DanBaque
Let's Have Fun
- Location
- Occupied Catalonian Countries
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh nice, a new (well, new; you haven't written plans in a while) player! Good luck with whoever you pick
A Little Trouble in Big China - A Chinese Warlord Quest
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
yes for too long have I stayed on the sidelines allowing @Mortenkam practically complete control over the Qing.
Now I return to the frontlines to aid my fellow loyalists.
Together we shall restore the Mandate of Heaven and prevent the Middle Kingdom from falling into the hands of the Crimson Tyrants!
DanBaque
Let's Have Fun
- Location
- Occupied Catalonian Countries
- Pronouns
- He/Him
>crimson tyrants
>land reform
>literally the only democracy
???
Sad tbh, but you pick what you find most fun
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
>points toward Soviet Union
- Location
- Denmark
It seems like I will have some competition now.
So, @BurningLaugh, are you planning to make a plan for Prince Chun or someone else?
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
I wouldn't call myself competition more of an extra mind to help formulate plans.
Also @Dadarian is it possible for say...Me and Mortenkam to choose different people but have plans that complement and aid one another?
- Location
- Denmark
I do like the idea of having someone to discus my plans with.
DanBaque
Let's Have Fun
- Location
- Occupied Catalonian Countries
- Pronouns
- He/Him
I did that with Sheseyu (CCP), and Exterminatus (Borodin) with some things. But remember, the Qing only has so many resources, if you use 2 different people you may have more political weight behind your attempts, but the economy of the QIng that you can use for stuff is the same (unless your char also controls other areas that they can use; which is unlikely given that it's all already Chun's save some few warlords and other people's plans).
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
we've done it before
- Location
- Denmark
True, so what you think Qing ought to focus on this turn?
- Location
- Vicksburg, MS
If only you were set next to a bunch of rogues as handsome as they were flexible on moral matters! They might accidentally let all manner of goods slip on by to great markets of the Northeast, Korea and beyond if they were but distracted by counting up goods valued at a fraction of what Wu would take in tariffs. A shame, huh?Just a side question, how would the empire and the court react to armed conflict closer to home.
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
mending the relations between our two Marshalls is a definite.
more foreign support due to the Soviet's involvement; thinking trying to gain some British Intelligence, Prussian Discipline, and American...Righteous Fervor
a more stable and united nation so perhaps propaganda on Chinese History, Tradition, Daoism, Confucianism, Buddhism
perhaps trying to create a fascist ideology with Chinese characteristics to make a nationalized and militarized society that sees the Emperor as a Divine figure like in the past while also exalting military officers
breaking up the leftist coalition to form a coalition against the communist
bettering domestic affairs like industry, education, etc.
more foreign support due to the Soviet's involvement; thinking trying to gain some British Intelligence, Prussian Discipline, and American...Righteous Fervor
a more stable and united nation so perhaps propaganda on Chinese History, Tradition, Daoism, Confucianism, Buddhism
perhaps trying to create a fascist ideology with Chinese characteristics to make a nationalized and militarized society that sees the Emperor as a Divine figure like in the past while also exalting military officers
breaking up the leftist coalition to form a coalition against the communist
bettering domestic affairs like industry, education, etc.
- Location
- Denmark
I agree that the dispute between our two Marshalls is becoming a problem, though what makes is diffucult is it need to be handled OOC as much as IC.
More foreign support is always a good idea, that we got those concessions back were a good thing, though I am unsure why it happened, maybe it was something they did historicaly.
Improving popular support is definitely something we ought to do as the Qing, though I am unsure about going all traditionel to do so, since it might conflict with our attempts to modernize.
I am unsure about going actual fascists, though I do think that we ought be using nationalisme to our advantage.
If you are talking about breaking H-KMT off from CPC, then I do think it is a bit to late, and that it is easier to simply support K-KMT in their efforts to end the threat of communist.
Bettering domestic affairs always make sense.
More foreign support is always a good idea, that we got those concessions back were a good thing, though I am unsure why it happened, maybe it was something they did historicaly.
Improving popular support is definitely something we ought to do as the Qing, though I am unsure about going all traditionel to do so, since it might conflict with our attempts to modernize.
I am unsure about going actual fascists, though I do think that we ought be using nationalisme to our advantage.
If you are talking about breaking H-KMT off from CPC, then I do think it is a bit to late, and that it is easier to simply support K-KMT in their efforts to end the threat of communist.
Bettering domestic affairs always make sense.
BurningLaugh
Shape Shifting Master of Hiatus
- Location
- The Land of Retconnia
I'll trust you to write up a plan and then I'll make one with the adjustments I believe necessary
DanBaque
Let's Have Fun
- Location
- Occupied Catalonian Countries
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Liao Zhongkai
- [X] Plan Blue Star
Going to sleep now, but posting the base of this turns plan I'll write; happy to hear any other opinions and suggestions from other people/voters, though I won't be able to respond till tomorrow.
- [X] Plan Blue Star
- Once again, continue expanding the military industry in order to create more military equipment, including heavy (artillery, machine guns, planes..). Due to need of dispersing equipment, anarchists are allowed to disperse some industry to other areas, as long as the industry remains state-owned, state-directed, and the production remits to the state (with the workers paid by the state ofc).
- Liao Zhongkai once again (but this time together with Madame Sun Yat-Sen, in an attempt to call upon the unifying idea of Sun Yat-Sen) spends time making speeches calling for unity and praising the efforts of the people of the Republic, using propaganda examples of certain people, and handing out civilian medals. After all, the Republic is the only democratic polity in all of China, only we can defend the nation, serve its people and workers, and bring prosperity and national independence. Unity within the United Front is absolutely necessary, and the expansion hard work and unity of all members including the Anarchists must be applauded, showing that above all fascism (it's 1927, by this point it's what reactionaries are generally called) must be fought together by the left, old enmities forgotten. To this end, Zhang Guotao is reinstated as Special Plenipotentiary of the Military.
- Concentrate particularly efforts on increasing the production of rifles and ammunition, expanding industry to ensure that the likely mass expansion of the army will not result in too many men and too few weapons.
- Pass a national conscription law, with all men (with the usual exceptions) from 17 to 50 years old liable to be conscripted into the army as necessary for the war effort; women being used more in factory work as necessary to maintain production numbers. Members of United-Front militias are counted as volunteers, and not to be conscripted.
- Zhou Enlai should continue his efforts to gain aid and promote the Chinese cause; furthermore as representative he is told to ask the Soviets for Borodin to stay on for longer, or should that be impossible, for a suitable replacement to be sent.
- Warplan (Zhang Guotao):
Organize a defense-in-depth attritional war, attempting use superior mobility, attack the enemy's supplies, and encircle them; concentrating on the elimination of the enemy army while conserving the UF's one, though Canton and its approaches are to be defended.
Going to sleep now, but posting the base of this turns plan I'll write; happy to hear any other opinions and suggestions from other people/voters, though I won't be able to respond till tomorrow.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
If only you are more independent and less prone to explosives....
There is nothing against plans trading/helping each other. @Mortenkam (as PM) and I (as marshal) did twice in the past turns. On the flip side opposing plans will be very ugly as everyone can see each other's plans.
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
Hmm.
Time to reread and figure out what the hell my plans were, assuming I had any I particular.
Aside from "fuck the reactionaries" and "don't trust Stalin to support anything he doesn't expect to turn to his own or Russia's interests," but those are both just common sense.
EDIT: Still Cai Yunpei, to make that clear.
Time to reread and figure out what the hell my plans were, assuming I had any I particular.
Aside from "fuck the reactionaries" and "don't trust Stalin to support anything he doesn't expect to turn to his own or Russia's interests," but those are both just common sense.
EDIT: Still Cai Yunpei, to make that clear.
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- Location
- Denmark
Thanks for the trust, I will see if I cannot have something up tomorrow.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Peace or war, that is the question. Anyway the play is a draft, its up to the fellow players to decide how the next chapter begins.
[D] Zhang Xueliang
-[Option 1] Peace
--[] More soldiers through recruitment campaign. Cite good salary and benefits.
--[] Invest in enclaves infrastructures, build tall then wide.
--[] Expand the college(s), add medical branch with foreign hires.
--[] Encourage the industrialists to invest in the factories and produce more advance products. Radios, trains, and trucks will have very high demand.
--[] Roll out the procured and produced equipment to the military. More machine guns, field cannons, and radios.
--[] ???
-[Option 2] War
--[] More soldiers through drafting. Cite good salary through obedience.
--[] Launch attack against Wu and create a front.
--[] Dig trenches
--[] Propaganda campaign against Wu's leveraging of taxes. Launch flurries of letters to merchants industrialists about Wu's confiscation of private assets.
--[] Send out messages to various Qing-aligned leaders about standing against Wu, the person wishing to make himself a king. Suggest to them the risk of having their army being dwarfed by Wu.
--[] Fortifying the clique controlled area, the connection between enclaves comes first.
[D] Zhang Xueliang
-[Option 1] Peace
--[] More soldiers through recruitment campaign. Cite good salary and benefits.
--[] Invest in enclaves infrastructures, build tall then wide.
--[] Expand the college(s), add medical branch with foreign hires.
--[] Encourage the industrialists to invest in the factories and produce more advance products. Radios, trains, and trucks will have very high demand.
--[] Roll out the procured and produced equipment to the military. More machine guns, field cannons, and radios.
--[] ???
-[Option 2] War
--[] More soldiers through drafting. Cite good salary through obedience.
--[] Launch attack against Wu and create a front.
--[] Dig trenches
--[] Propaganda campaign against Wu's leveraging of taxes. Launch flurries of letters to merchants industrialists about Wu's confiscation of private assets.
--[] Send out messages to various Qing-aligned leaders about standing against Wu, the person wishing to make himself a king. Suggest to them the risk of having their army being dwarfed by Wu.
--[] Fortifying the clique controlled area, the connection between enclaves comes first.
- Location
- Vicksburg, MS
- [x] Zhang Zongchang: Han Warlord, former bandit, "Basest Warlord in China", and leader of the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo.
- [x] Plan: Crime Pays?
1. Hold a mass promotion ceremony, rewarding a mix of both those who have followed Zongchang through thick and thin and the driven competent types.
2. Offer cheap loans and mercenaries to Mongolian rebels, make the terms more attractive the more they commit to buying Japanese & Manchurian goods, services and resources.
3. Send the new Emperor of Japan a gift and host a Zongchang-style party to celebrate with the Japanese advisers, provide ample access to all the vices Manchukuo has to offer.
4. Set up smuggling rings to get the high-tariffed industrial goods from Qing areas north of Wu's Greater Zhili out to Manchukuo's transport & export networks.
5. Try to co-opt or muscle in on the underworld of northeastern Qing areas, promote opium use and all manner of other profitable vices fed by supply from Manchukuo.
6. Set aside sizable resources to support the development, production and integration of whatever experimental cars and especially trucks seem to work best in Manchukuo's conditions.
- [x] Plan: Crime Pays?
1. Hold a mass promotion ceremony, rewarding a mix of both those who have followed Zongchang through thick and thin and the driven competent types.
2. Offer cheap loans and mercenaries to Mongolian rebels, make the terms more attractive the more they commit to buying Japanese & Manchurian goods, services and resources.
3. Send the new Emperor of Japan a gift and host a Zongchang-style party to celebrate with the Japanese advisers, provide ample access to all the vices Manchukuo has to offer.
4. Set up smuggling rings to get the high-tariffed industrial goods from Qing areas north of Wu's Greater Zhili out to Manchukuo's transport & export networks.
5. Try to co-opt or muscle in on the underworld of northeastern Qing areas, promote opium use and all manner of other profitable vices fed by supply from Manchukuo.
6. Set aside sizable resources to support the development, production and integration of whatever experimental cars and especially trucks seem to work best in Manchukuo's conditions.
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VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Really? Now? Second Manchurian war can't come faster.
You might want to pick out a replacement of sort for the Russian expat. He was sorting out the supply side of war and you don't want to have another extremist take that spot. Also this law is kinda iffy for your government to enforce. Since you know, lack of a seat of government.
- Location
- Vicksburg, MS
Hey, why not? When the cat's away, the mice will play...
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
- Location
- Wherever I am, which isn't where I'm not
Okay, my current plan here.
[X] Cai Yuanpei
-[X] Plan Black Flag
1. Call our anarchist brethren from their Western exiles, in Britain, in France, in America, and elsewhere. The Chinese Revolution needs their aid and their expertise if it is to survive the reactionary onslaught. (Import anarchists from abroad, Paris in particular; emphasis on those who had practical experience implementing anarchism before the Freikorps/Horthy/Bolsheviks/etc. crushed them)
2. Bring the industrial syndicalists to the villages and towns of the countryside, and as much of their tools and machinery as can be evacuated with them from the cities the forces of statism and oppression seek to overrun. (In coordination with the H-KMT where not immediately threatened by K-KMT/Qing forces and unilaterally where under imminent threat, further disperse industry and associated urban working class so that the leftist factions don't lose the bulk of their production a third time after the disasters at Canton and Changsha, as well as to increase the wealth of the countryside and provide the tools to move beyond the enforced poverty of subsistence agriculture.)
3. With the first step done to secure their homes, the time has come for the rural councils to reach out and join hands with one another, linking arm in arm to stand against the foe. The roads must be improved and patrolled, the canals and levees rebuilt and reinforced, the dams and locks renewed after the neglect of a century of feckless aristocrats and heartless bandits forsaking the pretense of responsibility to shovel the wealth of China into their ravenous maws. (When they're not needed to farm or to fight, encourage the peasantry to improve infrastructure, especially transportation, sanitation and water supply/flood control. That's encourage, not "encourage"; also, suggest that if villages don't already have people who know how to properly build roads/dams/sewers/etc. they should request aid from other villages or from cities that do have those people, to try and avoid Great Leap Forward style disasters.)
4. So too must we stand arm-in-arm with the H-KMT and even the misguided backsliders of the CPC. Our differences may be substantial, and the lessons of Ukraine have not been forgotten, but in the face of the counter-revolutionary tide sweeping down on us even the Bolsheviks and their warped vision for the future are preferable to both the bourgeois capitalist dictatorship ruled by the bandits of the K-KMT and the feudal aristocracy wearing the threadbare skin of "Qing" as a cloak over rapacious greed and endless condescension. The anarchists will not abandon their comrades to conquest and slavery, no matter our disagreements with the specifics of their ideals. Particularly not our comrades in Sichuan and Hunan who suffer under rightist occupation, and whose liberation shall soon be at hand. (United Front with the other leftist factions at least until the present rightist threat is dealt with, although keeping in mind that the H-KMT may and the CPC will backstab us the instant they think they might benefit from it; no letting them bleed out the anarchists against the rightists to save their own forces and then sweeping in to crush us along with the K-KMT and Qing. Try to convince the anarchists in Canton not to start anything further with the other leftists while the United Front is a thing; obviously they can still respond if the H-KMT or CPC decides to attack them in spite of that. Also, liberate Sichuan and the occupied sections of Hunan from the rightist factions, trying to gain the assistance or at least acquiescence of the peasantry and the urban lower/working class in those regions)
5. To our brothers and sisters still under the Imperial or "Republican" yoke, we are not your enemy. We do not seek to replace the Analects with Das Kapital, the governors with commissars, the familiar white cat with a new black one that devours the urban and rural proletarian mice just as readily. We simply wish to show you the chains that your oppressors have bound you with, and the even more insidious ones they have manipulated you into clamping shut yourself. And the first and most immediate of those chains... is that they need you, where you do not need them. They need you to provide the produce of your fields, the manufactures of your workshops, the artworks from your inspirations, and your blood on their battlefields. They take your time, they take your strength, and when they have squeezed everything they can from you they discard you and turn to your children and grandchildren just as their grandparents used up your grandparents before turning towards your parents and yourselves. And taking from you everything, they give back nothing but the "satisfaction" that you have contributed to something "greater", in the form of their august personage. I tell you now, this is a lie, the first and the greatest lie of all, for no person is greater or lesser than any other. There are simply people, and the roles they choose to play in society. So I call upon you now to contemplate this truth, and when you have done so I ask you to act. Not to rise up, however, but to sit down. No more food to slake their hunger, no more goods to slake their greed, no more artworks to slake their desires, and no more soldiers to slake their bloodthirst. I call upon the masses of the north to strike, to retain the work of their farms and factories and fantasies for themselves and to exchange among each other as per their need, but to not deliver a single scrap to their so-called lords until either even those benighted souls acknowledge reality and seek genuine peace or until their comrades here in the south reach them and bring their liberation. (Encourage general strike against K-KMT and Qing among everyone who isn't in charge of the military/government/economy, to continue until either those factions are conquered or they come to us seeking terms; also encourage the spread of anarchist thought in general via supportive monks, itinerant workers, peasant family connections, and so forth to accompany the more overt propaganda. This last includes infiltrating the Qing attempts to expand their education and industrial programs, as well as their military expansion program.)
6. Last, but most certainly not least, we must continue the work we have begun to spread literacy to the masses and education to the youth. Furthermore, we must begin to train doctors as we have teachers, to bring vaccines and medicaments and modern techniques to the people as the same time as they bring the traditional medicines and ancient techniques under the discerning gaze of modern science. (Keep up the education/literacy campaigns we've been doing, add in a campaign to set up rural clinics and train doctors who can provide at least some level of medical care in places where there wasn't any. Don't automatically dispose of traditional Chinese medicine though, because that would just make the peasants less likely to accept modern medicine; instead apply the scientific method to TCM and see what parts of it actually work, what parts do nothing, and what parts are actively harmful, then encourage the first and discourage the third while ignoring the second so long as people do it alongside things that work (or at least only along with other harmless stuff if there aren't any treatments that work). People are more willing to accept you saying that their ancestors were wrong about something if you can simultaneously say that they were right about something. Also mass vaccination campaign wherever possible)
[X] Cai Yuanpei
-[X] Plan Black Flag
1. Call our anarchist brethren from their Western exiles, in Britain, in France, in America, and elsewhere. The Chinese Revolution needs their aid and their expertise if it is to survive the reactionary onslaught. (Import anarchists from abroad, Paris in particular; emphasis on those who had practical experience implementing anarchism before the Freikorps/Horthy/Bolsheviks/etc. crushed them)
2. Bring the industrial syndicalists to the villages and towns of the countryside, and as much of their tools and machinery as can be evacuated with them from the cities the forces of statism and oppression seek to overrun. (In coordination with the H-KMT where not immediately threatened by K-KMT/Qing forces and unilaterally where under imminent threat, further disperse industry and associated urban working class so that the leftist factions don't lose the bulk of their production a third time after the disasters at Canton and Changsha, as well as to increase the wealth of the countryside and provide the tools to move beyond the enforced poverty of subsistence agriculture.)
3. With the first step done to secure their homes, the time has come for the rural councils to reach out and join hands with one another, linking arm in arm to stand against the foe. The roads must be improved and patrolled, the canals and levees rebuilt and reinforced, the dams and locks renewed after the neglect of a century of feckless aristocrats and heartless bandits forsaking the pretense of responsibility to shovel the wealth of China into their ravenous maws. (When they're not needed to farm or to fight, encourage the peasantry to improve infrastructure, especially transportation, sanitation and water supply/flood control. That's encourage, not "encourage"; also, suggest that if villages don't already have people who know how to properly build roads/dams/sewers/etc. they should request aid from other villages or from cities that do have those people, to try and avoid Great Leap Forward style disasters.)
4. So too must we stand arm-in-arm with the H-KMT and even the misguided backsliders of the CPC. Our differences may be substantial, and the lessons of Ukraine have not been forgotten, but in the face of the counter-revolutionary tide sweeping down on us even the Bolsheviks and their warped vision for the future are preferable to both the bourgeois capitalist dictatorship ruled by the bandits of the K-KMT and the feudal aristocracy wearing the threadbare skin of "Qing" as a cloak over rapacious greed and endless condescension. The anarchists will not abandon their comrades to conquest and slavery, no matter our disagreements with the specifics of their ideals. Particularly not our comrades in Sichuan and Hunan who suffer under rightist occupation, and whose liberation shall soon be at hand. (United Front with the other leftist factions at least until the present rightist threat is dealt with, although keeping in mind that the H-KMT may and the CPC will backstab us the instant they think they might benefit from it; no letting them bleed out the anarchists against the rightists to save their own forces and then sweeping in to crush us along with the K-KMT and Qing. Try to convince the anarchists in Canton not to start anything further with the other leftists while the United Front is a thing; obviously they can still respond if the H-KMT or CPC decides to attack them in spite of that. Also, liberate Sichuan and the occupied sections of Hunan from the rightist factions, trying to gain the assistance or at least acquiescence of the peasantry and the urban lower/working class in those regions)
5. To our brothers and sisters still under the Imperial or "Republican" yoke, we are not your enemy. We do not seek to replace the Analects with Das Kapital, the governors with commissars, the familiar white cat with a new black one that devours the urban and rural proletarian mice just as readily. We simply wish to show you the chains that your oppressors have bound you with, and the even more insidious ones they have manipulated you into clamping shut yourself. And the first and most immediate of those chains... is that they need you, where you do not need them. They need you to provide the produce of your fields, the manufactures of your workshops, the artworks from your inspirations, and your blood on their battlefields. They take your time, they take your strength, and when they have squeezed everything they can from you they discard you and turn to your children and grandchildren just as their grandparents used up your grandparents before turning towards your parents and yourselves. And taking from you everything, they give back nothing but the "satisfaction" that you have contributed to something "greater", in the form of their august personage. I tell you now, this is a lie, the first and the greatest lie of all, for no person is greater or lesser than any other. There are simply people, and the roles they choose to play in society. So I call upon you now to contemplate this truth, and when you have done so I ask you to act. Not to rise up, however, but to sit down. No more food to slake their hunger, no more goods to slake their greed, no more artworks to slake their desires, and no more soldiers to slake their bloodthirst. I call upon the masses of the north to strike, to retain the work of their farms and factories and fantasies for themselves and to exchange among each other as per their need, but to not deliver a single scrap to their so-called lords until either even those benighted souls acknowledge reality and seek genuine peace or until their comrades here in the south reach them and bring their liberation. (Encourage general strike against K-KMT and Qing among everyone who isn't in charge of the military/government/economy, to continue until either those factions are conquered or they come to us seeking terms; also encourage the spread of anarchist thought in general via supportive monks, itinerant workers, peasant family connections, and so forth to accompany the more overt propaganda. This last includes infiltrating the Qing attempts to expand their education and industrial programs, as well as their military expansion program.)
6. Last, but most certainly not least, we must continue the work we have begun to spread literacy to the masses and education to the youth. Furthermore, we must begin to train doctors as we have teachers, to bring vaccines and medicaments and modern techniques to the people as the same time as they bring the traditional medicines and ancient techniques under the discerning gaze of modern science. (Keep up the education/literacy campaigns we've been doing, add in a campaign to set up rural clinics and train doctors who can provide at least some level of medical care in places where there wasn't any. Don't automatically dispose of traditional Chinese medicine though, because that would just make the peasants less likely to accept modern medicine; instead apply the scientific method to TCM and see what parts of it actually work, what parts do nothing, and what parts are actively harmful, then encourage the first and discourage the third while ignoring the second so long as people do it alongside things that work (or at least only along with other harmless stuff if there aren't any treatments that work). People are more willing to accept you saying that their ancestors were wrong about something if you can simultaneously say that they were right about something. Also mass vaccination campaign wherever possible)
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