.
[X] [Doctrine] Magic. The Arthrynite religion shall look into studying the divine magic of the goddesses to unlock its benefits for its followers.

[X] [Leadership] Centralised leadership that has a hierarchy with a council in Greenbay at the top.

[X] [Policy] Diplomacy = Focuses on engaging in diplomacy.
[X] [Policy] Expansion = Focuses on settling new lands.