yeah, statistically we are bound to end up with better heroes just from having more people. Even if the monarchs have a slight edge over the average, the sheer number of people means that there are bound to be outliers that are better than them.
Chronicles of Nations - Civ Quest
- Thread starter Oshha
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Except there is no proof that it'll work as intended, and it will cause massive negatives towards the people, as well as losing innovations. I'd rather keep the monarchy then lose innovations.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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>imagine discussing things with the commies
>imagine discussing things with the same commie who talked shut about cat goddess
Rookie mistake.
>imagine discussing things with the same commie who talked shut about cat goddess
Rookie mistake.
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Quod erat demonstrandum, thus it has been demonstrated....
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The problem is that the game mechanics themselves ensure that heros are almost always the best option. And if you end up competing with someone with a hero and you don't have one you're going to be having a bad time. In addition to that I hope we keep the monarchy if for nothing else than to spite the people calling to intentionally starve our own people.
Random Member
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Narrative > mechanics. You'd think people would pick this up after a while....
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Hey, I can create a scary scenario too.
Not resolving this issue will result in
- Losing the Born Equal value ( near 100% chance)
- Losing or Corruption of the Communal Mandate value (high probability)
- Creating social stratification, inbreeding and eugenics (high probability)
Upsetting our main god will result in :
- Losing most of our magical innovations
- Losing the blessing
- Transfering main Godess control to our Propaganda godess, or to a Godess twisted to execute her goals
Don't just look at the negatives of stopping the Monarchy, also consider the negatives of your own decision.
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Yeah, my idea was to not do the temple at all. Let the people get pissed at the Cadlon for not honoring the very pissed off goddess. Still get stability/legitimacy hits, don't starve the people. Also, its not a "scary scenario" its literally what happens when you go negative econ. The whole point of Random's plan is to bungle the job of rulership so badly that large portions of the people starve to death. We are at 7 temp econ. We'd be at -5 temp econ if we went full Temples. That's absurdly bad. its nearly half our permanent econ in the negative! We'd lose so much from it. Its just not worth it. Even if it successfully gets the completely desperate people to go after the target Random wants them to go after. But desperate people are not rational people.
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Only to the extent that it doesn't break the game.
Knight Draco
Tea Sipping Advocate of the Devil
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- North America
I know that it wasn't the point, but that last one gives a chance of cat goddess being in charge and frankly I agree with that.
Also Oshha said we'd need fascism to make cat girls so I am very much for eugenics.
If we get rid of born equal and put cat girls on the top, our nation will strive to get more of them
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The narrative behind your plan is "Rulers are so scared of the Goddesses that they force the people to build temples instead of getting food, causing the deaths of massive portions of the people, entire villages starving, causing the people to rise up and overthrow their oppressors." Or at least, that's my best understanding of your intent. I could be wrong, please tell me if I am.
I don't think losing about half our population (guess admittedly, based on the negative temp econ being about half our permanent econ), innovations (which are a confirmed thing that can be lost by having negative econ), and pissing off Arthryn even more as the leadership doesn't act in the best interests of the people, is the best plan to get rid of the monarchy. There is no way to know how the People will react, how the Monarchs will react to the famine, how the pantheon as a whole will react, or whether we'll get a bunch of aid sent to us from our vassals fixing the econ issue on its own, and keeping us from having any issues. We don't have enough info as to how the people will react to things to make this work. Especially with a goddess of propaganda on the side of the monarchy.
Oh, and the entirety of the people are wanting that Temple built as soon as possible. So they may even think the famine is worth it for the progress! We Don't Know!
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Well, if that's the case, the monarchy can never fuck up, atleast not in such a way that it'll cause people to actually be angry at them. I mean, we'll never be sure then how anyone will react and the goddess of propaganda will still be on the monarchy's side, so....
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Right. I confused perm and Temp again. That makes the starvation quite a bit worse.
We had it before, I believe.
Edit: Apparently not.
Yeah, we can't be sure, so doing something blatantly destructive to our civ in order to try and do something isn't the best way of doing it. We KNOW that lowering stability and legitimacy can lead to changes in leadership. We know we can cause those losses by not building the temple at all. So, just don't build the temple, lower our stability and legitimacy and don't murder half the population.
correction, it'll for sure decrease stability, likely legitimacy, but we don't know that.
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10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
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Yeah, Random's planned starvation is massive, to the point where it may shatter the civ entirely.
A better plan may be to combine a Secundary Temple construction with a small econ consuming action. Venerate the Godess, for example. Normally, that action boosts legitimacy, but if it causes starvation, it should be seen as the King trying to spend food to glorify himself at his people's cost.
That said, the entire discussion is probably pointless, because the bandwagon is gone, and there's only like 5 of us who're actually involved in the discussion.
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We don't know whether we'll lose Legitimacy from not building the Temple, all we know for sure is that we'll lose 1 Stability and 2/3 Stability isn't enough to lead to a leadership change. And I already know what's going to happen in the future. The next time something like this happens or an opportunity presents itself, people will make the exact same arguments as you're making right now. They won't want to sacrifice their stability (and all their shinies) for a mere chance that our problem might get fixed and we'll just keep muddling through until it's unfixable.
I also find it funny that you advocate for not building the Temple while voting for actually building it....
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We currently have no problems to deal with, might as well force societal pressure.
We currently have no problems to deal with, might as well force societal pressure.
- Location
- Southampton, Great Britain
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New magic. Basically temporarily turning your skin (and not the whole body like with Bronwyn) to stone to get better durability. It has limits in the form that it can only be maintained for so long and it slows you down.