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Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest

Should the world be a Low Fantasy setting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 63 70.0%

  • No

    Votes: 27 30.0%
  • Total voters
    90
  • Poll closed .
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For those advocating for not building the Temple I would like to point out this;

Priests (4) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Mystic, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: Free Innovation/???
Elders (3) = Mood: Pleased, Ability: Add half of their faction power to another faction, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Stability/-1 Stability
Warriors (5) = Mood: Satisfied, Ability: Add half of faction power to Martial, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: Free Innovation/-
Farmers (1 (2)) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Econ, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Temp Econ/-
Crafters (1) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Culture, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Temp Econ/-

By completing the Temple we get two free Innovations which, sense we already have copper and tin smelting, may well just get us bronze straight up and another point of stability on top of what we will get from completing it in and of itself.
 
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UlseDovThur said:
For those advocating for not building the Temple I would like to point out this;

Priests (4) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Mystic, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: Free Innovation/???
Elders (3) = Mood: Pleased, Ability: Add half of their faction power to another faction, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Stability/-1 Stability
Warriors (5) = Mood: Satisfied, Ability: Add half of faction power to Martial, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: Free Innovation/-
Farmers (1 (2)) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Econ, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Temp Econ/-
Crafters (1) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Culture, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Temp Econ/-

By completing the Temple we get two free Innovations which, sense we already have copper and tin smelting, may well just get us bronze straight up and another point of stability on top of what we will get from completing it in and of itself.
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Do we fix endemic social problems or do we let them fester in exchange for shinies? Gee, I wonder....
 
UlseDovThur said:
For those advocating for not building the Temple I would like to point out this;

Priests (4) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Mystic, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: Free Innovation/???
Elders (3) = Mood: Pleased, Ability: Add half of their faction power to another faction, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Stability/-1 Stability
Warriors (5) = Mood: Satisfied, Ability: Add half of faction power to Martial, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: Free Innovation/-
Farmers (1 (2)) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Econ, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Temp Econ/-
Crafters (1) = Mood: Happy, Ability: Add half of faction power to Culture, Objective: Build the Temple in 2 Turns, Success/Failure: +1 Temp Econ/-

By completing the Temple we get two free Innovations which, sense we already have copper and tin smelting, may well just get us bronze straight up and another point of stability on top of what we will get from completing it in and of itself.
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Consider the narrative, not just the mechanics.

We're dealing with a crisis of faith, specifically a religious schism created by a conflict between the elder Goddess (in favor of equality) and some younger Goddesses (in favor of an elite royal family). One of those younger Goddesses is the military one, the other is the Goddess of stories(priests tell myths). Thus, I conclude that both innovations will be related to enforcing the status quo desired by the relative Goddesses. So, not bronze or stuff like that, but perhaps rather the invention of genealogies for blood purity tracking as well as an elite royal guard.

Stability meanwhile means reinforcing the system, aka locking in on the Heriditary Monarchy.
 
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Random Member said:
We don't know whether we'll lose Legitimacy from not building the Temple, all we know for sure is that we'll lose 1 Stability and 2/3 Stability isn't enough to lead to a leadership change. And I already know what's going to happen in the future. The next time something like this happens or an opportunity presents itself, people will make the exact same arguments as you're making right now. They won't want to sacrifice their stability (and all their shinies) for a mere chance that our problem might get fixed and we'll just keep muddling through until it's unfixable.

I also find it funny that you advocate for not building the Temple while voting for actually building it....
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except ya know, I'm not voting for it. I did originally, and then edited my vote. Before you posted this mind.

Yeah, I know we don't know, I specifically mentioned that I had been wrong about that. Still its guaranteed stability loss, without destroying our civ. Endemic social problems are not solved by catastrophes.
 
Frankite316 said:
Rushing temple both fixes social problems and gets the shinies, and since there is literally no threats to us currently we can afford to do this.
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Only if you ignore the narrative.

Building the Temple will resolve the social issue by letting the Hereditary Monarchy win, overriding and perhaps literally brainwashing our Main Goddess.

Oh, and btw.

Oshha said:
Right now, I'm thinking that Elective Monarchist vs Heredity Monarchist would be the main crisis if one happens.

However, there is no guarantee a crisis will happen yet as the vote is open and I haven't made any rolls for the Mid-Turn yet.
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This is a crisis. There'll no good and trivial solution.
 
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Frankite316 said:
Rushing temple both fixes social problems and gets the shinies, and since there is literally no threats to us currently we can afford to do this.
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???

Okay, what is it? Is it a terrible idea that'll cause us to collapse because we can't afford the Econ and it'll cause mass starvation, or can we afford it no problem? Because it can't be both.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Consider the narrative, not just the mechanics.

We're dealing with a crisis of faith, specifically a religious schism created by a conflict between the elder Goddess (in favor of equality) and some younger Goddesses (in favor of an elite royal family). One of those younger Goddesses is the military one, the other is the Goddess of stories(priests tell myths). Thus, I conclude that both innovations will be related to enforcing the status quo desired by the relative Goddesses. So, not bronze or stuff like that, but perhaps rather the invention of genealogies for blood purity tracking as well as an elite royal guard.

Stability meanwhile means reinforcing the system, aka locking in on the Heriditary Monarchy.
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Are we though? The factions all seem rather happy and content for the people of a highly religious nation going through a crisis of faith. Maybe you should calm down, stop assuming, and wait until next turn to see if there is, in fact, a crisis.
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Kiba said:
The factions are now all terrified.
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And yet they are listed as happy, pleased, and satisfied. So while you all continue to fear monger I will be sitting back and waiting patiently to see if there is actually an issue at all.
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UlseDovThur said:
And yet they are listed as happy, pleased, and satisfied. So while you all continue to fear monger I will be sitting back and waiting patiently to see if there is actually an issue at all.
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I recommend checking the list since I updated their moods after I forgot to when I posted the update.
 
UlseDovThur said:
And yet they are listed as happy, pleased, and satisfied. So while you all continue to fear monger I will be sitting back and waiting patiently to see if there is actually an issue at all.
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No, they're terrified. The GM forgot to update that bit of the stats.

It's fixed now.

Also, 2 Gods conspiring against the absolute statement of a third is a crisis of faith. We're not the Greek pantheon, where Gods backstab each other for fun.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
"Everyone is equal, I'm not better than you. . . just stronger."
*God of chaos and light is taking notes*
All things told, everyone is surprisingly happy to be receiving divine judgement.
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To be clear, its everyone is Born Equal. Not everyone is equal. Your choices define you, not your birth. One person can still be the greatest of the people, but their children aren't guaranteed to be.

Heck if I recall correctly at least 2 of our greatest heroes came from people outside of our culture, that got Blessed in.
 
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Hmm, in that case, not building the Temple could work as well. I still prefer my plan but beggars can't be choosers, I suppose.

Alright, pushing for Sacred Forest now!
 
Knight Draco said:
Fixed, changed vote on the basis that random is no longer for main temple.
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I feel like I should let you know that I'm still voting for it. I just won't argue for it as hard as not building the Temple anymore.

Also, good to know. So if I ever told you that shooting off your own foot is a bad idea, what would you do? :drevil:
 
Oshha said:
I have fixed that now.
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If you keep forgetting things like that, I recommend building a checklist.

I used a checklist in my car which works wonder for making sure that I don't forget essential stuff before leaving my house, though I do keep forgetting to check my car checklist from time to time.

It's also what pilots do. They have a preflight checklist which is part of the reason why air travel is so safe right now.
 
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